What about Beatrice & Eugenie?

[olderandnonthewiser]

I’m not sure what to think tbh. On one hand they must be so so mortified; on the other they enjoy all the perks of Royalty and their position in the RF despite their revolting father.

How do you see it?

It is. That same poster has said Virginia wasn't trafficked and willingly had sex with PA, which is something Virginia herself never, ever said.

How low someone is prepared to go to dismiss an abused woman is frankly mind blowing.

She said it in ever interview I read and saw her give. I can only speak for myself but I never, ever saw her say she did anything willingly except maybe meet PA because IIRC she was excited to meet a real life prince.

Agree. I don’t know what some posters are thinking. Virginia Robert’s seems to be considered quite capable of consenting to be trafficked for sex at the age of 17, but the Yorks’ two daughters at 19 and 20 are somehow excused from the responsibility of attending a party to celebrate Epstein’s release from prison. Consent seems to be interchangeable at will here.

⬆️⬆️⬆️ this all the way

Im quite shocked at some of the comments.
If anything, children of paedophiles are more likely to have been assaulted too. We should be worried about them really rather than judging

They are definitely a prince and princess as per George V's letters patent of 1917 but they don't use those styles and instead use the Earl of Wessex and Lady Louise Mountbatten-Windsor.

Ever since this story broke I have seen it on here time and time again

But she was 17! Above the age of consent in this country!
She knew what she was doing!
She was after money!
Her father didn't seem to mind did he?!
And the worst one...
She was smiling in the picture so I'm sure she was happy with it all !

Isn’t a large part of his “alibi” that he couldn’t have had sex with Virginia G because he had taken Beatrice to a birthday party at Pizza Express? I wonder how she feels about being used in his alibi like that- whether she’s able to recall the birthday party and whether in her mind it actually exonerates him, assuming she was a child and not necessarily able to add up the exact dates and times.

Aren’t they both, or at least one of them close with Harry and Meghan?

Sorry if I'm being dense but are you saying the if B & E knowingly, willingly associated with a convicted pedophile then they shouldn't face any kind of backlash because they have young kids?

And by backlash I'm not meaning harm to themselves or their property but the same thing that's happened to their parents, loss of titles and privileges.

To be honest, family estrangement happens over a lot less than your mother and father exposing you to a sex offender, shaming their country and lying to the public.

I realise they love their parents and have a close bond, but as women approaching middle age, who have children themselves- they need to stop acting like little princesses of York and start putting in barriers between their own families and their parents. Otherwise, Andrew and Fergie will bring them down too.

A few carefully placed stories put out that E & B are appalled by their parents actions wouldnt go amiss.

According to VG, Andrew knew she was 17 because he said to her that his own daughters were only a little younger than her. Absolutely disgusting man.

I know.
Sometimes other humans just never fail to be a disappointment.

Understated?!!!!

I think they should step back from the Royal family for now. The House of York is obviously toxic for the Monarchy at present and if they just led their lives away from it all for a year or two or more, that to me would be the sensible thing to do.
I wonder if they are sensible though?

They shouldn't be doing the walkabout on Christmas morning, to me that is just provocative. No Ascot carriage riding, garden parties. Let it all die down however long that takes and maybe they can re-establish themselves within the royal family at some point

No. That’s not how the law works. You are not ‘innocent’ because you can verbally state that you didn’t know the law of the land!!

He committed a crime whether he knew it or not.

Why on earth should we be worried about them ? They, like their father, are cushioned from the harsh realities the rest of us live with, and will no doubt be afforded all the privileges of their status in dealing with the fall out from this.

And do we really know how much they knew about Epstein ? They were adults when they attended the party held to celebrate Epsteins release from prison. Epstein attended Beatrice’s 18th birthday party, and Beatrice was reportedly heavily involved in the Maitliss interview, which has subsequently been proven to be a tissue of lies. Both sisters have received money from a billionaire accused of fraud, and both sisters have remained publicly silent about Epstein except to complain about the shadow it’s cast over them.

Apples don't fall far from the tree.
There have been stories they used to call Epstein "Uncle Jeffrey". If that wasn't true then surely they'd be issuing statements or suing the papers. Instead radio silence.

A few well placed stories wouldn't cut it at this point. It would need to be a strongly worded statement condemning Epstein, offering sympathy and support for his victims and saying whilst they will obviously always love their parents they do not support their behaviours and are horrified by recent revelations.

Will never happen though.

I agree 100%. I think he is loathsome and I’m sure there are darker things that have yet to come to light, but until then…?

This. And then this AGAIN.

Putting to one side for a moment the is he/isn't he guilty of paedophilia, he is definitely guilty of lying, on TV, about his lack of further contact with Epstein. There is proof that he lied. There are emails from him expressing some revolting references to future meets. Shameful. Disgusting.

We could try believing a woman who has said she was she was trafficked and exploited. Maybe?

Agree. In the UK a man soliciting a sex worker subsequently proven to have been trafficked can face serious charges. If it’s proven that they knew or circumstances dictate that they should have suspected the person had been trafficked, they can be charged with rape or sexual assault, and even controlling prostitution for gain. And the CPS can pursue charges under the Modern Slavery Act where there is not enough evidence of the knowledge or suspicion of trafficking. So no. Ignorance of the law is not a defence.

The Philips have had a very different upbringing IMO. Never had titles, mother is very hard working and sets a better example than Fergie or Andrew. They’ve both worked and done their own thing. If Zara wasn’t an Olympian married to a famous rugby player we’d probably never hear about them.

Yep. This 100%. Beggars belief that some people are incapable of joining the dots.

I think that we need to see what, if anything, comes out about them first. If they’re complicit they’d be wise to keep very low profiles.

FWIW I get the impression that like all the royals they enjoyed the money and the lifestyle and the access to rich spouses ….but this pair didn’t know/ask much about their parents’ activities so are innocent of actual wrongdoing. But who knows.

I can’t for the life of me fathom out why people think he couldn’t possibly have known, or even suspected that the young girls he was being offered weren’t trafficked for that purpose, and those emails say it all. Paedophilia may not be an appropriate charge, but rape certainly is. If they were trafficked, those girls were not capable of consent.