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Time to either prosecute Andrew or forget him.

298 replies

Bougainsillier · 04/02/2026 13:11

Firstly let me say I am in NO way defending him; hes clearly completely awful in so many ways. Finally stripped of all titles and position, and dumped over in Norfolk, but still not charged with or found guilty of any crime.

But it’s starting to feel like he’s being tried by the press now to sell stories. Isn’t there enough evidence to prosecute? Is there a cover up? Or can we just leave him to himself now? It’s news headlines endlessly…

Mandelson in the other hand is another matter..

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MrsLeonFarrell · 05/02/2026 08:45

Readythiswayplease · 05/02/2026 08:42

Please may I ask, did EM mean “take him” as in the Palace saying go ahead and investigate him MrsLeonFarrell?

I would like to know why an investigation isn’t being launched too!

Yes that's what she meant. That the palace was basically saying we won't stand in the way. I don't know if she was right but there's an article in The Mail today that suggests she may be.

Readythiswayplease · 05/02/2026 08:46

Kirschcherries · 05/02/2026 07:32

I agree about the media focus.

I know a lot of posters won’t like this but AMW could do a deal and give evidence as a whistleblower in exchange for not being prosecuted. The difficulty for him, or more accurately for KC, is it opens up civil cases for victims to sue for £££. There is also a credibility issue about his version of the truth, however, he was not under oath when he did the BBC interview.

It’s highly likely Jeffrey Epstein was murdered and that Ghislaine Maxwell has kept quiet to avoid a similar fate. Ironically AMW status means he is already more protected than most of the perpetrators. He has security, RAVEC will be monitoring threats etc.

Sadly, I suspect there are a lot of rich and powerful men who are going to walk away from this with no impact and carry on abusing.

I think this may be why Andrew Lownie suggested focusing on AMW’s alleged financial corruption while in office as Trade Envoy, which is why it’s so important that those hidden papers are made public.

CesarSoubreyon · 05/02/2026 10:25

If he wasn't a member of the Royal Family all the information about him would have been most likely put out in the open and investigated properly by now. He could have very well gone to prison.

The issue is the withholding of information and cover up. And he hasn't been punished, not as he should have been if the reports and rumours are true. Unfortunately, due to his position he will never be properly investigated, as most regular people would have been by now.

TheignT · 05/02/2026 12:10

Readythiswayplease · 05/02/2026 08:46

I think this may be why Andrew Lownie suggested focusing on AMW’s alleged financial corruption while in office as Trade Envoy, which is why it’s so important that those hidden papers are made public.

But the police have asked for some not to be made public as it could interfere with their investigations. I think it would be awful if people wanting to see the papers meant a potential prosecution was messed up.

bluegreygreen · 05/02/2026 12:26

Readythiswayplease · 05/02/2026 08:46

I think this may be why Andrew Lownie suggested focusing on AMW’s alleged financial corruption while in office as Trade Envoy, which is why it’s so important that those hidden papers are made public.

I suspect the real reason they haven't been made public is the culpability of relevant cabinet ministers.

TrackerTracey · 05/02/2026 12:44

CesarSoubreyon · 05/02/2026 10:25

If he wasn't a member of the Royal Family all the information about him would have been most likely put out in the open and investigated properly by now. He could have very well gone to prison.

The issue is the withholding of information and cover up. And he hasn't been punished, not as he should have been if the reports and rumours are true. Unfortunately, due to his position he will never be properly investigated, as most regular people would have been by now.

I think the issue is that if he were to be properly investigated and have to give evidence then likely a number of other ‘names’ would be brought out into the open, therefore it is people in power with something to hide ensuring that he doesn’t testify.

There are no ‘regular’ people in all of this - they are all CEOs, politicians, royalty etc and they know that once the house of cards begins to fall they will all fall (hopefully!)

CandiedPrincess · 05/02/2026 12:49

I also thought this OP, we need to move on at some point. Also just makes me wonder what else is being covered up while they're still bleating about Andrew.

GottaKeepItClassy · 05/02/2026 12:54

bluegreygreen · 05/02/2026 12:26

I suspect the real reason they haven't been made public is the culpability of relevant cabinet ministers.

