Duke of Sussex & Others vs ANL: thread 3

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This is the third thread discussing the case Prince Harry (and 6 others) are bringing against the Daily Mail (Associated Newspapers) for alleged unlawful information gathering (UIG).

Thread 1

Thread 2

Since the celebrities have given evidence, there has been limited direct reporting from court; what there is has mostly been on this link
Sky News link to court case

Wow - another "recollections may vary"?? 😮

Harry's story that it was William and Catherine never rung truec to me. I can't see either of them being heedless of the fallout it would cause.

Quite amusing that more of his lies are being exposed through this case 🤦‍♀️

So Chelsy, not W&C. Well, well, well.

Some papers implied this at the time.

Chelsy tends to be praised now, but it wasn't always that way.

https://www.standard.co.uk/hp/front/is-chelsy-a-bad-influence-7188082.html

Thanks @Carla786

Another way history has been rewritten recently.

Another connection with Robert Mugabe? Well well.

That was very well known and publicised at the time and was the reason Chelsy was not thought to be a suitable future wife for Harry.

Yes.

I have serious issues with Meghan but I'm also suspicious of the way history has been rewritten, as you say, around Chelsy.

Her father's connections to Mugabe were indeed criticised heavily at the time :

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/zimbabwe/1491836/Zimbabwes-great-white-survivor.html

https://www.thetimes.com/travel/destinations/africa-travel/south-africa/cape-town/a-tale-of-two-very-different-princes-in-africa-mcw728f5rv0?gaa_at=eafs&gaa_n=AWEtsqfOONVGjkiTbSH8nx3PEpoDcputHBYy7BGH7U59LFek2H4AffDk-6lTcX8AOGI%3D&gaa_ts=69b71af9&gaa_sig=Z0n0MWHHZKIe6TzKl0QGO9uhQFKXhEEJA9ddNmV2LEOx5lp785N0Oe66iLNAtuYe-J1zmPKSOX1WOX8V6vfYiQ%3D%3D

He was also accused of rhino poaching, though this is disputed.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/southafrica/5989773/Chelsy-Davy-denies-father-is-linked-to-rhino-poaching.html

Yes, I think Chelsy's time with Harry is now often painted rosily due to one, papers wanting to make Meghan appear much worse compared to his previous girlfriends (I say that as someone who's pretty critical of her), and two, other papers etc who want to make it seem as if Meghan faced much more scrutiny than his other girlfriends.

Link to another article, this one from the hacking trial :

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/phone-hacking/10511445/Prince-Harry-was-bombarded-by-messages-from-Chelsy-Davy-while-at-Sandhurst-court-hears.html

Thanks again @Carla786 - as you say, a very different picture

Archive link (NotW hacking trial) https://archive.is/9eR9q

Thank you, all, for that info.

The swastika outfit was a horrible thing to accuse his SiL of, if it was his own idea supported by his then gf - all this on top of his own everyday vicarious sadism of ‘leaking’ falsehoods about his now-discarded SiL (eg the Dutch translation saga re: ‘royal racists’).

Harry comes across as a complete shit who loves a folie a deux and a good old punch-down.

I think the other rumours about him might be true.

Thank you

In fairness to Chelsy, I personally wonder if she was worried about him cheating while he was at Sandhurst- Harry was certainly somewhat erratic during that period.

https://pagesix.com/2023/06/06/prince-harry-suggests-he-flirted-with-another-woman-while-dating-chelsy-davy/

Tom Bower takes no prisoners but he's pretty positive about Chelsy in his book : he describes her as 'independent' rather than clingy, and notes that the breakup was fuelled not only by press attention, but also by her maturing while Harry didn't, and his need for her to 'act like a mother'. She might have been phoning him due to worry about his mental state while in the army, though the structure and team bond seems to have stabilised him.

What other rumours? I get if you'd rather not post on the thread

Nor can I - even if they were being spiteful, which seems unlikely, surely they wouldn't want the potential fallout?

This article is interesting..

'The court heard that Jones returned three months later with a source, Joe Osman, who claimed he knew Davy’s brother because he sold him cannabis. Jones said she waited in her car outside the property in the Newlands suburb of Cape Town while Osman spent around 20 minutes inside, The Times reported.
Afterwards, she recorded his account of what he said was a conversation with Davy.
According to Jones, Osman claimed Davy had said she advised Harry that pursuing a career as an army officer was “pointless” and warned he would “turn out just like Prince Andrew”.
Jones told the court that Davy was also reported to have described Harry as “behaving like a wuss” for allowing himself to be confined to Highgrove House following the Nazi costume backlash.'

This article honestly doesn't show either Chelsy or Harry in a good light.

Why was she advising him to leave the army?
And I don't understand the Andrew reference-what would that have been implying, back in 2004?
Disappointing also she saw acquiescing to the deserved punishment as 'wussy'....

Plus I wonder if H was using cannabis at that time too. Who introduced him to it I wonder? She doesn’t sound like a good ‘influence’.

Why is it a acceptable for Chelsy to be dragged back through the press, yet another example of H wanting absolute privacy but no concerns about anyone else.

I don't think wondering about Chelsey or her 'influence' is fair. She hasn't brought the case and now has her own life and family. What she did or didn't do as a teenager isn't relevant now .

Well it’s relevant to the case which is focusing on events that happened a long time ago. Personally I think it’s a waste of public money and time in the High Court which would be better used on more deserving cases.

I think a lot of first love 19 year olds could be described as clingy. However she turned out to be a very clever, business savvy, educated woman, happily married and succeeding in life.....unlike her wussy ex boyfriend!

I feel a bit for her being dragged through the courts because she dated a someone years ago.

That's a good point : most of this stuff mentioned in the various articles dates back to the early years of their relationship when they were just out of their teens. As I said in pp, a key detail is that Chelsy matured later on, but Harry did not.

No wonder Chelsy didnt want to be a party to the case if she did leak some info herself, even if she didn’t know it was to a journalist.

Do we know who is giving evidence today @PrayForMyBum?

It just shows as well how easily dismantled Harry’s claims about a non leaky inner circle are. Must be a bit humiliating for him to realise the source of some of the stories that he claims ruined his relationship is none other than his girlfriend herself.

Although I’m sure it makes no difference in his mind, as he will see any form of journalists getting access to information he doesn’t want out there as something which should be illegal.