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Duke of Sussex security to be reviewed

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bluegreygreen · 08/12/2025 00:54

The Duke of Sussex lost his argument in the Court of Appeal in May for automatic taxpayer security: the current arrangement is that his security needs are assessed on a case-by-case basis provided he gives notice.

He has recently been in touch with the new Home Secretary, and the latest update is that RAVEC has asked its Risk Management Board (RMB) to reassess his threat level.

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IdaGlossop · 08/12/2025 17:09

IcedPurple · 08/12/2025 16:15

I'm more interested in whether or not he paid back the Home Office, ie the taxpayer, for the hundreds of thousands of quid they were forced to pay to fight his stupid Judicial Review.

Has he?

I don't know if he has. I'd like to know too. £500k+.

twinklystar23 · 08/12/2025 17:48

IdaGlossop · 08/12/2025 13:50

I too think it is reasonable for RAVEC to review the threat level to Harry and family after six years. However, the timing is bad for the Royal family if the committee concedes he/they should have armed security when in the UK. The Public Accounts Committee is about to probe the Crown Estate's 'deals' with the royals and tension is rising over how much the UK monarchy costs.

A good outcome would be that the threat level has fallen and the current security arrangement is adequate. This is quite likely as Harry is far less relevant than he was in 2018/9 and therefore less of a target.

Sadly, H is so entitled that whatever is granted will be inadequate and we will have to listen to him telling us that.

Ravec /government have not changed their stance other than Harry needs to give 28/30 days notice presumably for them to meet and review the risk to him/and family. If they consider the threat to warrant security it will be provided. So therefore, they will only review once provided with his intention to travel to the UK, they will also share some information where appropriate to do so with his Harry's own security team. From this information, and knowing that risk is continually assessed it will potentially be done EACH visit, IF the required notice is given. THEREFORE RISK could be assessed more than once per year depending on the frequency of Harry's visits and the required notice. Harry did not want to give notice, and felt he should receive the same as William and Charles. His JR felt that the H.O view was clearly entirely reasonable, hence Harry's case was unsuccessful. Highly trained protection officers are paid from the public purse, not to sit around on standby twiddling their thumbs or as I recall being requested to fetch MM her latte.

IdaGlossop · 08/12/2025 18:00

twinklystar23 · 08/12/2025 17:48

Ravec /government have not changed their stance other than Harry needs to give 28/30 days notice presumably for them to meet and review the risk to him/and family. If they consider the threat to warrant security it will be provided. So therefore, they will only review once provided with his intention to travel to the UK, they will also share some information where appropriate to do so with his Harry's own security team. From this information, and knowing that risk is continually assessed it will potentially be done EACH visit, IF the required notice is given. THEREFORE RISK could be assessed more than once per year depending on the frequency of Harry's visits and the required notice. Harry did not want to give notice, and felt he should receive the same as William and Charles. His JR felt that the H.O view was clearly entirely reasonable, hence Harry's case was unsuccessful. Highly trained protection officers are paid from the public purse, not to sit around on standby twiddling their thumbs or as I recall being requested to fetch MM her latte.

I understand this background. Harry's counsel made great play during the JR of a particular risk assessment not having been done for him that is part of RAVEC's standard procedure. I assume this is still a sticking point with Harry, but the fact that he hasn't been provided with armed security on any of his visits since leaving suggests his threat level has fallen. You have a better understanding than me of the detail. Why do you think the Home Office has agreed to review his circumstances again following his letter?

AppleDumplingWithCustard · 08/12/2025 18:12

What Harry and by extension his wife want is to be whizzed around London in a large convoy with police stopping the traffic to give them priority and the whole hullabaloo of blue lights and sirens. Harry doesn’t want a low-key, discreet approach to security. He wants what William gets and nothing less.

Mylovelygreendress · 08/12/2025 18:22

I can just imagine M saying “ you should have exactly what your brother has”. ( not that she will set foot in the U.K. again).

IcedPurple · 08/12/2025 18:32

AppleDumplingWithCustard · 08/12/2025 18:12

What Harry and by extension his wife want is to be whizzed around London in a large convoy with police stopping the traffic to give them priority and the whole hullabaloo of blue lights and sirens. Harry doesn’t want a low-key, discreet approach to security. He wants what William gets and nothing less.

I agree that Harry wants what his brother has, but William's security is very discreet most of the time. It's not like he has flashing lights and a motorcade to take the kids to school.

I still laugh at the time Harry's security guard was photographed carrying around a Glock, still in its case. Or when one of those 'People' magazine puff pieces made a point of telling us that Meghan's 'bodyguard' did a 'room sweep' before it was safe for the Duchess to enter. As if she was a PM rather than an Instagrammer.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 08/12/2025 18:49

Mylovelygreendress · 08/12/2025 18:22

I can just imagine M saying “ you should have exactly what your brother has”. ( not that she will set foot in the U.K. again).

If so that sounds a pretty cruel thing to do, Mylovelygreendress, since Harry isn't in the same position as his brother and never will be

I get that there may be some manipulation to be had in seeming to be "on his side" when he suggests noone else is, but it doesn't seem a very good route to go down given his obvious mindset

BigWillyLittleTodger · 08/12/2025 18:55

IcedPurple · 08/12/2025 16:15

I'm more interested in whether or not he paid back the Home Office, ie the taxpayer, for the hundreds of thousands of quid they were forced to pay to fight his stupid Judicial Review.

Has he?

Would this come under the Freedom of Information Act I wonder?

Theunamedcat · 08/12/2025 19:00

I'm not sure if this review is a threat or a promise? On one hand they could be appeasing his forever yapping ass on the other hand they could be trying to lower it even more...he might wish he had never kicked the nest

Cardomomle · 08/12/2025 19:34

IcedPurple · 08/12/2025 18:32

I agree that Harry wants what his brother has, but William's security is very discreet most of the time. It's not like he has flashing lights and a motorcade to take the kids to school.