This ⬆️

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 05/02/2026 13:28

AllTheReasons · 04/02/2026 14:56

Just another person trying to shut down discussion, minimise and deflect.

This should be talked about and will be talked about.

In no way defending him, yeah sure. 🤔

He has done some terrible things, why would any decent human think this shouldn’t be talked about? Why would anyone who thinks what he has done is terrible start a thread like this? It’s desperate and very obvious. It won’t work.

This. This. This. This.

If we change Andrew's name to someone else's "I'm in no way defending Jimmy Saville/Russell Brand/Gary Glitter but..." then we see how disingenuous some posts are.

TheHaplessWit · 05/02/2026 13:28

To answer the OP, he will be discussed in public (with constant negativity) until the day he dies, and then it will continue less frequently after that.

This is 100% justified. His actions, and the actions of those around him will constantly bring the RF down in the public opinion.

Sadly, sex crimes against women will be a topic of discussion forever – that means Andrew will be discussed for a long time.

Stop trying to shutdown discussion because it ruins the ‘pro royal family’ narrative you’d obviously prefer.

Feel free to stick to the Megan threads and jam talk, whilst others discuss things which matter to them.

Serenster · 05/02/2026 13:49

MrsLeonFarrell · 05/02/2026 08:27

The police have opened an investigation into Mandelson so maybe it's a case of watch this space. Emily Matlis was interviewed on LBC and she said that the King's last statement about Andrew was the palace saying, take him. I'm not sure if she is right but I am sure that the palace wouldn't be stupid enough to stop an investigation if anyone started one.

So why isn't anyone starting an investigation that Andrew can't refuse to answer to?

Because I suspect the police and the CPS know that an attempt to charge Andrew could be legally risky, and they will be mindful of their own reputation here - show trials that founder don't look good for them.

Mandelson’s position is much more clear cut - there is email evidence which on its face suggests he was clearly passing on secrets (as in, covered by the Official Secrets Act) and price-sensitive information. There are any number of criminal offences he could have committed here, from Misconduct in Public Office to market abuse. Lots of people are prosecuted for market abuse on far more circumstantial evidence than that.

Andrews’ position is tricker. Firstly, sexual offences are trickier generally (more he said - she said, though I doubt any jury would give Andrew the benefit of the doubt now). In relation to Virginia Giuffre, Sections 57-59 of the Sexual Offences Act 2003 introduced offences around trafficking into the UK for sexual exploitation. I bolded 2003 because the date is important here: that was after Virginia alleged Andrew and she had sex. So this matter would be looked at based on the law as it was before the Sexual Offences 2003 was enacted. Before 2003, the impact of trafficking on consent was not considered, and it is not retrospective.

Another point to note is that prior to 2003 there was a defence of a genuine though unreasonably mistaken belief as to the consent of the complainant - that has now been abolished. But that is relevant to assessing whether you could successfully prosecute Andrew for a sexual offence that occurred in 2001 with a 17 year old. I think the CPS and the Police would consider that to be a case that has a lot of uncertainty.

As for the new allegation about the trafficked Russian women who Epstein offered to introduce to Andrew and who allegedly spent the night with him after being shown around Buckingham Palace, without more it’s hard to know what the authorities think about their prospects there. Realistically I think the age of the woman would be a factor they take into account, though whether it would makes a difference to their decision is hard to say.

As for the rest of the emails shown to date, they show Andrew is a sleaze, and idiot and completely lacking in judgement (understatement). But unlike others I have seen, he is not giving Epstein permission to kill people, talking about torture videos or laughingly referring to Epstein’s liking for sex with very young women (Disclaimer: quite obviously I have not read all the emails! Who knows what else will come out!). They would play very badly with a jury about Andrew’s moral compass generally, but they do not in themselves reveal any criminal acts, I don’t think.

The trade envoy stuff may well lead to more clear-cut offences, and I think should now be investigated. Ironically the Bribery Act would probably be the easiest route to a prosecution, but Andrew was dumped from his role before that came into force. There is Misconduct in Public Office though - though it’s not a very clear offence to charge and prove.

