Christmas Day walk in Sandringham

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This is such a strange thing....so the royal family walk along a stretch of path every year and people gather to watch them. These people try to talk to the Wales children and give them presents. They are photographing the children, taking selfies, etc. I think the kids are far too young to do this. It is so odd.

How on earth do William & Catherine think this is okay?!

I’ve been looking through posts of @CurlewKate and recent past threads in general and ironically found you asking for proof from someone else about something they had said. You asked them to use advanced search and implied you didn’t believe them.

Well, we don’t believe you. You are like a dog with a bone on here so if you could provide evidence you would. The fact that you mentioned the piano thread as supporting what you have said shows you have nothing. How embarrassing for you.

I imagine William is feeling virtuous about interacting with someone with obvious mental health problems. After all, it's one of his "things".
Yes. There was no need to involve the kids in this man's delusions. He needs medical invertention not William feeding his fantasies by introducing the kids to him.

I agree. He's now added Kate to his obsession. Seeing a pic of him with a T shirt on plastered all over with pictures of Kate, if I was William I would be seriously worried

Maybe the royals know they are invincible because of the millions (or hundreds of millions) we spend on security for them. It's not like the mere mortals like us who would be shitting themselves with someone so obsessed with them.
I know a bit about stalking from experience, this guy is stalking the Wales family. William should not encourage it

I do sometimes wonder if the royals actually have advisors, security people, the best intelligence, when half the time they don't seem to have a clue

I do sometimes wonder if the royals actually have advisors, security people, the best intelligence, when half the time they don't seem to have a clue.

Perhaps no one feels able to say to William, "look Sir, this person is stalking you and your family, do you think it's wise to encourage them?"

I can't imagine William taking kindly to a perceived criticism of "his way".

The classic easy out for someone that can’t admit they’re wrong.

I think since you dont know the area, its a bit more difficult to understand. They are inside the Windsor Great Park Estate, yes its mostly open to the public, but plenty of it isnt. Most of the inner Village housing inside is for estate employees and they are allowed guests but they enter through manned gates and you often have to give your name and state who you are visiting. Then there is paid for and free car parks for walkers/ ramblers/ whatever, but they still have to stick to certain areas. The only change is one of those areas so that people cant just wander up their driveway! Very sensible if you ask me. The rest of the estate is still vast! Would take hours and hours of walking to cover.

He’s not really stalking them. He stays in places he is allowed to be. He first developed this “interest” in the 1960’s so he’s been doing this years and clearly the royal’s security team do not see him as a threat. There has never been anything that suggests he could be dangerous.

I think it’s fascinating that William introduces the kids to him though. John has an unhealthy over the top obsession with them, but it’s mainly unhealthy for himself. William gives him emotional validation, which is fine as an adult. But to expect the children to do it as well? Well it just says to me that William has completely misread the situation. Katherine has this insane smile on her face, which is telling me she’s like god not this guy again.

In my experience, the wild cards are the dangerous ones. Security recognizes him and has a protocol in place for him. It's the people you've never seen before who cause problems.

They were obviously lying. 🤥

PofW was at our local leisure centre with C who was taking part in a trampolining comp earlier this month. Despite what some of the media spout off, the children interact with 'normal' children a lot. It seems to me they are determined to bring their children up in as normal a way as possible.

He’s not really stalking them. He stays in places he is allowed to be. He first developed this “interest” in the 1960’s so he’s been doing this years and clearly the royal’s security team do not see him as a threat. There has never been anything that suggests he could be dangerous

You may be right. However I could not be comfortable thinking there's someone out there who spends every waking moment thinking about my wife and family. Why encourage that by taking the children over to meet him and perpetuating it
An odd thing to do

He's not a danger to then maybe but they are encouraging his delusions . And what are they teaching the children? Not only about him but about the other people who shoot their name and ŧouch them? That they should have no boundaries? George is treated like a baby when hes nearly a teenager. Will they lose interest in him when hes a surly 15 year old? Will they still be handing him teddies?

