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What about Beatrice & Eugenie?

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olderandnonthewiser · 19/10/2025 23:26

I’m not sure what to think tbh. On one hand they must be so so mortified; on the other they enjoy all the perks of Royalty and their position in the RF despite their revolting father.

How do you see it?

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Thedom · 20/10/2025 11:36

Rosscameasdoody · 20/10/2025 11:31

Agree. In the UK a man soliciting a sex worker subsequently proven to have been trafficked can face serious charges. If it’s proven that they knew or circumstances dictate that they should have suspected the person had been trafficked, they can be charged with rape or sexual assault, and even controlling prostitution for gain. And the CPS can pursue charges under the Modern Slavery Act where there is not enough evidence of the knowledge or suspicion of trafficking. So no. Ignorance of the law is not a defence.

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Exactly, and it really pushes the boat of credibility to believe he ever thought Epstein was hiring all these pretty very young females for their organizational skills. They were hired for one thing and one thing only, and Andrew accepted Epstein offering them to him on a plate.

DelectableMe · 20/10/2025 11:37

Rosscameasdoody · 20/10/2025 11:35

I can’t for the life of me fathom out why people think he couldn’t possibly have known, or even suspected that the young girls he was being offered weren’t trafficked for that purpose, and those emails say it all. Paedophilia may not be an appropriate charge, but rape certainly is. If they were trafficked, those girls were not capable of consent.

If he didn't know, then he's not only on a spectacular level of entitlement, but questions should be asked about his treatment of other girls and women throughout his life eg when serving in the Navy.
"I didn't know" is no excuse.

DelectableMe · 20/10/2025 11:39

Thedom · 20/10/2025 11:36

Exactly, and it really pushes the boat of credibility to believe he ever thought Epstein was hiring all these pretty very young females for their organizational skills. They were hired for one thing and one thing only, and Andrew accepted Epstein offering them to him on a plate.

Yes, exactly.

Rosscameasdoody · 20/10/2025 11:42

Allergictoironing · 20/10/2025 09:34

That very much depends on whether he knew the girl was being trafficked (as opposed to pimped) by Epstein. Without this case, how many people on here knew beforehand that in the USA they have a law about taking anyone under 18 across state lines for immoral purposes? Equally, in some US states the age of consent is as low as 14.

Don't get me wrong, I think P Andrew is very sleazy and shady, but how many entitled men of that age think that if a girl of legal age in this country came on to them in a bar, their first thought would be "have they been trafficked?".

There are plenty of older men, older than Andrew, with comparatively much younger wives. Examples you may have heard of include Donald Trump, Richard Gere, Bernie Ecclestone (F1 former head), Mel Gibson, Patrick Stewart and many many others.

He was a stupid, arrogant man who probably genuinely believed he was still the Falklands War hero and that his title of Prince would mean young women fell at his feet. He was even more stupid not just saying up front "What - she was trafficked? Heavens I didn't know that; just knew she was over 16 so "legal" in the UK".

These girls were offered to him on a plate by Epstein. UK law says that if a man soliciting sex from a sex worker has knowledge or even reason to suspect they have been trafficked he can be charged with serious offences including rape, sexual assault and controlling prostitution for gain. ‘We’re in this together’ certainly seems to suggest that Andrew knew something wasn’t right.

upinaballoon · 20/10/2025 11:42

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 20/10/2025 11:07

She said it in ever interview I read and saw her give. I can only speak for myself but I never, ever saw her say she did anything willingly except maybe meet PA because IIRC she was excited to meet a real life prince.

My question wasn't whether she told an interviewer or similar, or whether she had ever said that she told the blokes that she wasn't willing. I don't suppose she did because I expect she'd have been in trouble for that.

I'm not being combative. I think VG made a statement many years ago and I think it was broadcast on a Sunday morning Radio 4 programme after the Maitliss interview. I mean the statement had been made years before the Maitliss interview. I think VG said that Andrew wasn't horrible or anything and when they'd finished he said, "Thank you" and went out of the room.

Really I'm de-railing but for several years, when pps have said there should be criminal charges brought, others have said that it would have only been he said/she said and there wouldn't have been any reasonable hope of a prosecution, I have wondered what the lawyers for each side would have brought up.

I've got to give up Mumsnet. It takes too much time.

PhuckTrump · 20/10/2025 11:47

Aren’t we being a bit harsh on Andrew here? How was he to know that Virginia didn’t fancy the pants off of him? I mean…I remember being 17 and lusting after sweaty middle-aged, dad-dancing, greying blokes with dad bods.

