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"He loves me so boldly...." - Haarpers Interview with Meghan

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Phase42 · 20/11/2025 09:53

https://www.harpersbazaar.com/culture/film-tv/a69289143/meghan-markle-cover-story-interview-2025/

She's a beautiful woman but i can't understand why she just doesn't drop the titles and be herself. And it's odd how she talks about how much 'H' loves her but not how much she loves him.

Meghan, the Duchess of Sussex, Meets Her Moment

After years of being subsumed by other people’s narratives, she's ready to author her own next chapter

https://www.harpersbazaar.com/culture/film-tv/a69289143/meghan-markle-cover-story-interview-2025/

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3peassuit · 22/11/2025 12:12

So much for the "I'm Meghan days". It's a wonder she doesn't go around with a team of heralds in full livery to announce her presence.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 22/11/2025 12:16

Spotify podcasts were a prime example (of squandering opportunities). Not even bothering to do the interviews herself other than the two a listers and having her voice dubbed over to pretend she did

I honestly thought that story was made up when I first read it, @Wickedlittledancer, and can still hardly believe it was true

You'd think, offered a contract like that, they'd do everything possible to deliver, and sending the message that they're not important enough to interview in person really isn't it

FenellaFeldman · 22/11/2025 12:18

3peassuit · 22/11/2025 12:12

So much for the "I'm Meghan days". It's a wonder she doesn't go around with a team of heralds in full livery to announce her presence.

I think the monogrammed notepaper with the coronet is only one example. I suspect that a coronet and title decorates more than just her notepaper and envelopes! 😂
👑

FenellaFeldman · 22/11/2025 12:19

Puzzledandpissedoff · 22/11/2025 12:16

Spotify podcasts were a prime example (of squandering opportunities). Not even bothering to do the interviews herself other than the two a listers and having her voice dubbed over to pretend she did

I honestly thought that story was made up when I first read it, @Wickedlittledancer, and can still hardly believe it was true

You'd think, offered a contract like that, they'd do everything possible to deliver, and sending the message that they're not important enough to interview in person really isn't it

They both just seem a bit lazy, really.

Indianrollerbird · 22/11/2025 12:33

Didn't Meghan introduce the Archetypes podcast as her being able to have "her voice". Maybe the reason she's bleating about only now having "her voice" is because she was too lazy to use her voice when she got a multi million dollar deal all those years ago, instead leaving it to a producer to use her (the producer's) voice, talent and concept, and then just stealing the results. Poor Meghan. Ever the victim. Those nasty people doing all the work to try to make her look good.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/QxTKvMpUoP8

Before you continue to YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/QxTKvMpUoP8

BoudiccaRuled · 22/11/2025 12:50

LaMarschallin · 22/11/2025 10:19

Wickedlittledancer
Or when she was proclaiming that Harry loved her the most. Very few mothers with young children would even think to utter such a thing.

That was one of the things that really raised my eyebrows.
People here often mention the "Stately Homes" MN threads and one thing that comes up repeatedly is the damage done by parents who put their love affair above their love for their children.
However, I suspect that, in reality, Harry really does love his children more than anyone else.

Edited

I read this totally the opposite to everyone else, understanding that Harry loved her more than anyone else loved her. So he loved her more than her parents do, more than her exes, more than her friends - which really wouldn't be a surprise.
I now see that I misread it. It's rather a spiteful, playground-esque comment, isn't it? He likes me more than he likes anyone else. Nut nur nu nur nur.

JSMill · 22/11/2025 12:57

Indianrollerbird · 22/11/2025 12:33

Didn't Meghan introduce the Archetypes podcast as her being able to have "her voice". Maybe the reason she's bleating about only now having "her voice" is because she was too lazy to use her voice when she got a multi million dollar deal all those years ago, instead leaving it to a producer to use her (the producer's) voice, talent and concept, and then just stealing the results. Poor Meghan. Ever the victim. Those nasty people doing all the work to try to make her look good.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/QxTKvMpUoP8

She’s obsessed with her bloody voice isn’t she?

