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Andrew - continuing his effort to end the Monarchy Part 3

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simpsonthecat · 21/02/2026 19:39

Here we are

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iwouldshagtomhardy · 22/02/2026 16:13

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PumpkinPieAlibi · 22/02/2026 16:46

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YOU have clearly missed the mark as nowhere have I called your precious RF racist. I said anti-colonial sentiment was prevalent in the Commonwealth, which it is.

Additionally, I said 'and many people here found her easier to relate to' so your comment that I said nothing about her being relatable is a lie.

And stop with the splitting hairs about what country she is from. The commonwealth is varied and my comment was a clear generalisation. It is an indisputable fact that Meghan's ethnic makeup is more closely aligned with the citizens of the former colonies, than the RF. That is a fact. At least in my country and neighboring islands with a similar past, rightly or wrongly, people feel that makes her more relatable.

I mean, this is the problem with royalists. Imagine, I am trying to tell you as a citizen of a former colony how people here see your monarchy and how as a person of colour, race plays into the image and perceptions of the RF, in the larger context of the relevance of the monarchy and you choose to call me racist by being deliberately disingenuous and telling me how my own people see things.

iwouldshagtomhardy · 22/02/2026 16:55

PumpkinPieAlibi · 22/02/2026 16:46

YOU have clearly missed the mark as nowhere have I called your precious RF racist. I said anti-colonial sentiment was prevalent in the Commonwealth, which it is.

Additionally, I said 'and many people here found her easier to relate to' so your comment that I said nothing about her being relatable is a lie.

And stop with the splitting hairs about what country she is from. The commonwealth is varied and my comment was a clear generalisation. It is an indisputable fact that Meghan's ethnic makeup is more closely aligned with the citizens of the former colonies, than the RF. That is a fact. At least in my country and neighboring islands with a similar past, rightly or wrongly, people feel that makes her more relatable.

I mean, this is the problem with royalists. Imagine, I am trying to tell you as a citizen of a former colony how people here see your monarchy and how as a person of colour, race plays into the image and perceptions of the RF, in the larger context of the relevance of the monarchy and you choose to call me racist by being deliberately disingenuous and telling me how my own people see things.

You can stop with making assumptions about me to start with.

It's still sad that you reduce this to appearances and yes still shocking. She is relatable because her skin is a certain colour yet may have no other similarities to you as regards upbringing, education, DNA etc . Wow! Imagine if a white person were to say " well Moana you should relate to Latasha because you look similar" 😳😳 unbelievable....

As for "telling me how I view my own people"? Well you're quite the expert in doing that 😂😂

DancingFerret · 22/02/2026 16:56

Libby Purves on AMW: She's right, I think, that if he hadn't been so indulged and arrogant he would have had an easy life in the shires, instead of in the sh1t as he is today.

https://archive.ph/RmWCl

PumpkinPieAlibi · 22/02/2026 16:58

iwouldshagtomhardy · 22/02/2026 16:55

You can stop with making assumptions about me to start with.

It's still sad that you reduce this to appearances and yes still shocking. She is relatable because her skin is a certain colour yet may have no other similarities to you as regards upbringing, education, DNA etc . Wow! Imagine if a white person were to say " well Moana you should relate to Latasha because you look similar" 😳😳 unbelievable....

As for "telling me how I view my own people"? Well you're quite the expert in doing that 😂😂

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You got me. I'm racist.

Thanks!

Puzzledandpissedoff · 22/02/2026 18:18

nicepotoftea · 22/02/2026 13:59

If it is found that he didn't understand his duties, that just bats the problem back to the institution, particularly as he isn't the only Royal to have exploited his official position for personal gain.

Stupidly, I hadn't thought of that one, nicepotoftea ... "I didn't know I wasn't supposed to hand government documents to a crook because nobody told me" Confused

IdaGlossop · 22/02/2026 18:21

BoxingHare · 21/02/2026 20:19

Bringing this here since we've moved!

I think it's important to have him removed from the list of councillors of state. And if he has to be removed from the line of succession in order for that to happen, so be it.

It doesn't matter if it takes time and effort because he'd still be a CoS when William is monarch, and I don't think that would be accepted. So the process may as well start now.

It will have to happen after the current investigations conclude so it could be a long wait.