No wait…I meant to say that I lusted after the fit 17 year-old boys on the football pitch.

thepariscrimefiles · 20/10/2025 11:50

LBFseBrom · 20/10/2025 09:44

Along with many others who, at that time, believed Epstein had been wrongly convicted.

I don't believe the words of Lownie, am surprised anyone does. He's up there with Lady Colin Campbell and the Daily Mail.

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I believe that Lownie's book was rigorously fact checked by lawyers and a some stuff was removed. If none of is is true, why hasn't Sarah Ferguson sued?

JustSawJohnny · 20/10/2025 11:50

I'm no royalist but how is it the girls' fault that their Dad is a wrong 'un?

Punishing them publicly would only make the royals look cruel.

chaosmaker · 20/10/2025 11:51

Mondaytuesdayhappydays · 19/10/2025 23:38

On the council estates /areas of poor socio economic status where I work as a Social Worker they would probably have their houses spray painted or be vilified in the street due to their dads behaviour and be ostracised by the local community by association.
That won’t happen to them I imagine.
I expect they will be fairly well cushioned from that and I also suspect that in their circles the whole affair may be down played with the emphasis more on the consequences for father dear rather than his/ Epsteins victims as ‘par for the course - back in those days’

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That is appallling, those people could also have been victims of their fathers. Sad.

EverybodyLTB · 20/10/2025 11:51

If a teenage girl is ‘offered’ to you by an older billionaire, and there’s tonnes of these girls hanging around in mansions, I would say the onus is on you, as an adult who is not vulnerable or uneducated or otherwise mentally incapacitated, to understand that this is not above board. When you’re in the UK and they have an American accent, or you’re on an island and they all have random US, Australian, and European accents I.e. not local, then trafficking is a very real possibility. Having sex with ‘legal’ teenagers when you’re over a certain age, I truly think should result in public flogging. So, people can argue the semantics or the legalities, but surely nobody is arguing that PA is fucking disgusting and abusive?

Re B and E, they’ve had many a leg up, and many many benefits from their parents contacts including hard cash from random billionaires. They went (or B did) straight into consultancy style jobs at 150k a year out of uni. They were given lump sums by the queen as children, which will have grown exponentially over the years and started their lives as adults extremely well. Obviously they’ve been ushered through doors because of their princess status. They will also receive an inheritance when they reach 40 that’s worth something like 5 mil each. Their wealthy husbands are like an inverse of the wealthy American daughters of robber barons marrying the aristos back in the guilded age. The girls now bring the status and the men are bringing the financier dollars. Those princesses have benefited enormously from being the children of corrupt, disgusting criminals, who literally sold access to enemy states for cash to pay for their gross lifestyles. Fergie should have gone to prison for offering private access to PA because it was clearly for nefarious purposes. He’s been found to have met that Chinese spy master multiple times - that’s illegal surely, risking state secrets?

If you’re an adult when do you become culpable? Virginia was groomed for abuse since childhood and she was meant to escape Epstein and Andrew, just say no, and know her own mind at 17? Why can’t B and E say you know what, this is all terrible and we want no parts of it? Are they not intelligent and independent? I’ve cut off rotten family for doing much less and I feel like my conscience wouldn’t allow me not to. Otherwise I felt I was sanctioning immoral behaviour. No fucking way would I be standing by any of this, parents or not. The blood princesses are too cosy and in on it all to decry or denounce l.

CatHairEveryWhereNow · 20/10/2025 11:52

They were hired for one thing and one thing only, and Andrew accepted Epstein offering them to him on a plate.

Sleazy as fuck and possibly criminal behavior as police are now looking - and shocking poor judgement.

I don't think Sarah Ferguson is much better TBH - at very least she terrible with money and has shocking poor judgement.

I don't know what if anything Beatrice & Eugenie have been up to - and it's easy for posters to insit they must do x and y and add to the drama I suspect in RL it's a lot more diffcult - it's their parents and the kids DGP - plus PR wise they keep quite and heads down and if it does look like they'll get taken down as well that probably time to publically condem their father at least.

They'll likely be fine whatever happens.

DelectableMe · 20/10/2025 11:54

@EverybodyLTB thank you! That's exactly what I am thinking. Beatrice and Eugenie have been more than happy to benefit from all of this, support and promote their parents and, in the face of all evidence, continue to support them.

jumpingthehighjump · 20/10/2025 11:55

PhuckTrump · 20/10/2025 11:47

Aren’t we being a bit harsh on Andrew here? How was he to know that Virginia didn’t fancy the pants off of him? I mean…I remember being 17 and lusting after sweaty middle-aged, dad-dancing, greying blokes with dad bods.

No wait…I meant to say that I lusted after the fit 17 year-old boys on the football pitch.

