Camilla Meeting Gisèle Pelicot

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I'm quite taken aback by the this. The timing just in the middle of AMW sordid developments is particularly bad.

Ms Pelicot should not be anyone's poster woman for virtue signalling support to female victims of SA.

Camilla saying she read her book in the last two days, couldn't put it down and her 'case' shocked her is pretty sickening considering what's been going on under their noses.

This should never be a PR exercise.

I think I'm officially done with the RF now. Permanently tone-deaf and worlds away from the reality.

news.sky.com/story/queen-meets-gisele-pelicot-and-praises-rape-survivors-extraordinary-dignity-13511258

Honestly you sound a bit unhinged op. Not everything in the world revolves around Andrew and I hate to see people trying to somehow blame a woman indirectly for a man's actions . So tiring . Somehow trying to make it her fault in some way.

Charming - only on MN would a person who experienced SA assault be called 'unhinged' for expressing an opinion that offering selective support to victims of SA in a position of power can cause discomfort in current circumstances. Thanks for that. The royals board for you, I should've expected this, I guess.

Actually I think anyone from this family coming out in support of vistims of sexual abuse are speaking VOLUMES about what they think of Andrew.

And support is always selective if personalised. She can't personally go and support every victim of SA neither should that preclude her from offering personal support to an individual.

I agree. I still don't understand lack of comment in relation to the victims of Jeffrey Epstein though.

I can also understand your other point. My view is, however, that it would speak volumes if the support had been consistent. At present it looks like ignoring a large group of victims for a long time. Victims that do need a voice and support exactly from women in the position of power. They were silenced for many years.

It's really ok to disagree without throwing personal insults like some posters on this thread (not you of course, I don't mean this towards you, but as a general comment), it's a debate not a boxing match.

Why do you think she specifically needs to support the victims of Epstein though as compared to any other victims? AMW has not been arrested for any type of sexual abuse and it would therefore be completely wrong of anyone, especially the Queen, to suggest that he had.

Although Giselle Pelicot is the only person she has specifically supported, she and the king put out an official statement saying they supported the victims of all forms of abuse, surely that covers all the Epstein victims too?

I thought it was awful too OP. There is nothing they won’t exploit.

I would say that considering she has indeed supported victims of SA/DA for years it is odd not to come out clearly and unequivocally in their support. The statement you refer to is very generic. Like I said, AMW is not charged with SA. But he has documented very close links to Epstein and Maxwell who were very close to the Palace through this connection. It is in my view appropriate to come out with clear support, especially knowing there're planned meetings with other victims.

Given that any case against AMW will be Rex (KCIII) vs AMW, and rules around not prejudicing cases QC needs to tread a very careful line. How would you feel if QC publicly tore shreds off AMW and as a result a prosecution could not proceed?

QC showing such public support for GP, and other victims over a long period of time is a very public display of where her sympathies lie without undermining any prosecutions.

Whatever about the rights or wrongs of the meeting, I have to say that the thread mentions "Camilla" throughout. That kind of familiarity about the Queen would never have happened in QE2s time. Is it a measure of lack of recognition of her status as Queen or what?

Gisele Pelicot is absolutely amazing. If this meeting with Camilla (see...) helps her book sales go through the stratosphere, I'm all for it. It's about GP not C and I hope she makes millions from it.

But this is not what I asked. She doesn't need to tore AMW down, she can condemn SA and express clear support to the Epstein victims though. This hasn't been done AFAIK. Please don't make the victims suffering less important than AMW, he is not the focus. My point is, why aren't they?

Not really, no. Have you not seen/read over the years references to "Di" or "Fergie"? This may be disrespectful. Camilla is her name. It's like suggesting anyone referring to Charles or William is disrespectful. It is not the case, they are not always referred to by their title. Do you pull people up on talking about "Harry" and "Meghan" too? This must be hard work.

Haven’t RTFT but have read some and all your comments OP. You are misunderstanding a few things. Camilla read the book over the past two days because it was only published here for the first time this week. (Hence the book tour).

She is widely known to have supported women’s charities working with VAWG for her time in the public eye.

Camilla and KC have already released numerous statements expressing empathy with the victims of Epstein.

Regarding AMW they will have been advised not to say anymore in order to protect the chances of a fair criminal and judicial process should that happen.

I agree, it smells of Palace spin. Positioning the royals as feminists to offset Andrew’s antics.

Camilla and KC have already released numerous statements expressing empathy with the victims of Epstein.

There was one very restricted, generic statement AFAIK, and only made recently, whereas this has been a known issue for several years.

You are just lying now …. neither have released numerous statements expressing concern for the victims of Epstein!!!!

KC3 has only ever released one statement - and only last week - and only when his brother was arrested - despite a decade of accusations from VG when his mother and allegedly KC3 himself stumped up £12m between them to silence the teenage trafficked victim raped multiple times by his brother - to express his profound concern (not clear who for) and his thoughts were with the victims of all kinds of abuse including Epstein.

Make no mistake this belated statement was 100% self serving.

It’s also my belief that QCs efforts in this are an intentional monarchy saving communications strategy fig leaf / hand washing exercise as her timing can be closely tracked to public attention on AMW activities surfacing in the media over the past 15 years.

I want justice for the victims and nothing that would interfere with justice. QC, along with other members of the RF, are in an unenviable position of every word being reported and, as PW found out, of having their words manipulated by the press to mean something completely different.

Sometimes an act can be as powerful as words. QCs longstanding support for victims along with meeting GP is a clear message of where she stands.

Sadly I don’t think the victims will get justice. Not because of what QC does or doesn’t say, but because of structural misogyny within organisations in both the US and UK.

There has been more than one statement.
This one was made in October 25.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0qp75z3dw4o

Maybe the victims would get justice if QC spoke up about she has known about her BIL from when his depravity was high lighted publicly or what she knew before.

I agree with that @Kirschcherries. It honestly upsets me these women will never have any sense of justice after what they've been through. It's incomprehensible Epstein was not only permitted, but supported by his affiliates in building such a network centred on SA, seemingly for their own pleasure and satisfaction. It makes me want to throw up. The same way as GP's former husband and the men he invited to abuse her. He thought he had power over her. They all objectify women. What is wrong with these people, what happens in their minds. I really think we all have to be calling this out.

This is the statement I referred to. Another one was on AMW's arrest, not on Epstein victims.

But you said this:

KC3 has only ever released one statement - and only last week - and only when his brother was arrested.

Am I missing something?

Look - if they completely withdrew the statement issued in 2019 about AMW denying he had ever met Virginia Roberts that would be more meaningful than all the platitudes about ‘the victims’.

Sorry - that should've said KC only released one statement (meaning in relation to victims of abuse, albeit not specifically the Epstein victims).

Another statement was only last week and only when his brother was arrested. But that's got nothing to do with victims of abuse.

Technically there were no statements at all regarding the Epstein victims specifically from C&C.

Compromising a fair trial.