Camilla Meeting Gisèle Pelicot

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I'm quite taken aback by the this. The timing just in the middle of AMW sordid developments is particularly bad.

Ms Pelicot should not be anyone's poster woman for virtue signalling support to female victims of SA.

Camilla saying she read her book in the last two days, couldn't put it down and her 'case' shocked her is pretty sickening considering what's been going on under their noses.

This should never be a PR exercise.

I think I'm officially done with the RF now. Permanently tone-deaf and worlds away from the reality.

news.sky.com/story/queen-meets-gisele-pelicot-and-praises-rape-survivors-extraordinary-dignity-13511258

I think it’s great timing. Even if it was inadvertent.

GP is in the middle of a book publicity tour. Why the hell should she rearrange something just because bloody AMW is finally a scumbag with something pinnable on him.

’Hi GP, It’s Queenie C here. The menz have all done something immeasurably horrific again, would you mind lots rearranging your life around it?’

I think not. Women should get on with doing whatever the fuck it is they feel like doing and have arranged to do. To cancel would have been the complete opposite of what you suggest; changing a valuable and public meeting to try and assuage some public outrage… outrage caused by MEN’S ACTIONS.

GP, though incredibly brave, is a victim. Queen C, rumoured to be a victim. Epstein/AMW’s targets, definitely victims.

Let’s keep the reason these actions of men are all so abhorrent clearly in our view, where many of them have bravely asked to be: THE VICTIMS.

Yeah, i think op has this the wrong way round.

The timing of this will be due to Gisele’s book launch not Andrew’s arrest. It would have been wrong for Camilla to cancel.

Good on Camilla, the more people who support the rights and care of women and children the better.

Team QC here. OP I think you’re way off. I think this is the first time I’ve bothered to post on a RF thread.

A few years ago, I accidently heard Camilla and Diana Parks on womens hour. That interview changed my opinion of QC. QC clearly wants to shine a light on the the brave victims of domestic violance who wish to share their stories, and I applaud her for her efforts.

I 💯agree.
It comes across as a rather crass PR exercise in light of the JE revelations.
It could easily have taken place in private.

I think many have explained, clearly and often eloquently, why this is in fact very good timing.

Of the remainder, most of those who had no comment about the timing aspect, have agreed that at least it would have been a bad idea to move the date, given GP's very busy agenda, and that a private meeting would have been a lot less useful for GP's purposes and also for the cause.

I agree with every word of this ^^

I saw the BBC interview with GP and I found it particularly moving when she explained how she couldn’t have faced coming forward if she had been any younger, but she had the strength in her 70s to do it and survive everyone’s judgements. And survive the ultimate betrayal and crimes perpetrated and organised by her ex husband. An incredible woman.

I’m not sure it was the most tactful move by Camilla to make her meeting with GP so public as she is part of an institution that appears to have covered up AMW’s alleged abuse of young vulnerable women for years.

When you are promoting your book not much point having a meeting in private

It’s a long organised meeting as part of GP’s book tour - a private meeting doesn’t exactly do much to help promote her book

Quite right.

I’m not sure it was the most tactful move by Camilla to make her meeting with GP so public as she is part of an institution that appears to have covered up AMW’s alleged abuse of young vulnerable women for years

There’s no evidence that Camilla covered up anything and if ‘the institution’ she is part of did, then she needs to set about changing it. Perhaps by, I don’t know, using her position to give victims a voice? By supporting their books, for example?

So QC cares deeply about victims does she? Pity she didn't stick her neck out when old Queenie was stumping up £12 million to silence a trafficked woman then.

Agree 100% - and her own husband allegedly found £4million from their joint account to contribute - to silence the then teenager sex trafficked and repeatedly raped by her BIL.

Looks like QC PR team are at there desks this morning and have swooped down on this thread to ensure that any random thoughts about her hypocrisy in when and why she took an interest in VAWG - IMHO strategic communications programming fig leaf cause - she made one early visit to a rape crisis centre in Ealing whilst her own BIL and neices had continued to be deeply involved with a convicted sex trafficker of teenagers for prostitution.

She then ramped up her visibility overnight in 2016/17 when Virginia G first publicly accused AMW.

As PP has said - charities are inadvertently used to hide / distract in plain site / used politically for reputation management.

