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Thomas Markle very ill

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Viviennemary · 03/12/2025 20:14

I've just read Thomas Markle is in hospital intensive care. He has been treated poorly by Meghan. I doubt if the pair will have anything to say about this. Though they've always plenty to say about a lot of things. Doubt they'll be rushing to his bedside.

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LidlAmaretto · 11/12/2025 08:32

NewAgeNewMe · 11/12/2025 05:09

Thank you I read about the shocking incident. I don’t remember hearing the expression before. But I’m only on MN so probably why. Or it’s just bypassed me. Most likely.

Theres a book called ' cultish' which is an interesting account of the Jonestown massacre ( amongst other things).

NewAgeNewMe · 11/12/2025 08:41

Thank you I’ll take a look. Such a tragedy.

ThePoshUns · 11/12/2025 08:50

I have heard the expression about drinking kool aid but had no idea of where it came from. What a terrible event.

Ohpleeeease · 11/12/2025 08:59

Sleetandice533 · 11/12/2025 06:34

Obviously I respect your differing opinions Ohpleeeease.

It’s perhaps best if we agree to disagree?

I think how the leak emerged at a very critical moment is extremely suspicious and an important question to ask. And I frankly don’t understand how many people are not asking about it!

I disagree that BP have always remained silent in the past. For sure, they like to give the appearance they do. But in reality they frequently “speak” through friends or make their views known through sympathetic third parties in other ways. I think a lot of hurt and distress is caused by their methods of operating actually.

As for outsiders not being treated the same, as blood family; of course, that is bound to happen to an extent but marrying in involves a job too, even they call it The Firm, and there need to be transparent professional standards that apply both ways surely, whether you have just joined as an outsider or not. And these should be subject to external review.

I think we all put a lot of trust in the RF in handling their own staff, finances, internal enquiries, but when matters have come come to light in the past, BP and the RF have not always shown to be operating correctly, in fact they have covered up alleged criminality, so why does everyone just happily accept their side of things without questioning further?

Jason Knauf hasn’t remained that discreet about his time working with M&H; he may not have been particularly direct, but he has appeared on quite a few interviews defending the RF and I wouldn’t exactly call him objective. In fact, his 60 minute Australian interview I found to be a highly strategic choice. And he is American so will have good PR contacts there presumably? Once H&M’s reputation.was sullied in Oz, UK, and USA, the main English-speaking nations, they were essentially cancelled.

What is curious is that normally, if a member, or ex member. of the RF’s staff breaks cover, and gives interviews, say a butler or a spokesperson, they are cut off by the Palace immediately and quite ruthlessly. But in this instance, JK was given a job and an award. Does no one else find this strange? Seriously?

The RF control how their image is spun by asking people to sign NDAs, by making deals about press access, eg Andrew, Giuffre and ABC, using stories about different members of the family as leverage, leaking stories through friends and favoured broadcasters, who are then rewarded through awards, or gifts. Didn’t King Charles buy Fawcett a house in Highgate? Basically they can throw money at an issue to make it go away! Allegedly £12 million to avoid a court case in Andrew’s case.

Why are you all so prepared to believe them so uncritically?

We wouldn’t accept these standards from other public bodies that are meant to serve us. Nor would they be allowed to investigate themselves.

We can certainly agree to differ, and I acknowledge the points you make. Objectivity is a difficult place to find, from both sides.

The inner workings of the monarchy are a mystery but one would be naive to think that an institution that had survived for centuries was not capable of being ruthless in the interests of self preservation.

Part of that is dealing with destructive components and cutting them out.

simpsonthecat · 11/12/2025 09:11

What a shame they took decades to cut out (or temper) the Andrew & Sarah 'destructive component'

Benjithedog · 11/12/2025 09:27

simpsonthecat · 11/12/2025 09:11

What a shame they took decades to cut out (or temper) the Andrew & Sarah 'destructive component'

But this thread isn’t about Andrew or Sarah. You could start another one about them but everyone would agree they are vile people

MrsFinkelstein · 11/12/2025 09:30

Sleetandice533 · 10/12/2025 15:56

Why couldn’t they simply redact the names of the alleged victims as is common practice when reporting court cases throughout the land?

Because, even if redacted, as the (as it was initially joint Cambridge & Sussex) KP staff weren't that numerous, it would be very obvious who the staff were - those who complained, those witnesses who corroborated.

Justdancevance · 11/12/2025 10:28

it must be terrifying to be in a foreign country with potentially very large medical bills and ongoing nursing needs.

Will he even make it out of hospital now due to his age, health and care needs. The DM have probably agreed to look after his medical bills and he’s providing a lot of material for them.

They both seem to be using each other. Unless Harry and Meghan step in to foot the bills, he probably doesn’t feel he has much choice

Sleetandice533 · 11/12/2025 10:30

Ohpleeeease · 11/12/2025 08:59

We can certainly agree to differ, and I acknowledge the points you make. Objectivity is a difficult place to find, from both sides.

The inner workings of the monarchy are a mystery but one would be naive to think that an institution that had survived for centuries was not capable of being ruthless in the interests of self preservation.

Part of that is dealing with destructive components and cutting them out.

Can certainly agree wholeheartedly with your first para Ohpleeeease 👍

I would argue though that the inner workings should not be a mystery when an institution serves the country and is funded by the tax payer.

Ohpleeeease · 11/12/2025 10:39

Sleetandice533 · 11/12/2025 10:30

Can certainly agree wholeheartedly with your first para Ohpleeeease 👍

I would argue though that the inner workings should not be a mystery when an institution serves the country and is funded by the tax payer.

In an ideal world I’d agree. But we don’t live in one. The same could be said of government!

I think William will bring more transparency, it remains to be seen how much.