Indianrollerbird · 22/11/2025 13:04

JSMill · 22/11/2025 12:57

She’s obsessed with her bloody voice isn’t she?

She was obsessed with it before she married Harry. Remember the one and only "Fab 4" panel interview? Where she went on a not sequitur about women using their voices? Funny how she claims she wasn't able to use hers for a whole 7 years up until around yesterday. I suspect that it's part of her victim/disassociation/blame game narrative every time one of her projects goes wrong or gets slammed. "That wasn't my voice, this next project, this one is my voice." She already lined up the narrative with As Ever/With Love, claiming it was a Netflix exec who told her to do it.

JSMill · 22/11/2025 13:09

Mylovelygreendress · 22/11/2025 11:07

The leaving announcement ( again). Read and cringe

IIRC HMQ only had a few minutes notice before that announcement came out. A key word in that statement is ‘collaborate’. They hated where they were in the hierarchy and this was a way of taking control.

RedTagAlan · 22/11/2025 13:09

Indianrollerbird · 22/11/2025 12:33

Didn't Meghan introduce the Archetypes podcast as her being able to have "her voice". Maybe the reason she's bleating about only now having "her voice" is because she was too lazy to use her voice when she got a multi million dollar deal all those years ago, instead leaving it to a producer to use her (the producer's) voice, talent and concept, and then just stealing the results. Poor Meghan. Ever the victim. Those nasty people doing all the work to try to make her look good.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/QxTKvMpUoP8

I think another factor that cheesed people off, us normies who watch podcasts, see the effort the creators put in. They buy their kit, build their studios, script, present, edit, upload. They do it all, and they work really hard to build it.

She done none of that. She was paid millions, had pro workers doing it all, and then she claims to be a podcaster.

JSMill · 22/11/2025 13:11

Indianrollerbird · 22/11/2025 13:04

She was obsessed with it before she married Harry. Remember the one and only "Fab 4" panel interview? Where she went on a not sequitur about women using their voices? Funny how she claims she wasn't able to use hers for a whole 7 years up until around yesterday. I suspect that it's part of her victim/disassociation/blame game narrative every time one of her projects goes wrong or gets slammed. "That wasn't my voice, this next project, this one is my voice." She already lined up the narrative with As Ever/With Love, claiming it was a Netflix exec who told her to do it.

Edited

I know! I remember watching that on TV thinking WTF is she going on about?! I really wanted to like her at that point but she was so cringeworthy.

Indianrollerbird · 22/11/2025 13:16

JSMill · 22/11/2025 13:11

I know! I remember watching that on TV thinking WTF is she going on about?! I really wanted to like her at that point but she was so cringeworthy.

Me too! Made a lot of effort celebrating that wedding. Why did they call it? "The Spectacle."

Mylovelygreendress · 22/11/2025 13:17

JSMill · 22/11/2025 13:09

IIRC HMQ only had a few minutes notice before that announcement came out. A key word in that statement is ‘collaborate’. They hated where they were in the hierarchy and this was a way of taking control.

They sent a copy of their statement ( which I posted earlier) to Charles and William 10 minutes before they released it . HMTLQ knew they were unhappy but had insisted that Harry speak to his father and told him not to release the statement .
The rest , as they say, is history.

Wickedlittledancer · 22/11/2025 13:20

JSMill · 22/11/2025 12:57

She’s obsessed with her bloody voice isn’t she?

I think the thing about the archetypes podcasts was when you interview someone it’s about them. Their voice. Not you, the interviewer. So she did the famous two, because there was something in it for her, she wanted to ingratiate herself. With the others, it was about giving them a voice. Ans she had no reason to ingratiate herself, so didn’t bother even turning up.

her wanting a voice is it is about her, giving her a platform. She has no desire to give anyone else a voice.

