Andrew - continuing his effort to end the Monarchy Part 3

[simpsonthecat]

Here we are

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Interesting article by Liz Jones in the DM now. It reads as if its written by some of the more sceptical of us on this thread. I don't know if she was pro or anti-RF up to now, but today, it's markedly unfriendly and sounds as fed up as I am with Catherine and William wafting along, from one glam event to another, as always, doing their duty.

@damsello I had to laugh at your plague comment

@NoDrums
It’s behind a paywall
Is there an archive link for it?

Ch 4 are interviewing a lawyer who is saying that there are quite a package of things that the crown would have to prove, and that it would be a big ask to pull together the necessary evidence. This applies to both arrested people. So that is making me think that it may all go nowhere, having led us all is the garden path.

Of course it won’t go anywhere. It’s just a going through the motions exercise.

@MidWayThruJanuary here you go.

Hope it works. If not, I'll try another method.

https://archive.ph/WrOFQ

I fear this is where it will all lead to. No consequences and AMW and his ilk feeling strengthened.

Yeah - carte blanche for wealthy and influential men, no consequences.

I think half the trouble or most of the trouble with TLQ wasn't that she was just a product of her generation she spent the majority of her time with Grandad King George V & Granny Queen Mary, both products of the two previous generations prior as both KG/QM were born in the 1860s.
Royalty was still god like then.

That must have rubbed off on TLQ & I don't think she was equipped to deal with how society was changing.

Even now the RF are half stuck in the Edwardian mindset. They don't have a divine right to rule, they're only King/Queen because 1200yrs or earlier their ancestors family/tribe/group beat up all the other families/tribes/groups to become top dog.
It could have been any other family/
that conquered & subjugated the masses if history had played out differently.

Plus I don't think it helped that TLQ was so young when she became Queen. If her father George VI had lived longer I think we would have seen a totally different kind of TLQ & RF,a better one, more with the times.

Another thing wrong with the RF is the abhorrent fear of abdication, which I do understand after the shenanigans of Edward VIII.

Yet it is rather ridiculous that we end having a monarch still doing the job whilst in her 90s & ill health. A more sensible solution would be to have a retirement age of say 75 for the monarch & allow the younger generation to get the top job earlier.

Would the RF be in the situation they're in with AMW if TLQ had retired in 2001 & C3 had become King then?
Would AMW's behaviour had been kicked to the kerb earlier?

However you can't blame everything on the RF as other players in the Establishment are just as & even more complicit and I also think Andrew/Mandy are being used to shield others. All those involved must be bought to justice not just those odious two.

QEII had governesses didn’t she? Didn’t go to a school or university.

Met Philip at 13, he was a pen pal, married him young(ish), babies, became monarch in her twenties, red boxes constantly flowing, prime ministers every week. Mountbatten around a lot to ‘help’ train Charles, Andrew and Edward. Margaret morphing into Liz Taylor and QEII’s mother leading the obsession with Dubonnet and horses.

Money and houses and lands and staff just … there. Staff to manage the staff. Houses for the staff who manage the lands. Money for the family. Houses all round.

It’s a very odd set-up.

In 2001 Charles was still overshadowed by Diana's death. I'm not sure his marriage to Camilla would have been possible without his mother's acceptance of it either.

He needed the extra time to become more accepted by the public.

Threw hissy fits at having his toys mis arranged, but also used to climb onto the roof to tinker with the TV aerial???

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/andrew-punched-royal-footman-late-36759626

I disagree personally about the Queen being behind the times and stuck in the past. I saw her as a comforting “bridge” between yesteryear and the modern era. I always felt that was a big part of her appeal.

Add to the above comments the fact marriage to "unsuitable" partners was banned. I wonder how recent history would have been changed if Margaret had been allowed to marry Townsend, also Charles and Camilla,

It's also possible AMW might not be in his current situation if he'd been allowed to marry Koo Stark.

Does AMW have to pay tax? Surely if there were payments of millions zipping in and out of his bank accounts they'd be classed as taxable income? (Ex accountant here!)
Even if the royal family are exempt from tax, and I don't actually know, SF isn't, and IIRC did she have a problem with unpaid tax? Am I remembering correctly?

The level of depravity alleged in an FBI report is psychopathic www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/andrew-accused-watching-girl-tortured-36746315

🙄 what would Koo Stark bring to the party?

AMW had according to Lownie slept with 11 women in the 1st year of his marriage.

Koo Stark wouldn't have been able to deter that

That was exactly what I was going to post Lalgarh. The whole dashing Prince thing went to his head. I could almost see it unfolding when he got off his naval ship with a rose between his teeth. I thought what a twat.
He has always been an entitled sleaze, no way would he have been faithful whoever he married.

The reason 'unsuitable partners' were banned was because Royals are supposed to be special.

I actually think that Catherine is better at the job of being Royal than most of the Royals, (looks good at glamorous occasions, can do the outward bound sporty stuff, has a nice smile and a good head tilt) but once you start acknowledging that the daughter of an air hostess can do the job better than the son of a Queen, you start raising questions about the point of the family.

good point @nicepotoftea , Catherine shows that you don’t need to be born into it, you can learn the job if you’re the right person for it.
I like William and Catherine, not a fan of Charles and Camilla.
The last year or so has really made me question the relevance and point of the RF.

The daughter of an air hostess? Wow! Really?

Surely everyone knows that?

Some would say his whole life has been a car crash

Yes of course. My comment relates to the tone behind that as if it is something to be ashamed of. It sounds like quite a classist statement.

I know The Crown is fiction, but the depiction of the treatment of Margaret and her not being allowed to marry her true love really bloody annoyed me. No wonder she was unhappy and wallowed.

I absolutely blamed Charles and Camilla for their marital shenanigans around Diana and what that did to her, but being older and wiser now I can also understand that they were kept apart by all the stupid rules.

Basically the whole royal thing needs to stop. It’s the 21st Century.

I seem to recall that Wills and Kate split up for a while, something to do with him not being sure she would be willing to take on all the associated duties shizzle, then they got back together and obviously thrashed it out. So he was more aware of the effect of The Firm on people, whereas his father’s generation truly seem to believe in and subscribe to the entitlement and life which comes with it.