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jeffgoldblum · 10/11/2025 11:45

And I must expand this to add !
the evidence has always been there lurking in the shadows, surly expressions caught on camera (since his youth) , snotty comments about his brother on camera ( explained away as jokes and banter!) people just wanted to believe the facade presented to them.

MrsFinkelstein · 10/11/2025 11:50

Mylovelygreendress · 10/11/2025 10:17

But is it “ exactly” what she wants ? She isn’t a billionaire, they aren’t hanging out with the Clooneys , Julia Roberts or other real A listers rather than those famous because of a sex tape ?
did she really imagine she would be flogging flower sprinkles rather than spouting nonsense to world leaders ?

With Meghan I get a real Ivanka Trump vibe - in that they both think they're more important, credible and intelligent than they actually are.

Remember that awkward moment when there was a group of world leaders, Head of the IMF talking in a group and Ivanka broke in with some word salad and they had to just smile and nod awkwardly? I get that with Meghan at all her speeches.

Indianrollerbird · 10/11/2025 11:53

MrsFinkelstein · 10/11/2025 11:50

With Meghan I get a real Ivanka Trump vibe - in that they both think they're more important, credible and intelligent than they actually are.

Remember that awkward moment when there was a group of world leaders, Head of the IMF talking in a group and Ivanka broke in with some word salad and they had to just smile and nod awkwardly? I get that with Meghan at all her speeches.

Wasn’t she also gazing adoringly at Trudeau? Very Meghan.

bubzie · 10/11/2025 12:00

Stunt bottles 😂 sums her up 😂😂

Indianrollerbird · 10/11/2025 12:00

jeffgoldblum · 10/11/2025 11:45

And I must expand this to add !
the evidence has always been there lurking in the shadows, surly expressions caught on camera (since his youth) , snotty comments about his brother on camera ( explained away as jokes and banter!) people just wanted to believe the facade presented to them.

True. The “banter” always has an edge. His manner is brittle and he’s not sharing a joke, just making a nasty comment under the guise of humour. It’s not very well hidden, as John Travolta learned! There’s a really telling picture of him from the younger years (20s I think). He’s in a crowd, sulking, with his armed crossed and looks just like a toddler. Catherine is beside him and seems to be trying to placate him or cheer him up. Man baby.

Ohpleeeease · 10/11/2025 12:16

The Kardashian’s party is exactly where Meghan Markle wants to be, she’s a first class hustler and undoubtedly she’ll come away with some profitable connections. What a way to live though, whoring yourself around for cash, without regard for the consequences. It’s what got Andrew and Sarah Ferguson into such trouble.

jeffgoldblum · 10/11/2025 12:39

Indianrollerbird · 10/11/2025 12:00

True. The “banter” always has an edge. His manner is brittle and he’s not sharing a joke, just making a nasty comment under the guise of humour. It’s not very well hidden, as John Travolta learned! There’s a really telling picture of him from the younger years (20s I think). He’s in a crowd, sulking, with his armed crossed and looks just like a toddler. Catherine is beside him and seems to be trying to placate him or cheer him up. Man baby.

Yep exactly @Indianrollerbird! I was thinking of that exact picture! And it wasn’t a one off there are many of them , along with the pictures of assaulting his bodyguards and photographers!

jeffgoldblum · 10/11/2025 12:48

i have always felt that Meghan was unfairly blamed for Harry’s behaviour! ( and have said so many times on this board!) , Meghan is responsible for her own behaviour, Harry is responsible for his , she didn’t change him or force him to behave this way .
this is who he has always been.