MrsLeonFarrell · 05/02/2026 13:53

Serenster · 05/02/2026 13:49

Because I suspect the police and the CPS know that an attempt to charge Andrew could be legally risky, and they will be mindful of their own reputation here - show trials that founder don't look good for them.

Mandelson’s position is much more clear cut - there is email evidence which on its face suggests he was clearly passing on secrets (as in, covered by the Official Secrets Act) and price-sensitive information. There are any number of criminal offences he could have committed here, from Misconduct in Public Office to market abuse. Lots of people are prosecuted for market abuse on far more circumstantial evidence than that.

Andrews’ position is tricker. Firstly, sexual offences are trickier generally (more he said - she said, though I doubt any jury would give Andrew the benefit of the doubt now). In relation to Virginia Giuffre, Sections 57-59 of the Sexual Offences Act 2003 introduced offences around trafficking into the UK for sexual exploitation. I bolded 2003 because the date is important here: that was after Virginia alleged Andrew and she had sex. So this matter would be looked at based on the law as it was before the Sexual Offences 2003 was enacted. Before 2003, the impact of trafficking on consent was not considered, and it is not retrospective.

Another point to note is that prior to 2003 there was a defence of a genuine though unreasonably mistaken belief as to the consent of the complainant - that has now been abolished. But that is relevant to assessing whether you could successfully prosecute Andrew for a sexual offence that occurred in 2001 with a 17 year old. I think the CPS and the Police would consider that to be a case that has a lot of uncertainty.

As for the new allegation about the trafficked Russian women who Epstein offered to introduce to Andrew and who allegedly spent the night with him after being shown around Buckingham Palace, without more it’s hard to know what the authorities think about their prospects there. Realistically I think the age of the woman would be a factor they take into account, though whether it would makes a difference to their decision is hard to say.

As for the rest of the emails shown to date, they show Andrew is a sleaze, and idiot and completely lacking in judgement (understatement). But unlike others I have seen, he is not giving Epstein permission to kill people, talking about torture videos or laughingly referring to Epstein’s liking for sex with very young women (Disclaimer: quite obviously I have not read all the emails! Who knows what else will come out!). They would play very badly with a jury about Andrew’s moral compass generally, but they do not in themselves reveal any criminal acts, I don’t think.

The trade envoy stuff may well lead to more clear-cut offences, and I think should now be investigated. Ironically the Bribery Act would probably be the easiest route to a prosecution, but Andrew was dumped from his role before that came into force. There is Misconduct in Public Office though - though it’s not a very clear offence to charge and prove.

That's all very interesting. Frustrating but interesting. I wish he would at least do one decent thing and agree to talk to the FBI in this country.

MrsLeonFarrell · 05/02/2026 13:55

CesarSoubreyon · 05/02/2026 10:25

If he wasn't a member of the Royal Family all the information about him would have been most likely put out in the open and investigated properly by now. He could have very well gone to prison.

The issue is the withholding of information and cover up. And he hasn't been punished, not as he should have been if the reports and rumours are true. Unfortunately, due to his position he will never be properly investigated, as most regular people would have been by now.

I don't think that is true. Of all the people Epstein interacted with Andrew is the one with the most focus on him, because he is a member of the royal family. It made him a target but it also made him a safer target for accusations than any of the really powerful people that we don't hear much about. It's all such a swamp.

jannier · 05/02/2026 13:59

Bougainsillier · 04/02/2026 13:23

I agree. Unless he’s charged with something he’s had his punishment.

He would have had a much harsher punishment if he were mr Average with no proof. The vigilantes would have seen to that.....at the moment he still has wealth a home and liberty.

simpsonthecat · 05/02/2026 14:12

TheHaplessWit · 05/02/2026 13:28

To answer the OP, he will be discussed in public (with constant negativity) until the day he dies, and then it will continue less frequently after that.

This is 100% justified. His actions, and the actions of those around him will constantly bring the RF down in the public opinion.

Sadly, sex crimes against women will be a topic of discussion forever – that means Andrew will be discussed for a long time.

Stop trying to shutdown discussion because it ruins the ‘pro royal family’ narrative you’d obviously prefer.

