What about Beatrice & Eugenie?

[olderandnonthewiser]

I’m not sure what to think tbh. On one hand they must be so so mortified; on the other they enjoy all the perks of Royalty and their position in the RF despite their revolting father.

How do you see it?

Firstly, they are not "girls".
Secondly they have had significant financial benefits from their parents "contacts" including gifts from various people, which has been explained upthread.
Thirdly, they are fully appraised of what their parents have been up to. They can be under no illusion. However, they have always been happy to benefit, even after the Maitlis interview.
Finally, Beatrice has not done "a lot of work around dyslexia". She has spoken of her own situation. Her engagement with this is minimal.
I hope, if they are decent women (not girls) they will at least distance themselves from their parents. I doubt it, though

A legality. Prostitution per se isn't against the law whereas trafficking is. I completely agree it does NOT excuse his behaviours, just whether he has broken the law or not.

I feel very sorry for them that their parents let them be around these people ? Surely a huge risk. I don’t think they should be judged in any way over this and I expect both were probably oblivious to what was really going on.

None of those are paedophilia and yes i know about them.

Paedophilia is sex with children, not sex with already sexually active amd physically mature 17 year olds over the legal age to marry.

Nobody is saying what happened between Andrew and Virginia was right but it wasn't paedophilia.

Well they're old enough to be well aware now but still no statement is forthcoming saying they don't endorse these terrible people even if their parents do. Wonder why that is...

I think it's very interesting how people infantilise Beatrice and Eugenie. They're 35 and 37, both married with children, but people carry on as if they're still at school. It's very odd.

That is true.

I guess part of it is because we now all realise things were going on in the background when they were still at school, and have some sympathy for that. But yes, they are older than I tend to think of them being. Maybe part of it is they look quite young.

Agree. The same people who clamber to claim VG was basically an adult at 17 years old persistently refer to two women in their thirties as girls.

Agree. Much of what they do is 'busywork' and even then, extremely part time. Its not needed and makes no material difference. Not to mention William doesn't want to bother with it anymore.
They can invite the rest of them to garden parties and balconies if they want. But William, Kate, the Edinburgh's and then the kids are easily able to do the work of the RF. Hopefully they will take less money too, but they are vary adept at avoiding a cut in the money they receive.

Again. The accusation/word “pedophilia” does not feature in the post you’ve quoted.

An abuser if he knew she was trafficked.

But not a paedophile.

That term needs reserving for people who have sex with children. She was not a child in anything but a legal "not yet an adult" sense. It devalues the vile behaviour of paedophiles to call a man having sex with an apparently willing 17 year old a paedophile.

Is it the same people?

Seems to be done to a lot of RF members - I wonder if it's because they are in public eye from young age and people don't update their world view.

I think they'll be fine - even if they do eventually have to throw one or both parents under the media bus. I suspect they'll be kept at arms length from rest of RF for a while then slowly and understately brought back - less sure if Willaim takes lead any time soon though.

Oblivious? Do we think Beatrice queried as to why she was given £750k by a Turkish millionaire for a ‘wedding gift’ months before the actual wedding? A millionaire who there is evidence to suggest obtained a British passport thanks to Prince Andrew? If one of my mums random mates gave me 750,000 I’d be curious. Eugenie also had numerous payments from this person but in smaller chunks like 10-15k at a time. ‘Poor girls’ must be very bloody oblivious!

Yes very true. A statement of some sort would be appropriate but I doubt they will.

No, I think they look like women in their mid 30s, and I'm not being rude. They certainly don't look like teenagers!
Some of this was going on when they were younger, yes. Some of it well into their adulthood.

Yep. Snouts in the trough. "Poor girls"? Nope.

Without sounding rude I get the impression that they probably take a lot for granted and when you’re floating around in such a privileged life anyway you could be very naive in general. I’m not saying they lack intelligence but perhaps common sense and insight.

He’s telling all the rest of us that, and we don’t believe him. £12m pay out when you’re innocent? Nah. Come off it.

Read the post that my post was in answer to.

Agreed. I am sure their existence is way weirder in so many ways that we cannot imagine.

I certainly don't envy their situation.

I'm not 100% convinced that William when King will do much at all to any of the RF. OK he might slim things down a bit and send Andy to Coventry, but you can bet a million that he will not voluntarily trim down the "cost" of the monarchy, or re gift Royal resources to public ownership, or reduce his income.

I hope I'm 100% wrong though.

I found out before my father died that he had 'forced himself' on women. So he was a rapist. I immediately changed my last name to my mum's maiden name but couldn't go NC because he was living with me! But after he died I stopped referring to him as dad and used his first name. I refused to arrange a funeral or collect his ashes.

How horrific for you, @MrsSlocombesCat . You did the right thing, though 💐

When you talk about a willing 17 year old are you meaning Virginia Giuffre or just a generic 17 year old?

Because if it's the former you are wrong:
Ms Giuffre also claimed that she was forced to have sex with Prince Andrew on three occasions, including when she was 17 at the home of his friend Ghislaine Maxwell in London, in 2001

Quote taken from here BBC News - Met Police looking into claims Andrew sought information on accuser
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3970mxwz9vo