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Did Carole Middleton really “engineer” William and Catherine’s relationship?

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TheRealGossipGirl · 31/01/2026 00:29

I came across a thread on Reddit where people were discussing the idea that Carole Middleton deliberately put Catherine in William’s path and essentially made the relationship happen. I don’t really see it that way. I also find that a lot of the more negative commentary about William and Catherine on Reddit tends to come from Harry and Meghan supporters, which makes it quite hard to have a fair or nuanced discussion there.

From what I’ve read, William had already announced he would be taking a gap year before starting at St Andrews, while Catherine was originally due to attend the University of Edinburgh. It’s often suggested that once William’s plans became public, Carole encouraged Catherine to take a gap year too and reapply to St Andrews so they would start in the same year. It’s also widely reported that people in Catherine’s circle were surprised by the sudden change, as she’d never previously shown interest in going to St Andrews.

I can accept that this could have happened. Carole may have encouraged Catherine to apply to St Andrews once she knew William would be there, as a way of putting her in his path. Even so, it was still a gamble with no guarantees - simply attending the same university doesn’t automatically lead to friendships or relationships.

In fact, by most accounts, William didn’t become friends with Catherine straight away, and they were both dating other people. It’s often reported that they began talking more after Catherine stepped in at a party to move on a girl who wouldn’t leave William alone, with his interest really sparked later at the now-famous charity fashion show where Catherine walked the catwalk.

That’s why I struggle with the idea that Carole “engineered” the entire relationship. At most, she could have encouraged a gap year and a different university choice - but she wasn’t there telling Catherine who to speak to, what to say, or how to create chemistry. A ten-year relationship doesn’t happen because of a mother’s planning alone. Ultimately, William had to feel something for Catherine, choose to be with her for a decade, and then decide to marry her.

I can imagine Carole offering fairly typical motherly advice - how to stay calm, what to say, and how not to come across as overly keen - but that’s very different from actively forcing a relationship to happen.

That’s just my take, but I’d be interested to hear what others think.

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Musicalchef · 04/02/2026 17:10

Well... where there's smoke there's fire...

And William waited ten years to marry Catherine, dating other women on and off during that time. Most women with some self-respect would have moved on. At least Catherine was strategic enough to wait a decade - going to the same university, dropping all her friends whenever she was called to be by William’s side, even taking the same gap year in Chile. At some point, it stops looking like coincidence and starts looking calculated.
It wasn’t serendipitous like Letizia with Felipe or Mary with Frederik. But it worked for her, so…

Millymolly99 · 04/02/2026 18:19

And William waited ten years to marry Catherine, dating other women on and off during that time. Most women with some self-respect would have moved on

Do we know if Catherine was also dating other people during this period?

BemusedAmerican · 04/02/2026 20:43

Musicalchef · 04/02/2026 17:10

Well... where there's smoke there's fire...

And William waited ten years to marry Catherine, dating other women on and off during that time. Most women with some self-respect would have moved on. At least Catherine was strategic enough to wait a decade - going to the same university, dropping all her friends whenever she was called to be by William’s side, even taking the same gap year in Chile. At some point, it stops looking like coincidence and starts looking calculated.
It wasn’t serendipitous like Letizia with Felipe or Mary with Frederik. But it worked for her, so…

Sounds like a Bridgerton subplot 😁

Musicalchef · 04/02/2026 22:03

BemusedAmerican · 04/02/2026 20:43

Sounds like a Bridgerton subplot 😁

If it the royal family biggest issue was only that lmao that would be fun AF, I need to admit 😜

Carla786 · 01/03/2026 11:15

ThinkingAbout2026 · 31/01/2026 21:33

I use to hang around circles in the 90s who knew Sophie's family in Kent, apparently Sophie's mother advised her not to marry into the royal family. Given this was the period of Diana and Fergie blabbering about how bad the royal family was and peak tabloid gossip quite frankly I don't blame the woman. At least it all worked out in the end.

I get the impression that Catherine does not relish public life that much, I think she does her best and sure there are some elements that she enjoys but she does what's necessary, and not much more, like you say that is because of shyness.

I'm glad Sophie did. Apart from the sheikh business, she's done very well imo.