Wellthatsacharlingknot · 10/11/2025 12:54

Indianrollerbird · 10/11/2025 10:30

I think the Harry we now see (stripped of positive palace PR) is the Harry he's always been. He married someone more dominant than him who took him away from familiar places where he was alpha by virtue of birth, which is why he looks and behaves like a seedy, aimless handbag carrier in his life in the US. But that's all about character. If he had a good character and more intelligence, he'd be fine and thriving. IMO, he doesn't have good personal qualities (or at least not enough of them), and I suspect if he'd married someone more willing to fit into royal life, he'd still be behaving like a whining little shit in private, he'd still be jealous of William and he'd still be aimless, save for the projects the insect men in grey put in front of him. We (the public) just wouldn't know about it.

I think …

If he had…

IMO…

I suspect …

This is your valid opinion but speculative analyses like these always tend to overly focus on the negative. As do all media reports.

An alternative scenario could be that Harry is fairly happy enjoying freedom and fatherhood. He always appeared very much at ease interacting with young children, even before he married and had his own.

But of course I don’t know for sure. None of us do!

I don’t agree with how he went about leaving but I think he might be justified in feeling sad and hurt at how ruthlessly the establishment and his family turned their backs on him once he had left, having protected Andrew, a potential criminal, for years.

(Let’s be honest. Where Harry went wrong was that he didn’t keep quiet. If you keep quiet in the RF, virtually whatever you do, you will be protected. Once you break the omertà; or too much info leaks, you are out!)

I definitely think he needs to find more purpose, Flying a helicopter for a medical charity would be a good start. Just do one thing and do it well and stick with it. Quietly.

The truth is that neither of us know for sure what he is like or how he feels and I think it’s pretty silly to pretend that we do! But we keep on doing it!

We also tend to focus mostly on negatives when in reality most lives are a mixture of good and bad aspects.

I’ve met quite a few well known people during a former career - my role was in a very minor capacity I should add so they didn’t need to be polite to me - and many of them came across completely differently to how they were portrayed in the media. The ones you were dreading meeting were often lovely; and vice versa. Only a few were pretty much the same as anticipated.

Thanks to the odd way that the RF share their marriages, funerals, children with us the public, we all feel we know them and have some strange form of ownership over them. This is an illusion. Their lives as elite rich-as -Creusus -folk are in reality completely removed from our own. And you need wit, self-discipline and strength of character not to be corrupted by the life they lead too.
And in this 24 hr news culture and digital age, I don’t think it’s a productive set up for them or us.

Far better, imho, to let them go and live a comfortable life in peace and privacy, especially the children, and take all emotion out of the equation, and let us elect a steady, non-controversial intelligent, dare I say boring, Head of State, who isn’t protected by enormous wealth and privilege, whose actions are transparent and who is fully accountable for their financial arrangements and both are subject to independent public scrutiny. And then we can focus on what are the really important issues for the UK.

We can still honour our traditions and history but the RF can be gradually confined to that history, where imho, in a modern, accountable democracy, they belong.

So much attention and rhetoric is directed at and towards the royals! Why are we so focused on this toxic soap opera? Can we not raise the level of public debate? As a collection of countries, I think we can do better and we deserve better.

SidekickSylvia · 10/11/2025 12:59

IAmATorturedPoet · 09/11/2025 19:16

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/celebrity/articles/meghan-markle-celebrates-dodgers-world-153116672.html

Here is the video!!
(it’s apparently taken in their ‘lush theater room’)

Her problem is that she's just a terrible actor. I don't just mean among other actors, but people in general. Every encounter with anyone just looks so false, so affected, and the results are awkward.

I think I'm one of the few people who saw the video of her in Africa, when the poor young woman was telling her about her child dying. She said 'He died', and Meghan turned her head away, and the woman thought she mustn't have understood (because how could anyone, especially a new mother, react with such indifference), so she said 'He passed away'. Meghan looked at her impatiently, then sat on the floor to play with the babies/toddlers with a big smile, while looking for the camera. The bereaved woman looked crestfallen and utterly bewildered.

I think that was the real Meghan, the Meghan that the royal family and ex friends and family got, the Meghan that her staff get. The on camera version is just so obviously phony that it's hard for those of us that see it to understand those that don't.