Aren't we being a bit harsh? Are you joking?

Him lying him mixing with a convicted sex trafficker than lying to the British public about it, him having sex with vulnerable young females not much older than his daughters?

Rereading your post I wonder whether it is tongue in cheek...

Allergictoironing · 20/10/2025 11:55

I'm still going on the theory that Andrew is thick as shit and arrogant/entitled to boot. Whether he thought all these young women were flocking around the way some do with rock stars, or whether he realised they were being prostituted, I don't think he has the mental capacity to think any deeper than that to question whether they had been trafficked.

The act states that the accused person must be proven to have the intent to exploit the victim, whereas thick-as-shit probably thought she would be thrilled to have sex with a real live prince and war hero. Arrogant yes, entitled definitely, has an ego the size of the planet yes, has enough brain cells to look past that I would say not. I think he genuinely believes she was happy to service him, wouldn't any woman? Personally I'd rather swear off sex for life than sleep with him, but in HIS mind I would be the anomaly.

reversingdumptruckwithnotyreson · 20/10/2025 11:59

Allergictoironing · 20/10/2025 09:34

That very much depends on whether he knew the girl was being trafficked (as opposed to pimped) by Epstein. Without this case, how many people on here knew beforehand that in the USA they have a law about taking anyone under 18 across state lines for immoral purposes? Equally, in some US states the age of consent is as low as 14.

Don't get me wrong, I think P Andrew is very sleazy and shady, but how many entitled men of that age think that if a girl of legal age in this country came on to them in a bar, their first thought would be "have they been trafficked?".

There are plenty of older men, older than Andrew, with comparatively much younger wives. Examples you may have heard of include Donald Trump, Richard Gere, Bernie Ecclestone (F1 former head), Mel Gibson, Patrick Stewart and many many others.

He was a stupid, arrogant man who probably genuinely believed he was still the Falklands War hero and that his title of Prince would mean young women fell at his feet. He was even more stupid not just saying up front "What - she was trafficked? Heavens I didn't know that; just knew she was over 16 so "legal" in the UK".

But even if she was pimped as opposed to trafficked, it’s still just as exploitative and abhorrent? I don’t understand trying to excuse it.

jumpingthehighjump · 20/10/2025 12:01

EverybodyLTB · 20/10/2025 11:51

If a teenage girl is ‘offered’ to you by an older billionaire, and there’s tonnes of these girls hanging around in mansions, I would say the onus is on you, as an adult who is not vulnerable or uneducated or otherwise mentally incapacitated, to understand that this is not above board. When you’re in the UK and they have an American accent, or you’re on an island and they all have random US, Australian, and European accents I.e. not local, then trafficking is a very real possibility. Having sex with ‘legal’ teenagers when you’re over a certain age, I truly think should result in public flogging. So, people can argue the semantics or the legalities, but surely nobody is arguing that PA is fucking disgusting and abusive?

Re B and E, they’ve had many a leg up, and many many benefits from their parents contacts including hard cash from random billionaires. They went (or B did) straight into consultancy style jobs at 150k a year out of uni. They were given lump sums by the queen as children, which will have grown exponentially over the years and started their lives as adults extremely well. Obviously they’ve been ushered through doors because of their princess status. They will also receive an inheritance when they reach 40 that’s worth something like 5 mil each. Their wealthy husbands are like an inverse of the wealthy American daughters of robber barons marrying the aristos back in the guilded age. The girls now bring the status and the men are bringing the financier dollars. Those princesses have benefited enormously from being the children of corrupt, disgusting criminals, who literally sold access to enemy states for cash to pay for their gross lifestyles. Fergie should have gone to prison for offering private access to PA because it was clearly for nefarious purposes. He’s been found to have met that Chinese spy master multiple times - that’s illegal surely, risking state secrets?

If you’re an adult when do you become culpable? Virginia was groomed for abuse since childhood and she was meant to escape Epstein and Andrew, just say no, and know her own mind at 17? Why can’t B and E say you know what, this is all terrible and we want no parts of it? Are they not intelligent and independent? I’ve cut off rotten family for doing much less and I feel like my conscience wouldn’t allow me not to. Otherwise I felt I was sanctioning immoral behaviour. No fucking way would I be standing by any of this, parents or not. The blood princesses are too cosy and in on it all to decry or denounce l.