SpringTimeIsRingTime · 01/03/2026 11:48

Millymolly99 · 02/02/2026 16:41

Carole Middleton was an air hostess living in a semi in the midlands and now she’s mother to the future queen

You have to hand it to her - she’s done well!

She realised the Royals were moving away from their inner circle in relation to marriage since Victoria due to centuries of inbreeding and her daughter had now become a prime candidate with no connection whatsoever to faulty genes.

BemusedAmerican · 01/03/2026 19:27

It's a shame Carole wasn't around to be hired to find a wife for Andrew. It might have prevented this mess.

JSMill · 01/03/2026 19:59

BemusedAmerican · 01/03/2026 19:27

It's a shame Carole wasn't around to be hired to find a wife for Andrew. It might have prevented this mess.

Best comment ever!!

Millymolly99 · 01/03/2026 22:46

BemusedAmerican · 01/03/2026 19:27

It's a shame Carole wasn't around to be hired to find a wife for Andrew. It might have prevented this mess.

Love this!

EasilyDone · 02/03/2026 11:34

Andrew is a wrong‘un. There is no wife that could have stopped him being the depraved person that he is. If he had married a decent woman, that would have just been yet another woman’s life that he ruined.

Carla786 · 02/03/2026 17:06

The thing is, Tom Bower's Revenge, while a bit melodramatic, was generally factually accurate.
Bower stated in it that after Catherine met William at a couple of teenage parties, Carole discussed with her and they jointly agreed for Catherine to switch from Edinburgh to St Andrew's and to take a gap year so they would be contemporaries.

Maybe Bower is wrong, but he gives the impression that Carole was 'shrewd' and deliberately planned those things.

He doesn't seem anti the Middletons, he calls Catherine 'shy and unpretentious' and describes the family as grounded and a good influence on William.

Just because Carole planned those things, it doesn't mean Catherine wasn't herself interested in William & totally on board.

I do wonder why a shy person would want to be queen though. I think the press have been horrible, as have the 'where's Kate?' conspiracy theorists, and it must be extra hard if you're naturally shy.

FancyBiscuitsLevel · 02/03/2026 17:20

I honestly don’t think Carole was “eyes on the prize” of Queen for Catherine, more about getting her into that friendship group. Frankly marrying any of William’s friends would have set her up for a very nice lifestyle. Being one of William’s uni friends would have given her significant cultural capital regardless of who she ended up married to.

Catherines lack of drive career wise may well have been obvious as a teen so setting her up to have the best chance of marrying money was shrewd.

NightBitch · 02/03/2026 19:32

EasilyDone · 02/03/2026 11:34

Andrew is a wrong‘un. There is no wife that could have stopped him being the depraved person that he is. If he had married a decent woman, that would have just been yet another woman’s life that he ruined.

Yes, I completely agree.

Carla786 · 02/03/2026 21:54

FancyBiscuitsLevel · 02/03/2026 17:20

I honestly don’t think Carole was “eyes on the prize” of Queen for Catherine, more about getting her into that friendship group. Frankly marrying any of William’s friends would have set her up for a very nice lifestyle. Being one of William’s uni friends would have given her significant cultural capital regardless of who she ended up married to.

Catherines lack of drive career wise may well have been obvious as a teen so setting her up to have the best chance of marrying money was shrewd.

That would make sense. If Carole was single-mindedly intent on William, why would Catherine have dated other men first? I suppose if there had been some grand plan, that could have been part of it, but seems over-complicated.

Bluebearish · 03/03/2026 00:42

FancyBiscuitsLevel · 02/03/2026 17:20

I honestly don’t think Carole was “eyes on the prize” of Queen for Catherine, more about getting her into that friendship group. Frankly marrying any of William’s friends would have set her up for a very nice lifestyle. Being one of William’s uni friends would have given her significant cultural capital regardless of who she ended up married to.

Catherines lack of drive career wise may well have been obvious as a teen so setting her up to have the best chance of marrying money was shrewd.

This makes a lot of sense.

I've known a few "Carole Middleton" types, and they are obsessed with collecting information and sending their daughters to be in any environment they think is full of well-connected people.

Could be Royals, could be footballers, could be a specific university social scene.

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