And then there's incidents like the wine and no licence, she just fumbles every single bag. It's difficult not to find it amusing once you've seen through her.

MrsGusset · 10/11/2025 13:07

TheAutumnalCrow · 10/11/2025 10:01

Oh my word, the response from M’s ‘source’ / latest global spokesgob is that the bottles on display were stunt bottles with stunt wine inside!

This is so batshit.

Anyone else think of Kenny Everett's Cupid Stunt when reading this?

BigWillyLittleTodger · 10/11/2025 13:17

I saw that video @SidekickSylvia I felt so much for that poor woman, can you imagine how Diana, Sophie, Catherine or Camilla would have reacted and Ann as well, though less demonstrably emotional than the latter would have listened and engaged, not ignored her and played with children whilst sat on the floor. I really don’t think Meghan has an empathetic bone in her body, any emotion she shows is only for herself or performative for the cameras.

BigWillyLittleTodger · 10/11/2025 13:22

MrsGusset · 10/11/2025 13:07

Anyone else think of Kenny Everett's Cupid Stunt when reading this?

I did think of the Mumsnet stunt pineapple! 🍍

AtIusvue · 10/11/2025 13:47

jeffgoldblum · 10/11/2025 12:48

i have always felt that Meghan was unfairly blamed for Harry’s behaviour! ( and have said so many times on this board!) , Meghan is responsible for her own behaviour, Harry is responsible for his , she didn’t change him or force him to behave this way .
this is who he has always been.

They both enable one another, to be the worst versions of themselves they can be.

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JSMill · 10/11/2025 14:04

SidekickSylvia · 10/11/2025 12:59

Her problem is that she's just a terrible actor. I don't just mean among other actors, but people in general. Every encounter with anyone just looks so false, so affected, and the results are awkward.

I think I'm one of the few people who saw the video of her in Africa, when the poor young woman was telling her about her child dying. She said 'He died', and Meghan turned her head away, and the woman thought she mustn't have understood (because how could anyone, especially a new mother, react with such indifference), so she said 'He passed away'. Meghan looked at her impatiently, then sat on the floor to play with the babies/toddlers with a big smile, while looking for the camera. The bereaved woman looked crestfallen and utterly bewildered.

I think that was the real Meghan, the Meghan that the royal family and ex friends and family got, the Meghan that her staff get. The on camera version is just so obviously phony that it's hard for those of us that see it to understand those that don't.

And then there's incidents like the wine and no licence, she just fumbles every single bag. It's difficult not to find it amusing once you've seen through her.

That incident in South Africa absolutely outraged me. Losing a child must be the worst thing that could happen to a woman. I can’t imagine how painful it must have been to have been ignored when you were trying to share your experience. M really showed herself to be a cupid stunt.

jeffgoldblum · 10/11/2025 15:34

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apparently Meghan didn’t wear a poppy because they are hard to get hold of.

bubzie · 10/11/2025 16:02

Where did Harry get his then?

PigglyWigglyOhYeah · 10/11/2025 16:15

bubzie · 10/11/2025 16:02

Where did Harry get his then?

Canada, apparently. But didn’t bother getting one for Meghan. Speaks volumes about his actual commitment to his ‘causes’ and also his lack of intelligence around how his wife is perceived. I mean, I’m not very bright, but if I was always wanging on about how badly treated my spouse was in the press and online, I would do whatever I could to help them avoid criticism…such as knowing that there would be pics of them in the press on Remembrance Sunday not bothering to wear a poppy. Of course he might have bought her one and she might have refused to stick a pin in whatever hugely over priced piece of polyester she was wearing, but there you go. They don’t help themselves.

BoudiccaRuled · 10/11/2025 16:34

IAmATorturedPoet · 10/11/2025 10:46

👏
Harry hasn’t changed, he’s just been exposed.