Great post and I said elsewhere... I have DDs same age as Beatrice and Eug and if I wanted them to go to the US when they were 19 or 20 to celebrate someone coming out of prison, they would straight away ask what was he in for.
My DDs are very verbal and would have refused to have come

We talk about Beatrice and Eugenie like they are about 15 years old

As for Andrew not knowing these were trafficked girls, even he said it was like a train station with lots of people coming and going. Funny that they all look like teens. There is footage of him at the New York mansion with one coming out who looked so young.
And what about his trips to the Caribbean island where it was awash with young trafficked girls

Calliopespa · 20/10/2025 12:02

Thatstheheatingon · 20/10/2025 00:05

Women aren't to blame for what their fathers do

Exactly.

I don't think there is any good basis to resent those poor girls. For all the "perks" you reference, I am sure they would so much rather live a life without their parents being reviled and ridiculed by so many.

I think they both seem pretty grounded and decent.

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 20/10/2025 12:02

jumpingthehighjump · 20/10/2025 11:55

Aren't we being a bit harsh? Are you joking?

Him lying him mixing with a convicted sex trafficker than lying to the British public about it, him having sex with vulnerable young females not much older than his daughters?

Rereading your post I wonder whether it is tongue in cheek...

Having read a lot of @PhuckTrump other posts I'm 💯sure they are joking.

JeminaTheGiantBear · 20/10/2025 12:02

Beatrice & Eugenie are repulsive grifters - entitled like their parents- who have benefited from their parents’ connections with truly vile authoritarian regimes & oligarchs. (Note all the mainstream media reports slavishly stressing their ‘impeccable Middle East connections’. Who do you think those ‘impeccable connections’ are with?)

The idea that either of them has anything whatsoever to contribute, any intelligence or experience or knowledge that would in any way justify their apparent vast financial success, is ridiculous.

Anyone who really supports the monarchy should be appalled that their ghastly parents, and these two women, have dragged it into the gutter.

Please read Lownie’s book ‘Entitled’, and don’t be put off by the people trying to smear it. It is an absolute eye opener into the depravity & corruption that permeates the ‘House of York’.

PropertyD · 20/10/2025 12:02

Every day this story seems to be getting worse and worse. B and E have TWO parents who are shameless.

Andrew was completely clueless as to what is right or wrong. SF was just a freeloader who looked for every opportunity to grab money for herself.

The daughters meeting Epstein after his convictions is most shocking.

All I can say is...

WHAT ON EARTH ARE ANDREW AND SARAH THINKING! THEY HAVE LET DOWN THE WHOLE FAMILY AND YET THEY SEEM CONFUSED AS TO WHY ITS COME TO THIS.

DelectableMe · 20/10/2025 12:04

Calliopespa · 20/10/2025 12:02

Exactly.

I don't think there is any good basis to resent those poor girls. For all the "perks" you reference, I am sure they would so much rather live a life without their parents being reviled and ridiculed by so many.

I think they both seem pretty grounded and decent.

"poor girls" really?, @Calliopespa ?
"Pretty grounded and decent"?
Not from much of the evidence on here. Oh and they haven't been "girls" for many years.

KnickerlessParsons · 20/10/2025 12:04

Thortour · 20/10/2025 04:07

They need to learn from their parents appalling mistakes. They should get jobs and disappear from public life.
We need a republic

They have jobs.

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 20/10/2025 12:04

Calliopespa · 20/10/2025 12:02

Exactly.

I don't think there is any good basis to resent those poor girls. For all the "perks" you reference, I am sure they would so much rather live a life without their parents being reviled and ridiculed by so many.

I think they both seem pretty grounded and decent.

Just leaving this here. You'll need to click on it to see the full headline, which is also about those "poor girls".

What about Beatrice & Eugenie?
Calliopespa · 20/10/2025 12:07

DelectableMe · 20/10/2025 12:04

"poor girls" really?, @Calliopespa ?
"Pretty grounded and decent"?
Not from much of the evidence on here. Oh and they haven't been "girls" for many years.

Well I would hate to have their existence, so yes, "poor girls."

And the grounded and decent is because I don't know of anything either of them has done apart from get married and start their own families, and Beatrice has done quite a bit of work around dyslexia.

So no, I am not going to deem them guilty till proven innocent, but rather the other way round. What is the "evidence" you refer to?

ETA but you are right, they are older than I tend to remember.

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 20/10/2025 12:09

Calliopespa · 20/10/2025 12:07

Well I would hate to have their existence, so yes, "poor girls."

And the grounded and decent is because I don't know of anything either of them has done apart from get married and start their own families, and Beatrice has done quite a bit of work around dyslexia.

So no, I am not going to deem them guilty till proven innocent, but rather the other way round. What is the "evidence" you refer to?

ETA but you are right, they are older than I tend to remember.

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I'd also hate to be in the company of a convicted child sex offender. But that's not a fact that seemed to bother those "poor girls".