Duke of Sussex & Others vs ANL: thread 3

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This is the third thread discussing the case Prince Harry (and 6 others) are bringing against the Daily Mail (Associated Newspapers) for alleged unlawful information gathering (UIG).

Thread 1

Thread 2

Since the celebrities have given evidence, there has been limited direct reporting from court; what there is has mostly been on this link
Sky News link to court case

Indeed. Surely she wouldn't have deliberately leaked to the press- she may just have been naive then. But regardless, sadly she herself may have been the source

Exactly.

Yes, in this case she was chatting to her brother's drug dealer. But it just goes to show how info leaks out, maybe the brother was chatty himself too.

Chelsy has turned out well. I hate it when people expect women to be a good influence on men. I have two sons and I don’t think it’s the responsibility of their gfs to make them grow up and be responsible.

No it isn’t but she was dissuading him from following his career and encouraging him to wear a Nazi uniform as a joke . Doesn’t sound like someone who was suitable.

The Nazis aren't the same cultural reference in South Africa as the UK, for all sorts of reasons...

A Nazi uniform would probably have a similar 'feel' as a WW1 Prussian uniform complete with pointy helmet.

Harry should 100% have known better.

Indeed and Harry apparently wanted the actual ss uniform!! Maybe she was steering him towards the lesser of two evils?! , it definitely seems that it’s Harry who wanted a costume that wasn’t suitable but needed another person to hang the blame on.

There’s a narrative that Chelsy decided to walk away when she saw how much pressure Catherine was under at the time of the wedding. However, it was her family connections that made marriage to Chelsy unthinkable. That’s been forgotten.

She was only 19 at the time of this party and didn't grow up in Europe so may not have understod how offensive it was - for example the average Brit might not react to a Soviet era uniform in the same way that they would in other countries.

Whereas Harry received a very expensive private education which presumably covered the European part of World War II in history lessons so there is no excuse for him not realizing just how offensive it would be.

Come on now. There is no excuse at all for a woman born and educated in SA not to understand why a Nazi uniform might be hugely problematic.

I thought that Harry broke up with Chelsy Davy in 2009 so well before Catherine's wedding. They were both too young - she was only 18/19 and he was about 20.

So what's Harry's excuse for wearing it?

Anyway back to the thread… any news from court today?

I don’t think anything significant happened today. Unless a significant witness is giving evidence, there will be little media reporting. Both sides will now be preparing for the highly anticipated evidence of Gavin Burrows who is expected to give evidence early next week. I believe this could be the 23rd March. Obviously this could change but the Judge will be keen to strictly manage the timetable.

This is a bit stereotypical and obviously doesn't apply to most. But I have got the impression from what I've read that some sections of the white Zimbabwean community have historically been less than egalitarian in their racial attitudes (after all, a lot supported white minority rule back in the 1970s, it's not that long ago).

I don't think this was the case for Chelsy's family, but the wider social environment she grew up in may have caused her to be, unconsciously, a bit less sensitive of racism. Still, a Nazi uniform is surely pretty difficult to see as appropriate.

She was much younger then, as pps have said it's unfair to judge her now on how she acted back then.

Unfortunately, cannabis was actually illegal in Zimbabwe back then, and remains so (though it was legalised for medicinal purposes only in 2018)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_in_Zimbabwe#:~:text=Cannabis%20is%20illegal%20in%20Zimbabwe,of%20public%20health%20and%20security.

Chelsy actually went to secondary school I'm England though: Cheltenham College & Stowe School. That was how she came to be familiar with English posh circles.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelsy_Davy

Questionable, then, definitely. But seems sensible now.

My question is, what did she mean when she made the comment about not wanting him to end up like Prince Andrew if he stayed in the army? He hadn't been accused of wrongdoing then, wasn't he living a good life (hmm!) as a trade ambassador? (If Andrew'd been in the army, it would have maybe restrained him a bit more)

If she meant 'become irrelevant', surely staying in the army would have been a better way to find a bigger purpose?

Surely the Nazis are a arguably a universal symbol of evil, to some extent? Or at least, generally known to have murdered millions, planned world domination etc.

Would people in Zimbabwe generally really see Nazi uniform as an inoffensive party choice? Disturbing if so...

Definitely agree he should have known better.

Harry’s narrative as to why he didn’t marry Chelsy, in his witness statement for this ANL case, is that it’s the fault of the press. He claims their unlawful intrusion scared her off.

It’s his ‘go to’ retreat in his head for every time he’s been broken up with.

At no point is he ever responsible in his own head for anything.

TBF it's probably the easiest way to drum into Harry that you want to break up with him.

Exactly..

Yet Harry didn't see the offensive nature at all - worrying for a man who joined the British Army 4 months later.

Most Brits, especially of his age, would have immediately dismissed any thoughts of wearing Nazi Uniform and just said "absolutely not - next! " at the costume shop - but Harry not only chose to rent it and chose to wear it, but when he was criticised chose to blame others for his own choices.

I agree @Lunde, I’m uncomfortable with yet another woman being held responsible for Harry’s constant bad judgment and behaviour.

Andrew served in the navy for over a decade, including in the Falklands war. He had a reputation then as Randy Andy and was well known for his frequently changing girlfriends during that period. So I think that's what Chelsy was referring to.