Why didn’t Harry tell all about Andrew? And will A and S now spill the family secrets (please!)?

[JudiRuliani]

I’ve wondered why Harry stayed quiet about Andrew. Surely most - if not all - of the Royals knew more about his ‘activities’ than Jo Public will ever know?

Harry was so bothered about all the misinformation and ‘men in suits’ but seemed to leave Andrew alone. Would he have been subject to non-disclosure rulings, or whatever it is people in the public eye can get to prevent people telling their secrets?

Having seen how much Harry was paid, will Andrew and/or Sarah seek to get gazillions to expose the multitude of skeletons that must surely be in royal closets? What might those secrets be?!

Apologies if this idle nosiness isn’t in the spirit of ‘the royal family’ topic - they’re just a fascinating family and in the grand scheme of weird family dynamics, they’re right up there near the top! Even the most mundane of families have skeletons!

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Can you suggest why H &M, who have blabbed so much personal stuff about the RF and H’s relations, are absolutely silent about the appalling Andrew?

If they claim to have serious criticisms of the royals, would you not agree that Andrew was where they should have started?

To me this is beyond weird.

If H didn’t know, then it would be hard to believe that others did. H was very close to the daughters and has led a fairly raffish bachelor existence before his marriage.

Harry spilled beans about teddies, dog bowls, beady necklaces, frostbittentodgers todgers, mostly just nonsense. I don't think he spilled very hurtful secrets about others, mostly childish sneers at appearance.

Because Andrew has no power.
And because Andrew knew Meghan before Harry did.
People in glass houses shouldn't throw bricks.

The infamous photograph of Andrew and Virginia Giuffre was taken in 2001 when Harry was 16 years old. Charles and Andrew never seem to have been close, so no reason to think they spent much time together unless on public duty during the brief time in Harry’s childhood that he was with his father. Prior to the photo being taken Harry spent his childhood with nannies and then went to boarding school at the age of 8 before dealing with his parents making headlines, divorcing and Diana dying.

I would imagine that it suits Harry (and everyone else really) to portray an image of having had next to nothing to do with Andrew at any point. However, Harry really probably did have very little to do with him. Harry’s only important in his own mind (a bit like Andrew in that sense) and as the spare he probably had less to do with the rest of his family than William did.

Whilst Harry seems to struggle with PR and what makes him look good, he presumably has figured out that there will be no way back for him if he gives any indication that he knew what was going on as by keeping silent he allowed it to continue.

Why would he talk about that ??? While the interview was a car crash of cringe and dirty laundry it was ALL about harry and Megan and not a general spilling of tea

his interviews / book etc was all about HIM and HER and their hurt feelings and putting across THEIR side of the argument

Also legal advisors all around would not let him say one word which could be libel and cost Oprah whinfrey a fortune

also he is very close to Eugenie and Beatrice and loves his cousins and they have visited him many times in L.A and may by extension even be close to Andrew and sarah ? So why hurt the cousins who have shown overwhelming support and loyalty ?

How do you know B and E have visited H and M “ many times” in LA ?

i thought and as I haven't read spare. that it was about Harry. so stuff like PW assaulted him , stuff that happened to him or Meghan.

maybe like most people he thinks its up to the RF to actually speak out.

What does anyone actually want the RF, really meaning William or Charles, to say?

They can't exactly come out and say Andrew is guilty, because thats liable.

There are other much more powerful men caught up in this than Andrew. Those are the people that the world should be on the lookout for

I agree with this.

But it’s a puzzle to me that Harry immediately- absolutely immediately- refuted Lownie’s claim that he’d punched Andrew. Lownie asserts his eye-witnesses are solid. Who to believe?

Surely, in the context, it could only be a feather in Harry’s cap to have attacked Andrew- so why the desperation to deny it?

There’s something not right, as we say in the North!

Quite. But it’s always the people who don’t understand how the monarchy in this country works who image it’s like Alice in Wonderland, or the Ancient Regime where KC just issues a command (say for Andrew to be removed from his mansion and locked in the Tower) and, hey presto, it’s done.

The wheels are grinding but it’s going to take time, particularly because it’s never been established that Andrew has committed a crime in this country. The law is the law, however horrible and culpable he may be.

Yes, I can’t understand why H denied it. Most people would be supportive or indifferent. He definitely wouldn’t get roasted for it.

