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Did Carole Middleton really “engineer” William and Catherine’s relationship?

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TheRealGossipGirl · 31/01/2026 00:29

I came across a thread on Reddit where people were discussing the idea that Carole Middleton deliberately put Catherine in William’s path and essentially made the relationship happen. I don’t really see it that way. I also find that a lot of the more negative commentary about William and Catherine on Reddit tends to come from Harry and Meghan supporters, which makes it quite hard to have a fair or nuanced discussion there.

From what I’ve read, William had already announced he would be taking a gap year before starting at St Andrews, while Catherine was originally due to attend the University of Edinburgh. It’s often suggested that once William’s plans became public, Carole encouraged Catherine to take a gap year too and reapply to St Andrews so they would start in the same year. It’s also widely reported that people in Catherine’s circle were surprised by the sudden change, as she’d never previously shown interest in going to St Andrews.

I can accept that this could have happened. Carole may have encouraged Catherine to apply to St Andrews once she knew William would be there, as a way of putting her in his path. Even so, it was still a gamble with no guarantees - simply attending the same university doesn’t automatically lead to friendships or relationships.

In fact, by most accounts, William didn’t become friends with Catherine straight away, and they were both dating other people. It’s often reported that they began talking more after Catherine stepped in at a party to move on a girl who wouldn’t leave William alone, with his interest really sparked later at the now-famous charity fashion show where Catherine walked the catwalk.

That’s why I struggle with the idea that Carole “engineered” the entire relationship. At most, she could have encouraged a gap year and a different university choice - but she wasn’t there telling Catherine who to speak to, what to say, or how to create chemistry. A ten-year relationship doesn’t happen because of a mother’s planning alone. Ultimately, William had to feel something for Catherine, choose to be with her for a decade, and then decide to marry her.

I can imagine Carole offering fairly typical motherly advice - how to stay calm, what to say, and how not to come across as overly keen - but that’s very different from actively forcing a relationship to happen.

That’s just my take, but I’d be interested to hear what others think.

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quantumbutterfly · 31/01/2026 12:56

I'm sure we're all happy for James that he didn't end up with a female Wickham.

Glitterbiscuits · 31/01/2026 12:59

History of Art degree?
I wonder how she has used this knowledge?
Is she a patron of anything related?

She seems involved in Early Years

FKAT · 31/01/2026 13:03

Um she's really well known for being an enthusiastic photographer and a patron of the arts....V&A, National Portrait Gallery etc

EatYourDamnPie · 31/01/2026 13:06

Does it even matter after all these years?

MrsLeonFarrell · 31/01/2026 13:16

If Catherine went to St Andrew's with the sole aim of dating William the fact she dated someone else there for an extended period is an odd choice.

William of course is well known for being extremely persuadable and putty in the hands of anyone who wants to use him for social advancement (in case anyone takes that seriously, he is actually known for fiercely guarding his social circle and being wary of new people.)

It appears to me that they moved in similar circles, became friends and then developed a romance. Thousands of young adults follow the same path every year. Some of them even chose a university based on whether someone they fancy goes there. I don't know what Catherine's motives were, she has never struck me as someone who can be pushed around by a parent though.

Isn't how they met ultimately irrelevant over 20 years later?

CinnamonJellyBeans · 31/01/2026 13:24

Smart woman.

It turned out well for all concerned.

Lostsadandconfused · 31/01/2026 13:25

I just can’t see it, as a life that Catherine’s parents would have wanted for her. She is apparently quite shy and has worked very hard to overcome that. I don’t think Catherine herself would have had such ambitions for a very public life, scrutinised every second.

Her family are very close and there’s no doubt her parents love her a great deal. After what happened to Diana, what loving parent would want that for their child?

Pippa has the enviable life, married to a billionaire but free to be a SAHM to her kids

PinkPanther57 · 31/01/2026 13:34

Lostsadandconfused · 31/01/2026 13:25

I just can’t see it, as a life that Catherine’s parents would have wanted for her. She is apparently quite shy and has worked very hard to overcome that. I don’t think Catherine herself would have had such ambitions for a very public life, scrutinised every second.

Her family are very close and there’s no doubt her parents love her a great deal. After what happened to Diana, what loving parent would want that for their child?

Pippa has the enviable life, married to a billionaire but free to be a SAHM to her kids

Spot on.

SleepingStandingUp · 31/01/2026 13:39

Yes {mention:Lostsadandconfused}{mention:Lostsadandconfused}i@Lostsadandconfusedi was thinking Pippa has done best our of it. Thrust into circles her famy probably wouldn't have reached to meet a very rich man without the ties of "fame". Invited to cool stuff with her big sister. Free to live her life how she wants

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 31/01/2026 14:57

RudolphRNR · 31/01/2026 00:56

I had friends at St Andrew’s in the same year as the two of them. It was openly known that Catherine had her sights set on William and made it her mission to get in with him at any cost (for example ditching friends to move in different circles). So rather than Carole orchestrating anything I’d say the idea was from Catherine herself. Fair play to her, she got what she wanted and it’s lasted.

