Andrew - continuing his effort to end the Monarchy

[TheHaplessWit]

Another new story on Andrew today. Photo's have emerged showing that on Epstein's desk, there were emails regarding Epstein paying debts owed by Andrew/Sarah to staff:

https://people.com/epstein-had-emails-staff-ex-prince-andrew-sarah-ferguson-new-photos-show-11880419

Why on Earth was a Prince of England having his staff paid by a sex trafficker?
Doesn't seem "too honourable" to me.

I find it hard to express how disgusted I am by this. What an obscene amount of money to spend on a statue, and during a cost of living crisis. Did she not get enough money and honours lavished on her during her lifetime?

Well, she knew about her son and paid Virginie Giuffre to keep quiet so that shows what her MO was. Keep quiet and carry on.

Catching up but reports are saying MW has moved to the property (Wood Farm - Phil's old haunt and renovated for that old reprobate) he was holding out for in the first place.

I think the reports he's being severely downgraded (to a newly renovated 5 bedder) are misleading at best.

I simply can't see him being prised out of this feather bed landing.

In the actual recording this sounds even worse, he appears tetchy and irritated at being asked this question.

Ed has form for tetchy and irritated.

See his petulant response to the press when quizzed on whether (having been cooped up in a tent all day) they'd enjoyed the gobsmackingly crass 'It's A Royal Knockout'.

There's a reason he's mostly kept on a tight leash...

Agreed.

If the government have any sense they'll pull the plug but how much has been wasted on this proposed monstrosity already?

You’ve reminded me of Sarah Ferguson in that, trying to whip up the crowd. That was all very unedifying, especially the costumes.

I wonder, did Edward know the press had been cooped up all day with limited views / access / catering? It seems like a ridiculous planning oversight, given how many staff would have been available. Or were normal royal staff not permitted to sully themselves by getting involved? Did no-one even think?

An email from Maxwell to Epstein states that she was not aware of anything “improper” at the London home with her visitors.

It really struck me that this sort of stiff Victorian language used by older members of a certain class to moralise to the rest of us should be employed in this context, where “improper” behaviour is now the cause of the speakers long prison sentence. The sheer fucking nerve of these people!

The John Sweeney podcast (hunting Ghislaine as opposed to Chasing Ghislaine) is absolutely jaw dropping on Maxwells childhood.

She was the daddy's girl who had a horrific relationship with her sadistic father Robert. She grew up absolutely depraved

Will give it a listen if I can stomach it.

Most abusers were abused themselves, sadly. No excuses though.

Yeah it was rubbish and he did seem affronted by the question, agreed. Something tells me he's probably being congratulated by those around him for merely acknowledging 'victims' though 🙄

So when they're doing these charity events how do they manage to come across as empathetic, understanding, and engaged?Because they're clearly bothered by pleb centric matters in real life.

It's an interesting dichotomy.

Ed messed up there. Its odd that he didn’t have a more considered response handy. Who’s advising these people?

I seem to remember Edward has a bit of a history of being rude to people. A bit like his father, liked to ' joke' about people not doing proper jobs, while they have been forced to stand there and make small talk with someone whos only ' job' is to make small talk! I dont think he is that good at showing empathy. Considering the Wales kids apparently have to be prepared from toddlers for a life of 'And what do you do?' TLQ's kids are spectacularly bad at it.

The question was 'How are you coping?'

I can think of dozens of more likely (and more appropriate) questions on the subject of AMW/Epstein - and the audience of government representatives isn't likely to be interested in his coping.

I agree about the second half of the response - it sounds like he should have done a better job with a proper statement of support for the victims.

I think he was briefed - to avoid answering questions about this if at all possible, then, if push came to shove, he was told to restrict himself to expressing empathy for the victims. He made a balls up of it though. He certainly wasn’t speaking freely, his syntax is terrible, like he’s struggling to remember the pre-agreed sentences and can’t think on his feet fast enough to work them into his sentences naturalistically. In addition, by saying, “And who are the victims? A lot of victims in this,” he is clearly suggesting that some of the victims may not immediately spring to mind - which does make me think he might be counting Andrew amongst their number, but unless he comes straight out and says so it’s impossible to be 100 per cent sure.

when they're doing these charity events how do they manage to come across as empathetic, understanding, and engaged?Because they're clearly bothered by pleb centric matters in real life

Confirmation bias, @TightlyLacedCorset

Those who oppose or have no interest in these wretches are unlikely to turn up to their various PR jaunts, which rather leaves the type of monarchists who feel honoured to be in their very presence and coo about how wonderful it all was

Hence how a couple of rehearsed comments on the basis of someone else's briefing becomes "Oooooo they were SO well informed" and the most ham fisted attempt to actually do something brings squeals of admiration about this "expert" in their midst

Honestly it’s despicable.