Even people who feel that Andrew is a convenient fall guy but still strongly dislike him, wouldn’t decry Harry for hitting him.

It’s confusing.

As well as Harry being a child away at boarding school for most of the time Andrew’s crimes are supposed to have happened, also I got the impression that Charles and Andrew didn’t socialise together much away from events with their mother. So it’s not like Uncle Andrew was someone who was around chatting with his dad for Harry to overhear stories of terrible behaviour.

It has been suggested that there is already a connection between Andrew and Meghan supposedly when Meghan was a "yacht girl" if that is true it's likely not something either would wish to disclose

I'm not sure how much he'd actually know - Andrew a distant uncle.

Plus there lots of stuff I image Harry would have known about like RF being hierarchical he apparently didn't realise.

There was a clip - I think on you tube shorts of a family photo with an teen Peter Philips looking uncertain and very upset at being pushed around for photo shot - and it was by Andrew and it wasn't nice though there were strained smiles. It was Princess Diana who put a smile of the teen boy face with a warm oh come and stand in front of me.

Yes a snap shot but did give impression Andrew was one of those older relatives who make often younger relatives uncomfortable deliberately - subtle bullying - but not to point others adults feel they can step in and stop them - Anna was there looking annoyed. If so I suspect all the nieces and nephews learnt to keep their distance from him.

If Harry did hit him perhaps there's some reason he was less in control than normal he doesn't want getting out drugs/alcohol or something more to the provocation from Andrew that he doesn't want broadcast- or perhaps it didn't happen and the writer's sources aren't as solid as he thinks.

Harry & Meghan are close to Eugenie so maybe that’s why.

I think its a combination of the above.
How much would Harry know, even if he was very close to his uncle, your sex life just isnt something to be discussed with the next generation

I struggle to imagine, Andrew discussing what he got up to with Charlies or Edward either.
I know lots of people think badly of Charlies because of the Diana stuff and his affair with Camilla. But I think hes fair to straight laced to be involved with those sorts of seedie parties.

I do think their is something in the yacht girl story with Meghan because its never really been explained how she got to know Eugienie. Its a weird connection.

Historically both William and Harry were said to 'detest' Andrew, so the story about Harry punching him wasn't that surprising, given Harry's other history.

The strange things have been
-the denial of the punch: to the extent of 'legal letters'. Just why? If anything, it would currently improve Harry's public image.
-no mention if Andrew in Spare, given the other petty grievances. I've no doubt Andrew will have annoyed Harry in some way, deliberately or not.
-the idea that Meghan didn't know who Andrew was the first time they met with the Queen, despite being friendly with Eugenie (apparently for years before meeting Harry).
-the idea that Meghan thought that Andrew was the Queen's assistant/secretary because he was holding her handbag. From everything I've heard of Andrew, he is generally pompous and the idea that he would act remotely deferentially as if he were a staff member is just ludicrous.

I really think Harry had no idea about Andrew.
He's a man in his 40s who has been obsessed with the media for years. He probably knows everything there is to know.

I think that’s definitely a factor. There’s never been any love lost between Andrew and Charles and the daughters have sort of got back at KC by staying friends with H&M, just to irritate him.

H&M have revelled in this connection for some time - it keeps them ‘royal adjacent’ and pisses off the rest of the RF. But I guess now they’ll be wondering what line to take in light of the scandal (which I don’t think for a minute is news to Harry).

Unfortunately for Harry I think his knee-jerk denial of having punched Andrew was a wrong move - and one which begs some questions. But it may well be simply due to a wish to keep the York princesses sweet.

I agree with all of this!

Yes - the very odd infantilisation of Harry when he’s …what…41? And a very louche character himself.

If you believe the RF knew a lot about Andrew, that has to include Harry, however uncomfortable that might be if you insist on seeing him as an innocent young boy for ever.

Presumably because he was only interested in things that affected him directly? He’s very inward looking.

I don’t believe the yacht girl rumour. It’s been levelled at Kate and Pippa too. It’s misogynistic. I am not a fan of any of these people but those accusations are unfair.

I don’t believe Meghan’s nonsense about not knowing who Harry/Andrew/whoever were because I suspect she set out to meet Harry, but that’s a completely different sort of story to the yacht girl thing.

Oh what is the It’s A Knock Out scandal!!??

Maybe been advised not to speak out. If there's any chance no matter how slim of legal proceedings or even threat thereof that would be the standard advice.

Yes, agreed.