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Presumably William must've quite liked her too. Otherwise she could set her sights on him as much as she wished (and I doubt she was the only one) but wouldn't have got very far.

It's always made me laugh the amount of magical powers people credit Carole Middleton with having. How she "engineered" the marriage as if they were chess peices rather than autonomous human beings.

WhereAreWeNow · 31/01/2026 15:03

ohdelay · 31/01/2026 12:49

OP, why is it always the non royal women that people come for? Andrew is front page in most papers on all fours over a very small woman, but today you're thinking about Carole Middleton? Make it make sense.

Exactly. And why is it assumed that it must have been the mum scheming, not the dad?
Who knows? Who cares? It's just depressing this old misogynistic trope of scheming older women, tricking the future king into marrying their daughter. It's straight out of Hans Christian Andersen.

MauriceTheMussel · 31/01/2026 15:04

I went to St A, and it’s just like being at school. There is a KNOWN “cool crowd” and you’d see them about everywhere. So, on a matter of “was it feasible to engineer meetings, crossing paths etc?”, god, absolutely. Equivalent of just going to the 6th Form common room.

LiveLuvLaugh · 31/01/2026 15:06

The Crown isn’t real. All of the dialogue is made up.

JSMill · 31/01/2026 15:10

MauriceTheMussel · 31/01/2026 15:04

I went to St A, and it’s just like being at school. There is a KNOWN “cool crowd” and you’d see them about everywhere. So, on a matter of “was it feasible to engineer meetings, crossing paths etc?”, god, absolutely. Equivalent of just going to the 6th Form common room.

I can just imagine it being like that.

Foggytree · 31/01/2026 15:13

The people writing this on Reddit are hardly hotshot detectives - this was literally a storyline in The Crown.

The later seasons of The Crown seemed to be veering down their own narrative and away from truth (Al-Fayed senior as a twinkly old chap) so imo this is just more of the same.

PinkPanther57 · 31/01/2026 15:20

MauriceTheMussel · 31/01/2026 15:04

I went to St A, and it’s just like being at school. There is a KNOWN “cool crowd” and you’d see them about everywhere. So, on a matter of “was it feasible to engineer meetings, crossing paths etc?”, god, absolutely. Equivalent of just going to the 6th Form common room.

Arguably it’s much easier too, esp if perfectly pleasant, to mix as a smaller pool than, say, Edinburgh.

Pasta4Dinner · 31/01/2026 15:23

The ‘waity’ stuff is getting a bit old now. Clearly they decided not to marry until they were ready to have children otherwise it would have been non stop questions.

Rhaidimiddim · 31/01/2026 15:31

CloakedInGucci · 31/01/2026 10:20

Agreed. It’s always “Kate changed unis, what a social climbing, grasping, manipulative mother she must have” and never “Kate changed unis, what a social climbing, grasping, manipulative father she must have”

And that, right there @m00rfarm , is the applied mysogyny.

bluegreygreen · 31/01/2026 16:31

Foggytree · 31/01/2026 15:13

The people writing this on Reddit are hardly hotshot detectives - this was literally a storyline in The Crown.

The later seasons of The Crown seemed to be veering down their own narrative and away from truth (Al-Fayed senior as a twinkly old chap) so imo this is just more of the same.

Indeed. Since 2022 Netflix has added a disclaimer, calling it a 'fictional dramatisation'.

Their historical consultant says 'When history gets departed from, it's not done casually. It's done on the basis of wanting to convey a particular message that can only be conveyed by invention.'

TikTokker · 31/01/2026 17:13

I think Pippa got the best bet tbh

LookingThroughGlass · 31/01/2026 17:22

Oh, what a load of bollocks. I'm no fan of Kate but this idea is ;ludicrous. What's Carole supposed to have done - secretly hypnotised William to fancy her daughter?

LookingThroughGlass · 31/01/2026 17:25

TikTokker · 31/01/2026 17:13

I think Pippa got the best bet tbh

Tend to agree - super-rich hedge fund bloke with none of the stress of being in the public eye. All else being equal, I'd prefer a rich hedge fund bloke to the heir to the throne.

Endofyear · 31/01/2026 17:26

Oh it's just absolute nonsense 😂

SisterTeatime · 31/01/2026 17:37

The Middletons were obviously massive social climbers, which is hardly a crime, but there have been some cringey moments along the way. But it’s all worked out okay and if it’s true that William likes and feels
comfortable with them then it’s all good really. I think William has been quite fortunate with his in-laws.

Horserider5678 · 31/01/2026 17:59

AplineDaisies · 31/01/2026 00:34

Yes it's known that she encouraged some of the things you mention.
I think she saw something special in her daughter though.

Catherine is nothing special! And no I’m not a Harry and Meghan fan! I just think she’s lazy, even before her illness she and William combined did far less engagements than Charles and Anne.