Harry appreciates a red dress ...

[ozarina]

He was really enjoying this 😂 as opposed to what he's seen previously .. but what's the story about the Sussex photos being deleted ?

IMHO, while H seem to operate at a parallel line to reality, M seems to be more astute. I expect that by now at least M understands that the publication of Endgame was the endgame for H&M in terms of any hope of being working royals, so reconciliation does not equal M returning and cutting ribbons on a rainy Tuesday in Stoke.

H's social capital was solely established on his ability to access a Head of State at any time, due to the fact that the Head of State was his dear grandmother. His status was further reinforced by the fact that the next three Heads of State would be his father, his brother and his nephew...with the expectation that he would maintain access at will.

That social capital = dollars. The lucrative entertainment industry deals at Netflix and Spotify were predicated on the assumption that H would have ongoing access to the royal family even after moving to California. But once the bridges to the royal family were nuked via interviews, books, press releases and their Sussex Squad's relentless online attacks, H & M's social capital evaporated alongside their access to the royal family.

Even worse, as a previous poster rightly pointed out, association with the Sussexes decreased the chances of association with the royal family as whole and in particular future KW5 and future KG7...key centers of political gravity for the next seven to eight decades.

I can't see M being anything other than supportive of reconciliation since H has no way back. A more cordial relationship with the royal family represents 100% upside for H&M and their struggling "joy" rebrand.

Also, I do wonder if things also went awry when it was found out how much of their narrative was false? It can't be a good selling point to be so dishonest. How can they be trusted?

😂😂😂

Nobody is ignoring the fact that Harry has his neck in a noose but he did put it there himself.

There was a lot of goodwill towards them when they first left the RF. Things started to change with the OW interview, then the NF series and then Spare. If they had just stayed quiet, perhaps people would feel more positively about them. Unfortunately the only thing they had to make money was their story so they couldn’t do that.

I don't know , because I don't know them . But from what is reported , and not all of it is X / trashy reports - it looks like H wants to reconcile with the RF. I can understand that. He appears to be pretty much estranged from his family & the RF is like a family business as well as relatives. I can see him want to repair his relationship with his father at least. MM I think always wanted a glitzy lifestyle with A listers and to a large extent she has that. Fair play - of course the title helps (i.e is where she is where she is today ) But they don't seem to be moving with one accord. I suspect Harry might have cottoned on to how cossetted he was in the RF , ie life made very easy & M won't want those titles gone. Partying with the Ks doesn't square a circle with Remembrance Sunday though. Hard to see ( to me) , how they can both have what they want But just one opinion of many.

I really liked the earrings

I don’t recognise your username so have no idea if you are new to these threads or not, but many of us have been on these threads since Meghan married Harry, we have been saying for years and years on here that Harry is in a marriage of, coercive control and if Harry had been Harriet things may not have played out the way they have, so your assumption is totally wrong that because Harry is disliked that we don’t recognise the issue, in fact posters like yourselves have leapt to Meghan’s defence when we have repeatedly highlighted it.

It really seems to me to reveal the clash between their goals and approaches - Harry wants to look like he could return to be a working royal, but there’s no way Meghan the influencer can afford to turn down a Kardashian party. So they try to do both, badly, and it all looks a bit shit.

This debacle has crystallised exactly why royalty cannot be celebrity, imagine if they had got their ridiculous half in half out demands, in the papers we would have had Harry leering at Kris Jenner’s breasts whilst under the influence of whatever substance, adjacent to a picture of him laying a wreath at the Cenotaph the next day.

Me too.

Poor Meghan has to endure that 😂😂

I still get second hand embarrassment over this.. my OH hasn't watched the normal "The Office" & I don't know if I can go through this again 😆

That point has been made several times over the past 5yrs, over numerous threads.
No one is ignoring it - majority of us already think it.
And I for one don't dislike Harry - I just think he's a bit of a prat. He has the privilege and means to help himself and repeatedly doesn't.

I am never on board with supporting any sort of diagnosis, be it clinical or criminal, based on information that is filtered through media, be it self written or written by others. Videos are frequently edited to create the worst possible impressions, numerous articles are based on "sources" whose veracity we have no way of judging. Harry and Meghan's own words and images are heavily filtered depending on what they want to project.

We can speculate but the bottom line of that we don't know them. I personally find that very serious accusations tend to distract from actual, provable, behaviour such as the fact that Harry made a decision to breach his family's privacy to make money. That I can comment on, their private dynamic, not so much.

That’s a fair point, except that they very publicly built their brand on their Love Story, so inevitably people will notice how they seem as a couple.

But I agree that the actual provable transgressions are all we can be sure of. And I will say, not for the first time, that much of the minutiae that gets discussed here is a helpful (for them) distraction from the more serious issues.

I have a wider issue with the way terms like narcissist are thrown around online about people no one actually knows. Social media is dangerous in this regard because i think it becomes the boy crying wolf, labelling people with extreme diagnosis, often applied incorrectly, so frequently that their severity is diminished blunts our real life perceptions.

So probably my comment was a bit off topic and I'll get off my soap box!

That Aquazzura photo caption says they were at baby2baby not Kris’ birthday party. Trying to keep it upmarket despite the photo being taken outside Kris’ party.

Also that is one of the best photos of her in that outfit. As she is walking she has a more curvy waist and hip section plus is showing leg and showcasing the shoe. She also has great make up and a demure smile. Harry looks angry though.

People hear those terms and repeat them without really understanding what they mean.

I have a wider issue with the way terms like narcissist are thrown around online about people no one actually knows.

I agree with this @MrsLeonFarrell - both for celebrities and for other people described on Mumsnet. It is not reasonable to make online diagnoses.
What can be done is to look at patterns of behaviour and say 'This behaviour is unpleasant / unacceptable', or possibly 'That behaviour causes concern'.

Back on topic - with the Sussexes, while there is a lot of volume of 'media' stuff with associated filtering, there is also a lot of stuff in their own words (Oprah, Netflix, Spare, podcasts, interviews) and behaviours.

The Hollywood Reporter has a guest column this week called 'Royally Ghosted'

https://archive.is/4ey6m

People can however say " like a narcissist".

It’s a problem when ordinary terminology is medicalised. The concept of narcissism and narcissistic behaviour long predates the appropriation of that term to diagnose a condition.

William had the same problem when he referred to the lies told to Diana for the Panorama interview feeding into his mother’s paranoia, and then people accused him of labelling her paranoid, which he didn’t.

Apparently Meghan is a canny business woman!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15294347/Canny-Meghan-Markle-professionally-wooing-Amazon-boss-Jeff-Bezos-string-Netflix-flops-insiders-claim.html

I doubt she is more canny than Jeff Bezos - one of the richest men in the world can probably sniff a grifter from a mile off.

Whether or not he sees something financially in it for him remains to be seen but, as the host of Kris’ party, he no doubt has full knowledge of what happened re pulling the photos and probably has an opinion on that. They may have already burnt the Bezos bridge.

“Of course, people are talking about her connection to Jeff Bezos and the fact she's chosen to star in an Amazon film, but there are very few big players in town and she has two of them - Netflix and Amazon.”

My questions - is she “starring” in an Amazon film - I thought it was a cameo?

And in what way does she “have” Netflix and Amazon? 🤔