ShamedBySiri · 22/11/2025 13:34

Someone on another thread mentioned that in some circles she is derided as a modern day Undine Spragg. Although I have previously read some Edith Wharton I hadn’t read this book and was prompted to address the omission. Thank you to whoever it was that pointed the way. I am enjoying it very much, about half way through now.

The parallels with Undine are so numerous and so similar that if anyone told me the book had been written within the last couple of years as a stealth revenge parody by an ex staff member I would have believed it. Early on, when she is newly engaged and cheerfully regales her soon to be in-laws with her view that a friend is likely to divorce a husband who isn’t up to scratch is so excruciating I cringed to read it. Whilst I doubt Meghan was tactless enough to chatter on about the matter of divorce, I can easily picture her seated next to Prince Phillip and expounding on her plans to shake up the Royal family with her much improved way of doing things. Then there is her excitement at the attention and admiration and her portrait brings - so very relevant today. I also find it amusing that her son is generally referred to as “the boy” - although possibly this was common at the time as she isn’t the only person who prefers this expression to his actual name, but it does bear comparison to her refusal to name Harry, preferring to refer to her husband or H or “that man”.

Of course there have always been gold digging social climbers. As a child, attending a pony club event on the Vestey estate, my mother overheard the then Lady Vestey telling friends she only married his Lordship for the alimony. Mum was shocked and outraged. I had no idea what allymunny was but was intrigued by the reaction this had provoked. Funnily enough, (we really aren’t a family of eavesdroppers 😅) my sister had a similar experience years later, at Ascot, which she attended regularly due to her husband’s work in the bloodstock trade. Friends of the then Susan Lilley chattered that poor Susan really needed a new husband as Peter (Lilley) was so boring. She went on to become the second Mrs Susan Sangster, marrying the wealthy racehorse owner Robert Sangster. She eventually got her comeuppance being branded a career divorcee by a judge after trying to overturn the pre-nuptial agreement made with her fourth husband.

_https://www.standard.co.uk/hp/front/ps18m-susan-sangster-is-a-career-divorcee-says-husband-no4-6643861.html_it

What makes Meghan stand out is her exceptional perseverance, tenacity and self belief which vastly exceed her abilities or talents. She has been much helped by living in the age of the internet. In a more deferential time I very much doubt the press and other outlets would have given her the opportunity to air her grievances, let alone profit from them.

Back to Undine Spragg “The Custom of the Country” - we should really have a read along thread…so much material for entertaining discussion - anyone?

£18m Susan Sangster is a career divorcée says husband No4

A wealth of husbands: Susan Sangster

https://www.standard.co.uk/hp/front/ps18m-susan-sangster-is-a-career-divorcee-says-husband-no4-6643861.html

Indianrollerbird · 22/11/2025 13:39

Back to Undine Spragg “The Custom of the Country” - we should really have a read along thread…so much material for entertaining discussion - anyone?

I ordered it yesterday - I'd be happy to join in!

ShamedBySiri · 22/11/2025 13:40

Oooh. Let's. Any other takers? I know there are other posters already familiar with the book.

PinkPanther57 · 22/11/2025 13:42

ShamedBySiri · 22/11/2025 13:34

Someone on another thread mentioned that in some circles she is derided as a modern day Undine Spragg. Although I have previously read some Edith Wharton I hadn’t read this book and was prompted to address the omission. Thank you to whoever it was that pointed the way. I am enjoying it very much, about half way through now.

The parallels with Undine are so numerous and so similar that if anyone told me the book had been written within the last couple of years as a stealth revenge parody by an ex staff member I would have believed it. Early on, when she is newly engaged and cheerfully regales her soon to be in-laws with her view that a friend is likely to divorce a husband who isn’t up to scratch is so excruciating I cringed to read it. Whilst I doubt Meghan was tactless enough to chatter on about the matter of divorce, I can easily picture her seated next to Prince Phillip and expounding on her plans to shake up the Royal family with her much improved way of doing things. Then there is her excitement at the attention and admiration and her portrait brings - so very relevant today. I also find it amusing that her son is generally referred to as “the boy” - although possibly this was common at the time as she isn’t the only person who prefers this expression to his actual name, but it does bear comparison to her refusal to name Harry, preferring to refer to her husband or H or “that man”.