RainbowBagels · 22/02/2026 18:23

Puzzledandpissedoff · 22/02/2026 18:18

Stupidly, I hadn't thought of that one, nicepotoftea ... "I didn't know I wasn't supposed to hand government documents to a crook because nobody told me" Confused

I wonder what has become of the Chinese spy stuff, and the David Rowland stuff? It's not just Epstein and I think it's not just the trade envoy stuff but Pitch@palace that was dodgy too, and all his property dealings . What was he up to?

IdaGlossop · 22/02/2026 18:24

Puzzledandpissedoff · 22/02/2026 18:18

Stupidly, I hadn't thought of that one, nicepotoftea ... "I didn't know I wasn't supposed to hand government documents to a crook because nobody told me" Confused

It's telling that Andrew personally forwarded documents to Epstein within minutes of receiving them, and which he only had because of his trade envoy role. That suggests he knew he was doing wrong. Otherwise, why didn't he bark at some aide to forward them?

Typo

TheAutumnCrow · 22/02/2026 18:25

Puzzledandpissedoff · 22/02/2026 18:18

Stupidly, I hadn't thought of that one, nicepotoftea ... "I didn't know I wasn't supposed to hand government documents to a crook because nobody told me" Confused

‘Well, yeeees, they were marked “sensitive: confidential” but that can’t possibly apply to the Queen’s second son? And don’t forget, that nice Mr Epstein asked me to send them on and he’s a friend of Donald Trump and Ehud Barak and he opened many doors for me.’

Save me a front row seat please.

damsello · 22/02/2026 18:26

TBH it's hard
to believe that the lot of them were/are squeaky clean and not up to their necks in deals here and there. Not of the Epstein or illegal variety, but using connections, getting laws changed, etc. I've lost trust now, not that I had all that much in the first place!

RainbowBagels · 22/02/2026 18:27

IdaGlossop · 22/02/2026 18:24

It's telling that Andrew personally forwarded documents to Epstein within minutes of receiving them, and which he only had because of his trade envoy role. That suggests he knew he was doing wrong. Otherwise, why didn't he bark at some aide to forward them?

Typo

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It also indicates that he didn't even read them. It looks like he has asked for something, it's been sent to him and he's immediately sent them to Epstein. So he's basically his bitch.
I think his lackey Amanda Thirsk was involved in the asking though.

IdaGlossop · 22/02/2026 18:29

RainbowBagels · 22/02/2026 18:23

I wonder what has become of the Chinese spy stuff, and the David Rowland stuff? It's not just Epstein and I think it's not just the trade envoy stuff but Pitch@palace that was dodgy too, and all his property dealings . What was he up to?

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Making money for himself. He got a cut of 2% of all the Pitch@palace stuff. Introductions by China to key officials in North Korea. KCIII was written to about the inappropriateness of the David Rowlands contact, which is bad news for KCIII as it shows he has dithered.

TheAutumnCrow · 22/02/2026 18:29

RainbowBagels · 22/02/2026 18:23

I wonder what has become of the Chinese spy stuff, and the David Rowland stuff? It's not just Epstein and I think it's not just the trade envoy stuff but Pitch@palace that was dodgy too, and all his property dealings . What was he up to?

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Ah yes, the big grift that was pitch@traffickinghub. Didn’t AMW cream off a %?

TheAutumnCrow · 22/02/2026 18:30

IdaGlossop · 22/02/2026 18:29

Making money for himself. He got a cut of 2% of all the Pitch@palace stuff. Introductions by China to key officials in North Korea. KCIII was written to about the inappropriateness of the David Rowlands contact, which is bad news for KCIII as it shows he has dithered.

Thank you!

Puzzledandpissedoff · 22/02/2026 18:36

IdaGlossop · 22/02/2026 18:24

It's telling that Andrew personally forwarded documents to Epstein within minutes of receiving them, and which he only had because of his trade envoy role. That suggests he knew he was doing wrong. Otherwise, why didn't he bark at some aide to forward them?

Typo

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It also suggests this was his entire purpose in asking for them in the first place, IdaGlossop, which is why I mentioned that "codes of conduct" and the like are pointless if the RF choose not to abide by them and nobody's prepared to do anything about it

ChoccyJules · 22/02/2026 18:37

whereisitnow · 22/02/2026 14:45

Im now seeing a future in which the protection officers are charged with wrongdoing for following his orders, and he gets off scot free.

This scenario is what’s worrying me right now as well. The protection officers, when they tried to question dodgy protocol, were apparently threatened with demotion or loss of pension if they caused a fuss. You can quite believe it becoming the ‘done thing’ to adhere to what AMW demanded, even though the sunlight now shining on everything years later doesn’t necessarily show them in the best light.