There is no accident with these timings and this approach. The BRF communications efforts are vast, strategic and self serving. Every action is to around maximising their brand / reputation - enhancing it, maintaining it or in this case damage limitation.

I really hope that laws will change to make us all accountable for safeguarding - there will always be prolific evil predatory monsters in this world who never stop of their own accord - they use grooming not just of victims but also bystanders and systems and institutions to hide and operate in plain site. Too many people are scared to speak up, worried about their jobs etc so turn the other way. I think there should be a carrot and a stick legally for bystanders who are directly / indirectly / inadvertently enabling to be both compelled and supported to speak out.

The internet has amplified and escalated VAWG. In the old days a random wrong ‘un with such drives was mostly acting alone of course there was some ‘ring’ organisation around institutions - but now any depraved individual can now connect online to meet their deep needs so the access and scale has skyrocketed.

Absolutely agree.

Agree with this.
Also why blame a woman for AMW’s behaviour ? It is not the Queen’s fault, it’s on him.

Indeed, and they aren’t ‘sexy’ charities, are they??

Celebrities don’t pop up on game shows to donate money to charities like those.

Who was it who said: can you go away and be tragic somewhere else, please?’

It’s a bit like that.

Camilla wrote to her ages ago, 2024 I think and has campaigned for domestic and sexual abuse victims for decades.

Yes it is.

Her brother in law is neck deep in unsavoury business with Jeffrey Epstein and has been for many years. Please do not tell me it's acceptable for Camilla or anyone else from that family to support victims of SA because it cannot be considered genuine, at any level. The hypocrisy is astounding.

My comment is not distasteful. Years of total hypocrisy of some, are, and your support of that.

My heart bleeds.

Per Sky News, quote:

"When the two women spoke for 30 minutes over tea at Clarence House, Camilla said about the memoir: "I read it in the last two days, I couldn't put it down."

it is a shame imo that Camilla isn't more honest about the men in the R F, mainly her BIL, but her current husband was no angel.

You expect the queen to stick her head above the parapet and start a campaign against the men in the Royal Family? Seriously?!! Surely you realise that this would be completely inappropriate.

Members of the RF never comment on political events or take sides. They are supposed to remain neutral.

But this is where the discomfort lies - if a person in a position of influence and power is selective in how they side with victims of SA, it can raise questions why and questions about their behaviour, whether it's genuine or is it, perhaps, self-serving.

Choosing to support a certain cause can be political, religious or otherwise depending on the circumstances. Inherently, it does mean expressing a certain view, it's not a neutral act.

I want to be clear, I fully support GP. I also support anyone who genuinely works to help SA victims. I wish such support was available to me when I was assaulted as a young girl.

I suppose the point I'm making is, if you stand for a certain cause, your overall conduct needs to align with it.

I can't understand ignoring questions about the Epstein victims in a situation where Prince Edward recently commented, and then meeting GP not long after and making comments referred to in the Sky News article. It's inconsistent and at this time, somewhat jarring. It's not about acknowledging AMW's acts in this context - he is not charged with any SA at present. We don't know how much BRF knew exactly about his conduct either. But they have known for at least several years that there have been victims of trafficking at SA at the hands of Epstein/Maxwell. That Epstein was far too close to the Royal household via AMW connection. Are the Epstein victims second category victims to GP? Less important, not worth the acknowledgement or support? Or what is the reason? The recent release of the Epstein files includes some concerning information. Those victims are real people, they exist and there are many of them. I'd have thought the queen would have been the first person to condemn any forms of abuse and abhorrent behaviour in such a public case, especially one which hits close to home.

Regardless of who did or did not commit what - my opinion is that clear condemnation and strong messages of support should've been issued at least few years ago and continued since because she stands by the cause, indeed. I can understand perhaps she may be prevented from meeting the Epstein victims now, but not enough has been done since the trafficking and SA have come to light. This really isn't about when the letter or meeting with GP may have been arranged, it's about the lack of consistency because at that time the existence of the Epstein victims was known.

I think Camilla is a strong woman, undoubtedly. I don't disagree in principle with highlighting the right causes, and I understand she did not start doing so in the last few weeks. Everybody can hold an opinion, I am struggling to reconcile all this.