No thought of the victims when, according to Lownie, BP allegedly had a hand in suppressing the original interview with Virginia Giuffre by the Australian ABC network by allegedly threatening to withdraw access to stories about William and Catherine.

No thought of the victims when the RF paid £12 million rather than ruin the Queen’s Platinum Jubilee, preventing Giuffre from getting some closure through her day in court. The money did her no good at all did it?

No thought of the victims when AMW allegedly used his privilege and publicly funded police protection officer contacts to try to dig up dirt to discredit Giuffre. What happened to the Met investigation about that btw?

No thought of the victims in the, according to Lownie, subsequent alleged cover up of all of the above.

Remember we still wouldn’t know any of this had Epstein not faced charges! The Palace would presumably still be covering it up now?

Seriously, how can Edward live with himself when he sits there and tells us we must all think of the victims?

He may not have been personally responsible for any of the above but he is personally benefiting from an institution that prioritised Palace PR over the welfare of trafficked, sexually abused young women.

I'd have expected a better respnse from Edward, considering that his wife does a lot of work with victims of sexual violence.

Yup. He might have said more explicitly, ‘it doesn’t matter how I’m coping. I’m unimportant in this. What matters in this are the victims and my thoughts are with them all. I’m very proud of my wife Sophie’s work in this area. She’s also keen on education, the theme of this event, as a tool for greater learning and understanding … yada yada …’.

Wonder if he was caught on the hop? But that’s not really relevant. He should have been prepared and they all should really with a statement. At least he mentioned the victims. That would have been an excellent statement @TheAutumnCrow

All of this

Can they come back from this? Im
not sure they ever can. I wonder if this is the beginning of the end. The mask has slipped..

I think Charles has to step up now and use this debacle as the springboard fo modernising and revising how the Monarchy operates, they need to slim it down and he needs to publicly comment on what they are doing to prevent family members from using their Royal titles to benefit themselves and, as we are seeing with the Yorks, end up discrediting the monarchy.

This is what any big organisation would do when rocked by a huge scandal like this, they would put measures in place to ensure it cannot happen again.

I don't believe the Monarchy will be disbanded because of the Yorks, but "the Frm" needs a serious and major overhaul.

We are already seeing the Sussex's falling into a similar trap. Historically we know Charles and Sophie got duped by some unsavoury characters, nothing like the Yorks thankfully, but Harry seems to be heading in that direction with his links with Tyler Perry, Oprah, the Kardashians etc.

They cannot continue to think its business as usual.

I dont know who you are IRL so you may be a member of the RF but Ill assume not, so you've come up with a far better, more intelligent and empathetic statement without 500 courtiers and advsors at your disposal! It demonstrates what the RF really think. They need to have someone brief them on how to actually care less about victims.
Its interesting that The Kings statement included The Queen and Sophie has done a lot to work with VAWG, and both of them are ' married in' but the blood Royals sermingly cannot even think of anything to say that demonstrates their empathy without having a statement written out for them. Throughout the whole Andrew saga, from Bea thinking the intervew went brilliantly none of them, or anyone inside the household could even pretend to care about Epsteins victims. There is something very wrong with the culture in that family and the people they surround themselves with.

Yes, something like this, as it's shocking how the RF are maintaining the 'never complain, never explain' mantra in this situation. Maybe both William and Charles together could jointly confront this publicly, I think William has even more credibility now than Charles, and he will possibly find himself in a similar boat as his father, with a brother gone rogue thanks to nothing more than having a British Royal title.

Funny isnt it how tables have turned those that used to criticise others for not shutting up and reversing the rf for their never complain never explain approach are now here advocating the rf shouldn't be now. It was also a stupid strategy. If you take public money you should be transparent and accountable.

🍿 😆 highly entertaining to see the u-turns by some

I see the media tried a few articles to take the heat off this some negative articles even about Kate but the train has left the station and it ain't stopping.

How anyone can defend this institution after all that has been revealed and potentially more to come ....

Noone is squeaky clean and the depth to which the sordid stuff goes is deep.

How Andrew is still allowed to even live on the estate..he should be in jail.

So thoroughly disgusting they deserve our support or our money.