So William is taking control of Palace response to Andrew scandal

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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/prince-andrew-royal-lodge-virginia-giuffre-latest-news-b2850570.html

It's absolutely fucking outrageous. Do they take people for absolute complete fools??

Is this really the time for the government to be so stubborn in its refusal act?

It's fairly simple to actually strip Andrew of his Dukedom and whatever other titles he's been given, surely.

If that had actually happened this would likely have gone away, the public would mostly have forgotten about it, and no one would really be baying for his prince title to go as well.

More fudging 😡

Soar, Ed Davey, soar 🚀

If the other men are American then there is nothing that can be done in the UK to bring their names to light. Obviously Bill Gates is one. Donald Trump is doing everything in his power to keep other names under wraps.
Surely Andrew could save some vestige of 'honour' and say who else he saw on Epstein's island and plane.

'Erskine May' should be consigned to a bonfire. Is this country really a democracy?

I think Anne was the favourite? Or at least the most like him in terms of temperament. I think it was clear to him early doors that Charles was not going to be the Alpha male he thought befitted a son of his. Then the other two boys were an afterthought. Andrew mummy’s favourite and Edward just irrelevant.

But on questions, the long-standing practice of the House, as set out in Erskine May, is that criticism of members of the royal family cannot be made as part of questions. I hope this is helpful clarification, as there is lots of online speculation.”

Wonderful for them isn't it...
Can you imagine, you are AT the top of the tree in a massive public company... And no one can question you or criticise you EVER. You can do what you want, not do the job, abuse your position, and no one can pull you up on your behaviour

Is anyone else finding it really bizarre that KCIII has become embroiled in an issue where the role of the monarchy and the role of parliament are seemingly unclear...considering what went on with KCI and KCII?

And then all the petty fucking rules about tights and nail varnish colours and tiaras at weddings and opening car doors. And yet, what was going on in the background with 'blood' family. It actually beggars belief.

He promised he'd do everything in his power to co-operate with the authorities involved on Newsnight (a programme financed by the plebs he's always abhorred).

We're all still tapping our watches.

Strictly speaking the roles aren't unclear, CrimsonStoat, it's just that parliament are choosing not to act in accordance with theirs

He promised he'd do everything in his power to co-operate with the authorities involved on Newsnight (a programme financed by the plebs he's always abhorred).
Another lie. Every time he opens his mouth he lies.

He promised - and claimed - a lot of things, Cathy, but as so often with the RF it refleected nothing except whatever narrative suited him at the time

I feel very sorry for any charities who have an involvement with any member of the RF right this minute. They must be wondering what on earth is going to come out next. And what cover up will be revealed.

The government for ages has hidden behind the myth that the Erskine May rule stops discussion of the Royal Family in parliament. It doesn't.

The Speaker has just had to clarify that because of all the online discussions. Erskine May simply sets out that if the Royal Family (and some others such as judges) are to be criticised, it should be done properly in a formal motion. I've said it on here several times.
The government or the opposition could allow time for a motion to be discussed.

Speaker's comments are in this article
https://archive.is/pg1F6

Actual text of Erskine May
As indicated at para 20.10, unless the discussion is based upon a substantive motion, drawn in proper terms, reflections must not be cast in debate upon the conduct of the Sovereign, the heir to the throne, or other members of the royal family.1 The same principle applies to the Lord Chancellor,2 the Governor-General of an independent territory,3 and judges of the superior courts of the United Kingdom4 (including persons holding the position of a judge, such as circuit judges and their deputies, as well as recorders).'

What a turn up for this Charles after the other two's experiences!

The government helping the RF stay shady.

So this really is a perilous moment for democracy in this country - do the people rule via parliament or is it the RF...I'm getting Trump feelings..

From the Speaker's comments: Any discussions about the conduct or reflections on members of the royal family can be properly discussed on the substantive motions. And I know some members have already tabled such a motion. I am not able to allocate time for a debate on such a motion, but others are able to do so

From the article: Substantive motions can be tabled by the Government, opposition parties in opposition day debates, and by backbenchers through an application to the Backbench Business Committee.

One of the arguments against parliament getting involved with legislation was because it would detract from more important things and be a waste of time.

But if we've got the speaker having to explain to Parliament what Erskine May is then surely that's also "wasting" time, time that could be spent legislating instead of the government digging its heels in and trying to duck their responsibilities.

Like everything else in this sorry mess, it could have been done by now!

Yes.

William could have been “on it” for a lot of years.

Of course the Royals want Parliament to focus on anything apart from them! Im glad more people are ignoring them. Of course there are important things to debate, but that also includes why we have a Parliament colluding with the Royal Family to keep their dealings secret from the public.

He is cut from the same cloth as the rest of them.

Well I think someone needs to remind Parliament that the reason they have the power that they have is because of these two previous Charles's, yet they have singularly failed to execute their role in holding the Monarchy to account, clearly over many years, and many Parliaments, leading to them basically allowing the RF to dictate to them how its going to go. Are we a democracy or not?

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