If he's on the radar and never oversteps the public events then he's probably harmless. Lots of people have interests that seem weird to others, but that doesn't make them mentally ill. And if they aren't hurting themselves or others, live and let live.

I have a dozen vintage sewing machines in my garage, because I can't bear to see them going for scrap 😂I tinker around and have taught myself how to refurbish them. A friend has taken up breeding a rare breed of hen, and another went from the annual 'January gym membership' into martial arts and trains 6 days a week.

Each to their own...

But none of that affects other people Baital.

It's a different world altogether when someone follows a family wherever they go and sleeps on a park bench for two weeks outside a hospital when the mother is giving birth.
We all have hobbies and peculiarities... but they don't impact on others.

In what way is that impacting on others? If he was thought to be a security risk he would be kept away.

He sleeps on a park bench, he's not trying to break in.

I assume security think he’s unlikely to pull out a knife, but would you really want your young children around someone whose pitiably obvious MH issues cluster around his imaginary relationship with your family to the extent of sleeping out overnight outside a hospital for a lengthy period to be close while two of said children were born?

There's a massive difference between collecting sewing machines and what this man does.

When you start following the makers of sewing machines around, wear t shirts with their images printed all over them, and tell the children of the Singer family that their great grandfather would be proud of them, then you'd have something a bit more than an innocent collection in your garage.

It wouldn't bother me if my child/ren said hello to them. There is someone in our neighborhood who for years has stood in a particular place talking to the cars that drive past, and saying hello to passers by. I explained to DD that he probably has mental health issues, just say hello back and walk on.

Maybe if everyone hurried by, didn't give any eye contact etc he'd stop saying hello. I doubt it, I can't see him getting any feedback from the car drivers.

But it's no big deal.

I would rather DD knows that vulnerable people exist, and don't need to be shut away out of sight.

Talking to cars is completely different to someone’s specific MH issues involving being obsessed with your children to the point of sleeping rough outside the hospitals in which they were born!

I would rather DD knows that vulnerable people exist, and don't need to be shut away out of sight.

Of course, but the royal family don't have a good record on that, given two of
QE2's first cousins were shut away. Google Nerissa and Katharine Bowes-Lyons. Yes it was different times, but one lived until 2014, they were written out of family history.

The park bench thing reminds me of a doctor a friend knew a few years ago. The friend worked for a charity that sent medical professionals to overseas emergency situations. One Dr who worked for them always slept on a park bench if coming for a meeting in London. The charity would have paid for a hotel, as they did for any other staff member attending a meeting and needing to stat overnight, but this Dr always refused...

Deeply odd. But not mentally ill.

I agree that this man is deeply odd, far beyond the usual run of 'quirky hobbies'! But a) why is it for anyone else to stop him, if he has the legal capacity to.make those decisions, and b) why would anyone in the RF be expected to make decisions about capacity? That's an issue for any relevant professionals.

I definitely think that teaching these kids about the parasocial relationships that all the attendees probably have with them, and the mental health issues that some of them may have, is important.

But it’s also important to tell the kids that they’re allowed to have boundaries whilst being polite and sympathetic. No one should be pawing them or giving them food. It’s not just weird, it could be sinister. You only need one person with malevolent intentions pretending to be a harmless oddball in a folding chair.

I have always-within reason- let my children interact with strangers, including some that seem very troubled. I think it’s good for the stranger concerned and for my children as well. However, if the stranger showed signs of obsession with them, or wanted to give them messages from dead relations that really would be the end of the interaction. I think the Wales handled it very badly.And I also don’t care for the play acting- letting people believe they are giving the children things which will of course be rightly be taken away from them immediately. Actually, I think that’s the worst bit for me. So cynical.

But then I work in supported living, so am used to behaviours that would seem strange in more mainstream contexts - and support the right of people to follow their own interests as long as they are not a danger to themselves or others.