Time to either prosecute Andrew or forget him.

[Bougainsillier]

Firstly let me say I am in NO way defending him; hes clearly completely awful in so many ways. Finally stripped of all titles and position, and dumped over in Norfolk, but still not charged with or found guilty of any crime.

But it’s starting to feel like he’s being tried by the press now to sell stories. Isn’t there enough evidence to prosecute? Is there a cover up? Or can we just leave him to himself now? It’s news headlines endlessly…

Mandelson in the other hand is another matter..

I want it investigated. Most criminal investigations don't have every morsel reported to the public. I think he should be treated like everyone else.

No, we should double down and never, ever forget. So, soooo bizarre those people asking to forget Andrew.

And, he still lives better than most population, him agreeing to not use his titles came too later and is performative as he still have all other diplomatic perks.

He's not like everyone else though, is he? Why should news stories be hushed up? To spare his feelings?

We all want it investigated but sometimes it needs public pressure and if we are not told what has happened, how can we apply that?

It’s time for him to face charges and if that doesn’t happen it’s time to stop using his vile behaviour to get rid of the RF and for the whole thing to be parked until him or/and any other one of the culprits involved with him can be charged.

I think Andrew is a convenient diversion from other, much bigger fish.
These bigger fish are the ones they should be pursuing imho

Lost his home? He’s getting another one that will be better than most people could dream of! And he should lose his titles.

We have a right to know what a member of our Royal family has been up to when misusing his position. We have paid for him! Our opinion matters, when they apparently serve us. They don’t get to hide it all for years and continue to hide it now I’m afraid. He was happy to take advantage of his unique position/status to do what he did, now he’ll have to deal with the consequences using that unique position/status in the way he did.

The appropriate authorities can still deal with it, although we all know he won’t be prosecuted, so even more reason to get it all out there.

I have to question why the OP started this thread in a topic that is hidden by lots.
I wonder what the response to an A apologist thread would be in AIBU.
the idea that A has been punished is so bizarre.

I agree

he absolutely is a sweaty nonce. Stick him in prison and move on, what’s the hold up?

what ridiculous political actions that will greatly oppress us, are we being distracted from?

I couldn't care less about him.
I blame the parents of the young girls. They were just as culpable.

They were as culpable as Jeffrey Epstein?
The parents were of course so wrong in how they parented their children but some of the young girls were in care, some were homeless, some lived on trailer parks with a parent who couldn't care less.
That is life. There are many kids out there with effing awful parents, and awful childhoods. Sadly.
Maxwell pinpointed those and offered them more than they could ever imagine. Openings to modelling, training to be a masseuse, money they could only dream of, opportunities to go to college. If you are having a shit childhood, you would jump at it.

Very well said.

We all know deep down he is going to carry on being protected by the Monarchy. They can't afford not to. Because it shows them up in an appalling light. Which is why I would be dumbfounded if they release the Trade Envoy records.

Lost his home? He’s getting another one that will be better than most people could dream of! And he should lose his titles.

He has lost his home but he does have to be rehoused.
Where and what were you expecting him to move into?

Where would you expect me to go if I earned a similar level of disgrace and lost my job and my home as a result? Hint: it wouldn’t be a large farmhouse on the Sandringham estate.

People are pig sick of hereditary privilege and the utter impunity of the unelected elite. That toothpaste is never going back into the tube.

If you earned a similar level of disgrace and lost your job but your family had money and property I'd expect them to house you.

I don’t really care where he goes. It was just the pp sounding like it was ‘poor Andrew’ losing his home, when actually he gets to move into another home straight away that is better than most people will have with land around and privacy. It was the tone of ‘he’s lost enough, what a poor little lamb’. His housing situation is actually very good, yet people are trying to gaslight us into thinking it’s some real punishment.

He's not committed a crime though has he, as far as we know. If he had, the police in the US and UK would be all over him. Yes he is a sleazebag, it's all in the Lownie biography.
I feel he's a soft target. The "harder targets" who might fight back are being ignored.
It all sells papers/gets clicks though doesn't it, so on it goes.

He's had his punishment? Do you really mean that? Young kids from sink estates go to young offenders' institutes, or adult prisons, for shoplifting or selling an ounce of weed and start on a path of recidivism that makes you weep. You think Andrew has had his punishment? This moron, born with every privilege a person could hope for and who has never wanted for anything his entire life - you think he's been adequately punished?

Members of the royal family are subject to different laws than you and I, and they also benefit from a culture of protection because British citizens, in the main, want a monarchy. Prosecution isn't realistic, and he knows it and he's taking advantage of that and rubbing it everyone's face every time he sits on a godforsaken horse and smiles at Daily Mail photographers. All that ordinary folk have left - all that HIS VICTIMS have left - is trial by media. And there's nothing that can get through that wanker's thick skull that would punish him enough for what he did to those girls. Let him be hounded for the rest of his life. Let him go to his grave whining and bitter and miserable and complaining about how life is unfair. I bet you he STILL wouldn't think for a second about how unfair life was for his victims.

And before you say "he hasn't been proven guilty though, has he?", I bet your 12 million quid that he's guilty of a lot more than any of us know yet.

They can house him. But we won’t sit here and listen to people saying ‘he’s lost his home’ as if he’s really on the bones of his arse when he will be housed in a big house with land. The ‘losing of his house’ is really not a thing when he gets another great house. Some people here seem to want us to see it as a punishment so we leave him alone. I’m really suspicious of those people.

Would you really? I wouldn’t. Nobody in my family has any time or sympathy for lying sexual predators.

The police won’t touch him because he’s royal and privileged and this sex trafficking ring involves people in all places. It’s a complete cover up.

Soft target my arse. He’s a rapist, a sexual predator. FFS,

Agree. I certainly wouldn’t be paying for a relative if they had done what Andrew did. They’re doing it either because they don’t think he’s that bad, or to try to protect their image. Disgusting the lot of them.

Yes, I think this is at the heart of it. I suspect it would be extremely hard to prove that the 26 year old Russian woman was trafficked for example - no doubt lawyers would manage to twist it based on her history, or seeming lack of coercion etc.

Interestingly global news outlets like CNN are focusing lots on the fall out of the Epstein files on Brits like AMW and Mandelson. There's a bit about Bill Gates, but the sheer lack of depth of coverage of many of the US figures who must be in those files makes it look like a massive cover up is underway and the British stuff is being used as a diversion tactic. Nobody is willing to blow it open, for fear of their jobs/lives - it will be a massive pandora's box.

He should go to prison. I see no reason who those people from royal family have diplomatic immunity.

Doesn't matter if he is a soft target or not (and he is not a soft, anyway..). The harder and softer ones should get attention. The focus is not on ignoring Andrew, but also calling attention that there's other people who deserve to be reported on news. We people aren't that dumb, we can multitask.

Andrew has been getting away with shit behaviour since time immemorial .
His mother protected the fucker for years.
Just because others are guilty of ‘questionable ‘ behaviour it doesn’t mean that Andrew should escape criticism .
I am sorry but when you continue a friendship with a convicted sex trafficker you deserve to be lambasted

He's a talentless little mummy's boy who's spent his entire life taking advantage of his privilege, safe in the knowledge that he was essentially bulletproof.

Now he can't hide behind mummy anymore, he's going to be hounded for as long as these stories keep coming out.

I find people's obsession with the royal family absolutely bizarre...but it's not hard to see why the media are going to enjoy every second of this.