Of course there have always been gold digging social climbers. As a child, attending a pony club event on the Vestey estate, my mother overheard the then Lady Vestey telling friends she only married his Lordship for the alimony. Mum was shocked and outraged. I had no idea what allymunny was but was intrigued by the reaction this had provoked. Funnily enough, (we really aren’t a family of eavesdroppers 😅) my sister had a similar experience years later, at Ascot, which she attended regularly due to her husband’s work in the bloodstock trade. Friends of the then Susan Lilley chattered that poor Susan really needed a new husband as Peter (Lilley) was so boring. She went on to become the second Mrs Susan Sangster, marrying the wealthy racehorse owner Robert Sangster. She eventually got her comeuppance being branded a career divorcee by a judge after trying to overturn the pre-nuptial agreement made with her fourth husband.

_https://www.standard.co.uk/hp/front/ps18m-susan-sangster-is-a-career-divorcee-says-husband-no4-6643861.html_it

What makes Meghan stand out is her exceptional perseverance, tenacity and self belief which vastly exceed her abilities or talents. She has been much helped by living in the age of the internet. In a more deferential time I very much doubt the press and other outlets would have given her the opportunity to air her grievances, let alone profit from them.

Back to Undine Spragg “The Custom of the Country” - we should really have a read along thread…so much material for entertaining discussion - anyone?

Can M have read it too?

PinkPanther57 · 22/11/2025 13:42

ShamedBySiri · 22/11/2025 13:40

Oooh. Let's. Any other takers? I know there are other posters already familiar with the book.

Yep.

ShamedBySiri · 22/11/2025 13:49

A word of warning @Indianrollerbird my copy has a long introduction dissecting the book. If you don't like spoilers you might want to give that a miss. I read it, as it's not like a murder mystery big reveal, and it offers a wider overview although at the same time I was impatient to move on to the actual book rather than read twenty pages of pre-discussion.

ShamedBySiri · 22/11/2025 13:50

PinkPanther57 · 22/11/2025 13:42

Can M have read it too?

I'm seriously considering wrapping up a copy and sending it to her for Christmas. 🤣

Lifestooshort71 · 22/11/2025 13:52

But surely Prince Philip wouldn't have got the message as he'd have been wading through her word salad ("What on earth is the gal saying?")

Indianrollerbird · 22/11/2025 13:57

ShamedBySiri · 22/11/2025 13:49

A word of warning @Indianrollerbird my copy has a long introduction dissecting the book. If you don't like spoilers you might want to give that a miss. I read it, as it's not like a murder mystery big reveal, and it offers a wider overview although at the same time I was impatient to move on to the actual book rather than read twenty pages of pre-discussion.

Ah, noted, thank you! I'll get straight to the good stuff!

IcedPurple · 22/11/2025 14:10

ShamedBySiri · 22/11/2025 13:34

Someone on another thread mentioned that in some circles she is derided as a modern day Undine Spragg. Although I have previously read some Edith Wharton I hadn’t read this book and was prompted to address the omission. Thank you to whoever it was that pointed the way. I am enjoying it very much, about half way through now.