I still laugh at the time Harry's security guard was photographed carrying around a Glock, still in its case. Or when one of those 'People' magazine puff pieces made a point of telling us that Meghan's 'bodyguard' did a 'room sweep' before it was safe for the Duchess to enter. As if she was a PM rather than an Instagrammer.

😂😂
Like the house manager walking in ahead and announcing her, with title, to that interviewer...there was only 2 of them in the room 😂

Curlygirl06 · 08/12/2025 19:39

So when Harry came over several times during his court cases, who were the people jumping out of the car/ walking in front and behind him? Obviously security of some description, privately organised and paid for, or official security as laid on by RAVEC?
He has to give notice he's coming but he doesn't want to do that, just turn up and official security is there just like that? Is that right?
Surely if he's bringing the family over, that's not something that can be organised in 5 minutes, so he'd have time to tell RAVEC that he's coming and appropriate measures put in place.
So what does he actually want?

Mylovelygreendress · 08/12/2025 19:42

He doesn’t want to give 28/30 days notice . He wants his staff to let whoever know that he will be over in the U.K. and the Met automatically spring into action and provide 24/7 armed security . Outriders . The lot.
What William has

Cardomomle · 08/12/2025 20:04

Mylovelygreendress · 08/12/2025 19:42

He doesn’t want to give 28/30 days notice . He wants his staff to let whoever know that he will be over in the U.K. and the Met automatically spring into action and provide 24/7 armed security . Outriders . The lot.
What William has

William doesn't even have that on most of his engagements!

Curlygirl06 · 08/12/2025 20:04

Mylovelygreendress · 08/12/2025 19:42

He doesn’t want to give 28/30 days notice . He wants his staff to let whoever know that he will be over in the U.K. and the Met automatically spring into action and provide 24/7 armed security . Outriders . The lot.
What William has

@Mylovelygreendress thank you, that's what I thought he was after.
Not being in need of security myself, even I can see that 5 minutes notice (not literally, obvs!) that he's coming over with or without the family leaves it a bit short time wise to rustle up a couple of armed officers just like that. Doubt they've got them lolling about somewhere just waiting to spring into action.

chunkyBoo · 08/12/2025 20:05

AppleDumplingWithCustard · 08/12/2025 18:12

What Harry and by extension his wife want is to be whizzed around London in a large convoy with police stopping the traffic to give them priority and the whole hullabaloo of blue lights and sirens. Harry doesn’t want a low-key, discreet approach to security. He wants what William gets and nothing less.

…and let’s not forget, at the cost of the British public purse of course!

IdaGlossop · 08/12/2025 20:13

Cardomomle · 08/12/2025 19:34

😂😂
Like the house manager walking in ahead and announcing her, with title, to that interviewer...there was only 2 of them in the room 😂

The weirdest aspect of that little scene is that it was Meghan who was announced to the visitor, not the other way round.

twinklystar23 · 08/12/2025 20:17

IdaGlossop · 08/12/2025 18:00

I understand this background. Harry's counsel made great play during the JR of a particular risk assessment not having been done for him that is part of RAVEC's standard procedure. I assume this is still a sticking point with Harry, but the fact that he hasn't been provided with armed security on any of his visits since leaving suggests his threat level has fallen. You have a better understanding than me of the detail. Why do you think the Home Office has agreed to review his circumstances again following his letter?

My view is that his security will need ro be reassed for every visit, subject to the required notice period. If his counsel identified a time where this didn't our then the easiest way would be to review his threat, as they would be be required to anyway, as said given the required notice period. My view is that to assess it anyway/or as they are legally obliged to do is an easy way of shutting it down. Harry has not "won" anything more than prior or since the J.R.

Cardomomle · 08/12/2025 20:17

IdaGlossop · 08/12/2025 20:13

The weirdest aspect of that little scene is that it was Meghan who was announced to the visitor, not the other way round.

I know! 😂

EasternStandard · 08/12/2025 20:22

Mylovelygreendress · 08/12/2025 19:42

He doesn’t want to give 28/30 days notice . He wants his staff to let whoever know that he will be over in the U.K. and the Met automatically spring into action and provide 24/7 armed security . Outriders . The lot.
What William has

Grabby

IdaGlossop · 08/12/2025 20:31

Cardomomle · 08/12/2025 20:17

I know! 😂

So much for Meghan's hosting skills. Hosting is all about the host doing something for the guest. It's how she must think royals behave,

Cardomomle · 08/12/2025 20:34

IdaGlossop · 08/12/2025 20:31

So much for Meghan's hosting skills. Hosting is all about the host doing something for the guest. It's how she must think royals behave,

When she knows they certainly don't! It's really about asserting her royal status and titles.

IdaGlossop · 08/12/2025 20:36

Cardomomle · 08/12/2025 20:34

When she knows they certainly don't! It's really about asserting her royal status and titles.

Definitely time for another title stripping.

NotReadyForChristmas2025 · 08/12/2025 20:49

I would love to see titles stripped. Such nonsense all the time from both of them.

lickingfingertastingfood · 08/12/2025 21:02

IdaGlossop · 08/12/2025 20:13

The weirdest aspect of that little scene is that it was Meghan who was announced to the visitor, not the other way round.

ridiculous GIF

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Gotback · 08/12/2025 21:16

NotReadyForChristmas2025 · 08/12/2025 20:49

I would love to see titles stripped. Such nonsense all the time from both of them.

And such tawdry nonsense. They're disgusting. Wasting all this government time & money when they reckon they're the humanitarians of the pigging year.

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