CurlewKate · 11/12/2025 11:00

Ohpleeeease · 11/12/2025 10:39

In an ideal world I’d agree. But we don’t live in one. The same could be said of government!

I think William will bring more transparency, it remains to be seen how much.

Why do you think he will bring more transparency?

TicklishReader · 11/12/2025 11:03

He doesn't need his daughter there. He has his "friend", Daily Mail journalist Caroline Graham to keep him company.

And people wonder why she hasn't rushed to visit him?

Thedom · 11/12/2025 11:14

Well, she didn’t rush to visit him when he had a stroke and lived an hours private jet flight away from him, nor when he had a heart attack

I don’t think it’s a coincidence that her PR appear to be in panic mode trying to put a lid on this, wonder if she wasn’t currently selling a ‘family is everything’ Netflix storyline would there be this manic effort to move the needle on the narrative of Meghan not giving a crap about her father. Its crises management mode for someone who doesn’t have the most stellar reputation.

Benjithedog · 11/12/2025 11:16

Thedom · 11/12/2025 11:14

Well, she didn’t rush to visit him when he had a stroke and lived an hours private jet flight away from him, nor when he had a heart attack

I don’t think it’s a coincidence that her PR appear to be in panic mode trying to put a lid on this, wonder if she wasn’t currently selling a ‘family is everything’ Netflix storyline would there be this manic effort to move the needle on the narrative of Meghan not giving a crap about her father. Its crises management mode for someone who doesn’t have the most stellar reputation.

Precisely. It’s not a good reflection of her if she’s seen as not doing anything about her father. It’s all about optics baby

TwotierChristmas · 11/12/2025 11:19

@TheAutumnCrow thanks for that info about the kool aid how sinister.

@Sleetandice533 I agree with much of what your saying.
I can't believe that h and m still get more traction here than Andrew ,Sarah etc.

ThePoshUns · 11/12/2025 11:24

Because everyone agrees just how awful Andrew and Sarah are? It would be a boring thread with everyone agreeing?

Thedom · 11/12/2025 11:40

Let’s see if there is new stuff about the Yorks in the latest release of Epstein files, it’s all pretty quiet on that front it appears.

PinkPanther57 · 11/12/2025 11:43

Thedom · 11/12/2025 11:14

Well, she didn’t rush to visit him when he had a stroke and lived an hours private jet flight away from him, nor when he had a heart attack

I don’t think it’s a coincidence that her PR appear to be in panic mode trying to put a lid on this, wonder if she wasn’t currently selling a ‘family is everything’ Netflix storyline would there be this manic effort to move the needle on the narrative of Meghan not giving a crap about her father. Its crises management mode for someone who doesn’t have the most stellar reputation.

She’s apparently written a letter?

Justdancevance · 11/12/2025 11:45

Everyone agrees Andrew and Sarah are awful. They are a salutary tale about proceeding with caution when you have nothing to offer but your titles, and to look carefully at the opportunities presented and the people presenting them.

Are H&M at the point of recognising that they are similarly talentless, and cheeky chappie perception turns to pervy prince easily that this age. That they have well peaked jn terms of earning potential so they would be better served trying to ‘retrench’ rather than trying desperately to find money to fund the lifetyle they think they deserve on the sole basis of being RF adjacent

lickingfingertastingfood · 11/12/2025 11:56

Is this a " what about Andrew?" thread?

CurlewKate · 11/12/2025 13:17

I’m still fascinated by the thinking here. The normal Mumsnet wisdom is that you have a perfect, unchallengeable right to go permanently NC with your parents at any time. Unless, apparantly, you are the DofS. Despite the fact that we know as much about the details of her relationship with her father as we do about mumsnetuser2176’s relationship with hers.

Grrrpredictivetex · 11/12/2025 13:22

TicklishReader · 11/12/2025 11:03

He doesn't need his daughter there. He has his "friend", Daily Mail journalist Caroline Graham to keep him company.

And people wonder why she hasn't rushed to visit him?

Is she friends with Bryony Gordon H and Megs mate?

CatHairEveryWhereNow · 11/12/2025 13:35

CurlewKate · 11/12/2025 13:17

I’m still fascinated by the thinking here. The normal Mumsnet wisdom is that you have a perfect, unchallengeable right to go permanently NC with your parents at any time. Unless, apparantly, you are the DofS. Despite the fact that we know as much about the details of her relationship with her father as we do about mumsnetuser2176’s relationship with hers.

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She does - but then any commuication made on the matter should reflect this - either silence and no comment or this is a very painful complex situation wish him all best but not in contact.

Not I lost his number, don't know which hospital he's in - sent man in ICU or just out an e-mail to old address now it's his fault - sent a hand written note.

I can see her being very upset by it all whatever their relationship is - but professionals she employs should have managed this so much better - had a plan.

TheAutumnCrow · 11/12/2025 13:57

CurlewKate · 11/12/2025 13:17

I’m still fascinated by the thinking here. The normal Mumsnet wisdom is that you have a perfect, unchallengeable right to go permanently NC with your parents at any time. Unless, apparantly, you are the DofS. Despite the fact that we know as much about the details of her relationship with her father as we do about mumsnetuser2176’s relationship with hers.

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There isn’t a monolithic view of estrangement from parents on MN though. If one goes to the Relationships board rather than the febrile, troll-ridden pit of stupidity that is AIBU, one frequently sees posters writing very poignantly about the guilt, emotional pain and regrets of estrangement, and learning to live with the echoes of memories good and bad.

Only a sociopathic or disordered personality type can just walk away unscathed from the complex feelings of guilt around the discarding of one’s parent(s), even after the most awful behaviours have been present.

The Relationships board btw is a very good place for sensitive discussion of the ‘FOG’ (fear, obligation and guilt) and enmeshment around and within families, if anyone is ever in need of support.