I think a more pleasant, unjealous woman would point out all the benefits of being the spare to him. They could have had a wonderful life. His wife would need to rub along well with William & Catherine, which looks like it would be easy enough (but I don't know them).

Mylovelygreendress · 10/11/2025 16:48

PigglyWigglyOhYeah · 10/11/2025 16:15

Canada, apparently. But didn’t bother getting one for Meghan. Speaks volumes about his actual commitment to his ‘causes’ and also his lack of intelligence around how his wife is perceived. I mean, I’m not very bright, but if I was always wanging on about how badly treated my spouse was in the press and online, I would do whatever I could to help them avoid criticism…such as knowing that there would be pics of them in the press on Remembrance Sunday not bothering to wear a poppy. Of course he might have bought her one and she might have refused to stick a pin in whatever hugely over priced piece of polyester she was wearing, but there you go. They don’t help themselves.

According to my American relatives , poppies are easily available however it occurred to me that she might have borrowed the dress and didn’t want to put a pin it ?

chunkyBoo · 10/11/2025 16:57

JSMill · 10/11/2025 14:04

That incident in South Africa absolutely outraged me. Losing a child must be the worst thing that could happen to a woman. I can’t imagine how painful it must have been to have been ignored when you were trying to share your experience. M really showed herself to be a cupid stunt.

It’s because she couldn’t give a shit! She wanted those women there for one reason only, to make her look good, and she messed that up!! She shouldn’t be allowed to see people who have suffered, she’s a user and couldn’t care less

Puzzledandpissedoff · 10/11/2025 18:06

That incident in South Africa absolutely outraged me. Losing a child must be the worst thing that could happen to a woman. I can’t imagine how painful it must have been to have been ignored when you were trying to share your experience

You and me both, @JSMill, and while it didn't tell us anything we didn't already suspect it certainly confirmed it

Even if not actually interested you'd think an actress could at least have pretended to show some concern, but as so often the obsession with the camera came first, and yet again she showed all the blather about "compassion" to be completely fake

Iwanttoliveinagardencentre · 10/11/2025 18:25

Indianrollerbird · 10/11/2025 10:30

I think the Harry we now see (stripped of positive palace PR) is the Harry he's always been. He married someone more dominant than him who took him away from familiar places where he was alpha by virtue of birth, which is why he looks and behaves like a seedy, aimless handbag carrier in his life in the US. But that's all about character. If he had a good character and more intelligence, he'd be fine and thriving. IMO, he doesn't have good personal qualities (or at least not enough of them), and I suspect if he'd married someone more willing to fit into royal life, he'd still be behaving like a whining little shit in private, he'd still be jealous of William and he'd still be aimless, save for the projects the insect men in grey put in front of him. We (the public) just wouldn't know about it.

Oh I don’t disagree. I think he is an entitled little whiner and also was. I just think MM has profited more from the relationship than Harry.

Spectre8 · 10/11/2025 18:33

People went to war fighting for the right to choose, and the right of freedom of speech and expression for our country. Noone should be tell6ong anyone whether they should or shouldn't wear a poppy, this isnt a dictatorship and goes against everything those people who lost their lives fought for. What did Jon Snow say .. its like poppy facism when people start to tell you off for not wearing one.

There are millions of British people who dont wear them, UK celebrities/ famous people to. 🙄 not wearing a poppy doesnt mean you dont care.

Iwanttoliveinagardencentre · 10/11/2025 18:35

Mylovelygreendress · 10/11/2025 10:17

But is it “ exactly” what she wants ? She isn’t a billionaire, they aren’t hanging out with the Clooneys , Julia Roberts or other real A listers rather than those famous because of a sex tape ?
did she really imagine she would be flogging flower sprinkles rather than spouting nonsense to world leaders ?

I think she is closer to her goals than Harry is to his. It’s hard to think of anything Harry has gained.
I agree she had her sights set on universal admiration and is instead only a legend in her own lunchtime but he doesn’t even have jam.

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