IdaGlossop · 22/02/2026 18:38

Puzzledandpissedoff · 22/02/2026 18:36

It also suggests this was his entire purpose in asking for them in the first place, IdaGlossop, which is why I mentioned that "codes of conduct" and the like are pointless if the RF choose not to abide by them and nobody's prepared to do anything about it

The days of the royals doing just what they please will have to end if the monarchy is to survive.

RainbowBagels · 22/02/2026 19:02

ChoccyJules · 22/02/2026 18:37

This scenario is what’s worrying me right now as well. The protection officers, when they tried to question dodgy protocol, were apparently threatened with demotion or loss of pension if they caused a fuss. You can quite believe it becoming the ‘done thing’ to adhere to what AMW demanded, even though the sunlight now shining on everything years later doesn’t necessarily show them in the best light.

I think this will shine a light on a lot of people, and I hope questions are asked about not only the Rpo's but the people who threatened them, the people at the Palace who are apparently still threatening them, who in the civil service and government allowed public servants to be threatened so they could do the Palaces bidding. etc etc.

ThePoshUns · 22/02/2026 19:07

ChoccyJules · 22/02/2026 18:37

This scenario is what’s worrying me right now as well. The protection officers, when they tried to question dodgy protocol, were apparently threatened with demotion or loss of pension if they caused a fuss. You can quite believe it becoming the ‘done thing’ to adhere to what AMW demanded, even though the sunlight now shining on everything years later doesn’t necessarily show them in the best light.

Yes I think this too. Shit always rolls downhill.

nicepotoftea · 22/02/2026 19:09

At the moment it seems as though Charles is trying to protect the Royal Family by creating distance between himself and Andrew, but the problem is that it's exactly this strategy of pretending that Andrew's behaviour had nothing to with the wider Royal Family that enabled it in the first place.

MidWayThruJanuary · 22/02/2026 19:42

I would like Peter Loughborough to be asked exactly why he gave permission for RPOs to be bouncers at Epstein's house in NY. And was he aware of AMW asking an officer to smear VG.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/kings-aide-head-royal-protection-36108792

https://www.gbnews.com/royal/king-charles-peter-loughborough-epstein-files

Dai Davies, the former head of the Royal Protection Command from 1994 to 1998, said on Friday it “beggars belief” that police and other officials working closely the royal never saw any “untoward” behaviour. He raised questions over a “culture of silence” around the former Duke of York’s conduct.
“Don’t forget, this is going back many years now, 20 years plus, in some instances, so many of them will have retired,” he told Channel 4.
“So, clearly they will have to decide with their conscience and their moral compass, what they did or didn’t see.”

King's aide was head of royal protection when Andrew 'asked for dirt on accuser'

Lord Peter Rosslyn, who is currently Lord Steward and personal secretary to King Charles, was head of royal protection at the Metopolitan Police between 2003 and 2014

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/kings-aide-head-royal-protection-36108792

MidWayThruJanuary · 22/02/2026 19:42

Edited - duplicate post.

NoDrums · 22/02/2026 20:00

MidWayThruJanuary · 22/02/2026 19:42

I would like Peter Loughborough to be asked exactly why he gave permission for RPOs to be bouncers at Epstein's house in NY. And was he aware of AMW asking an officer to smear VG.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/kings-aide-head-royal-protection-36108792

https://www.gbnews.com/royal/king-charles-peter-loughborough-epstein-files

Dai Davies, the former head of the Royal Protection Command from 1994 to 1998, said on Friday it “beggars belief” that police and other officials working closely the royal never saw any “untoward” behaviour. He raised questions over a “culture of silence” around the former Duke of York’s conduct.
“Don’t forget, this is going back many years now, 20 years plus, in some instances, so many of them will have retired,” he told Channel 4.
“So, clearly they will have to decide with their conscience and their moral compass, what they did or didn’t see.”

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All the civil servants, RPOs and whomever else - public officials - who believes, like Andrew, in the Divine Right of Kings should be flushed out. But I think the most senior in that list should be brought to task.

RainbowBagels · 22/02/2026 20:04

Yes. Frankly, if members of the RF were aware of this it needs to be made clear that it is not acceptable, and if they weren't aware that this was being done on their behalf they clearly are not in control. Their operation is far too big if they don't know what's going on.