The parallels with Undine are so numerous and so similar that if anyone told me the book had been written within the last couple of years as a stealth revenge parody by an ex staff member I would have believed it. Early on, when she is newly engaged and cheerfully regales her soon to be in-laws with her view that a friend is likely to divorce a husband who isn’t up to scratch is so excruciating I cringed to read it. Whilst I doubt Meghan was tactless enough to chatter on about the matter of divorce, I can easily picture her seated next to Prince Phillip and expounding on her plans to shake up the Royal family with her much improved way of doing things. Then there is her excitement at the attention and admiration and her portrait brings - so very relevant today. I also find it amusing that her son is generally referred to as “the boy” - although possibly this was common at the time as she isn’t the only person who prefers this expression to his actual name, but it does bear comparison to her refusal to name Harry, preferring to refer to her husband or H or “that man”.

Of course there have always been gold digging social climbers. As a child, attending a pony club event on the Vestey estate, my mother overheard the then Lady Vestey telling friends she only married his Lordship for the alimony. Mum was shocked and outraged. I had no idea what allymunny was but was intrigued by the reaction this had provoked. Funnily enough, (we really aren’t a family of eavesdroppers 😅) my sister had a similar experience years later, at Ascot, which she attended regularly due to her husband’s work in the bloodstock trade. Friends of the then Susan Lilley chattered that poor Susan really needed a new husband as Peter (Lilley) was so boring. She went on to become the second Mrs Susan Sangster, marrying the wealthy racehorse owner Robert Sangster. She eventually got her comeuppance being branded a career divorcee by a judge after trying to overturn the pre-nuptial agreement made with her fourth husband.

_https://www.standard.co.uk/hp/front/ps18m-susan-sangster-is-a-career-divorcee-says-husband-no4-6643861.html_it

What makes Meghan stand out is her exceptional perseverance, tenacity and self belief which vastly exceed her abilities or talents. She has been much helped by living in the age of the internet. In a more deferential time I very much doubt the press and other outlets would have given her the opportunity to air her grievances, let alone profit from them.

Back to Undine Spragg “The Custom of the Country” - we should really have a read along thread…so much material for entertaining discussion - anyone?

What makes Meghan stand out is her exceptional perseverance, tenacity and self belief which vastly exceed her abilities or talents.

Again, I don't think she has perseverance or tenacity at all.

Perseverance, to me, suggests sticking at something despite difficulties and challenges. Meghan is the opposite of that. She gave up on royal life, with all its unique opportunities, after less than two years. Since then, she has jettisoned all her 'projects' once they got boring or didn't yield instant results. "As Ever" is probably next in the firing line.

As for 'self belief' I think, as I said earlier, that it's more a lack of introspection or self awareness. She seems to think that now she's a Duchess, the world owes her deference. But to me, that's not so much 'self belief' as an obsession with external validation. Not at all the same thing imo.

Benjithedog · 22/11/2025 14:17

Wickedlittledancer · 22/11/2025 12:04

To be fair I don’t think flogging jam etc was on her to do list when they left, it’s more everything else has failed, simply as they have no skill set as content creators. But the opportunities they had, were squandered.

spotify podcasts were a prime example. Not even bothering to do the interviews herself other than the two a listers and having her voice dubbed over to pretend she did. Harry’s mad idea he could interview trump and Putin about their child hoods, they clearly both thought that was going to be a goer. Utterly deluded. No interest in people of achievement, women who achieved, unless they were a celeb. So little interest she didn’t even bother to meet them, never mind interview them,

i recall a staff member saying they were utterly baffled that they were genuinely expected to work. And not just out their name to stuff and turn up and do publicity things,

so flogging jams is the last hurrah, it is clearly a flop, so she will try to find something else. They obviously wanted half in half out again, and tried, until the palace said no chance, the speed in which the daily leaks about them coming back stopped , the kids going to school here, them all going to invictus together, was neck braking, it was absolutely immediate after the palace said it was not an option,

i do feel sorry for Charles, to know your own son tries to use you like that, offering a relationship up to get something, it is brutal.

its all about money and fame, hanging out with a listers and powerful people. Being seen as part of that crowd. It has been all along, we saw it at the wedding, with people they’d never even met invited simply as they were Hollywood a listers.

Perfect description of the pair

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