Feel free to stick to the Megan threads and jam talk, whilst others discuss things which matter to them.

⬆️ This.

Why on earth is any poster saying move on, we should forget him now if only to shut down conversation because it reflects so so badly on the royal family. And what a total insult to the survivors. I agree, this will not be forgotten, it will rise and fall depending on what's going on in the world.

A historian has said this is the worst crisis for the Monarchy for a very long time and I agree. It is like we have lifted the corner of the 'never explain' mantra the royals are so fond of using, and we realise why they never explain about anything!

Historians describe this as a 'fragile crown' scenario where the monarchy is attempting to survive in an era with little privacy and low patience for traditional royal behaviour, suggesting the institution is in a "repudiation" of its past roles.
It needs to remain relevant in the 21st century and I think that relevance is slowly ebbing away.

BemusedAmerican · 05/02/2026 14:15

I don't think Andrew should be forgotten. It would be great if he was persuaded to talk. The whole situation is bigger than Andrew.

Last I heard the Clintons want to testify live. I hope there are no power outages, etc. when they do so

GottaKeepItClassy · 05/02/2026 14:19

BemusedAmerican · 05/02/2026 14:15

I don't think Andrew should be forgotten. It would be great if he was persuaded to talk. The whole situation is bigger than Andrew.

Last I heard the Clintons want to testify live. I hope there are no power outages, etc. when they do so

I will be tuning in for that.

I find the political side more interesting than the royal side. Andrew is just a mere minnow in the Epstein swamp

PoorPhaedra · 05/02/2026 14:31

I agree. Unless I’m mistaken it is not illegal to be friends with someone who has been to jail for sex offences so I’m not sure why Fergie is getting all the hate. It is distasteful and immoral but not illegal. Nor is it illegal to have sex with a 17 year old - unless there is evidence Andrew knew she was coerced by Epstein? In which case he should be charged.

MidWayThruJanuary · 05/02/2026 14:37

@PoorPhaedra
Sarah Ferguson's activities with various charities and the monies she has gained from those activities should be investigated by the Charity Commission to ensure that everything was clearly documented and above board.

PoorPhaedra · 05/02/2026 14:39

MidWayThruJanuary · 05/02/2026 14:37

@PoorPhaedra
Sarah Ferguson's activities with various charities and the monies she has gained from those activities should be investigated by the Charity Commission to ensure that everything was clearly documented and above board.

But why? Anyone can donate to a charity and I don’t think there’s any suggestion she has embezzled from the charities is there?

MidWayThruJanuary · 05/02/2026 14:45

I take it you haven't read Andrew Lowie's book then?

simpsonthecat · 05/02/2026 14:46

MidWayThruJanuary · 05/02/2026 14:45

I take it you haven't read Andrew Lowie's book then?

My thoughts exactly! Money raised for the various charities she was linked with suddenly became 'expenses' paid to her

BemusedAmerican · 05/02/2026 14:48

Read Lownie's book. You will have NO sympathy for Sarah.

deadpan · 05/02/2026 15:22

MidWayThruJanuary · 04/02/2026 13:17

I want the sealed records from his decade as UK Trade Envoy to be unsealed. I want to know about his visits to Libya and other places. I want to know who knew what about what he was doing. And if that goes all the way to TLQ then so be it.

Agree 100%

deadpan · 05/02/2026 15:28

PoorPhaedra · 05/02/2026 14:31

I agree. Unless I’m mistaken it is not illegal to be friends with someone who has been to jail for sex offences so I’m not sure why Fergie is getting all the hate. It is distasteful and immoral but not illegal. Nor is it illegal to have sex with a 17 year old - unless there is evidence Andrew knew she was coerced by Epstein? In which case he should be charged.

I don't think there's any suggestion she has done anything illegal by sucking up to a convicted paedophile because she can't control her spending habits. The hypocrisy of doing that and having daughters herself is astounding. As is Andrew's.
Being 17 means it was illegal in the States but to be honest, having any kind of encounter with a trafficked person, whether male/female underage or not is grossly abhorrent and saying "it wasn't illegal" is ignoring the experience of vulnerable and abused people.