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JennyShaw · 20/10/2025 10:11

JillyJoy · 20/10/2025 07:57

I had not heard about this. Any more information available.
Are they not both married to very rich blokes from very wealthy families?

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I was listening to two presenters on the radio and they were talking about Prince Andrew. One of them said that his daughters were doing excellent work to do with trafficking. I decided to look into it.

It is only one of them who campaigns about trafficking. It seems she has her own charity that she runs with a posh chum. Neither of them seem to understand the issues involved and they support some dodgy organisations such as American Evangelical groups that cause more harm than good.

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 20/10/2025 10:15

@EmpressSisi Presumably they also thought Jeffrey Epstein was innocent (or didn't care) as they seem to have been as supportive of him as their parents.

Thedom · 20/10/2025 10:21

I find it hard to believe Andrew didn’t understand why Epstein had all these very young pretty girls ‘working’ for him, especially when these young girls are offering themselves to him along with Epstein also offering young women to him (recent email disclosure). I absolutely do not believe Andrew can be called a paedophile for having sex with VG, it is such an exaggeration it almost makes a mockery of what he did and what those young girls suffered.

lifeonmars100 · 20/10/2025 10:22

OswaldCobblepot · 20/10/2025 01:41

They're not innocent victims. The Lownie book provides various examples of their grubbiness.

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I watched an interview with him yesterday (that man must be doing back to back interviews currently!) and he said that he left a lot of stuff about them out of "Entitled" but would be including it in the updated paperback edition which will be published next summer. He mentioned that some of their financial dealings were "shady"

PhuckTrump · 20/10/2025 10:24

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 20/10/2025 09:50

Absolutely but they are to blame for their own actions, which includes going with their mother to celebrate Epstein's release from prison. Both were over 18 when they chose to do it, so neither was being taken against their will.

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Exactly. We’ve seen some interesting mental gymnastics here today. On the one hand, a 16 year old has the wherewithal to consent to submit to being trafficked internationally for sex. On the other hand, we have princesses in their 20s who aren’t capable of having consented to meet with Epstein.

Both can’t be true.

Birlingsaresnobs · 20/10/2025 10:26

sesquipedalian · 20/10/2025 08:44

For heaven’s sake - Prince Andrew has never been found guilty in court. He is assuredly guilty of a massive lack of judgement, but he is not a criminal. He is not a paedophile, either - she was 17, so well over the age of consent in this country. She says he slept with him three times: he denies it. Let us not forget that Giuffre sued Alan Dershowitz in 2019 alleging he defamed her when he denied her claims and suggested she and her lawyers were trying to extort money from others - and she had to drop the allegations, saying she “may have made a mistake”. As for the Maitlis interview, I read that Princess Beatrice begged him not to do it, but Andrew thought he knew better. He is a fool, but that doesn’t make him a criminal.

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He is a user, an exploiter and has no integrity.

CatHairEveryWhereNow · 20/10/2025 10:27

Plugsocketrocket · 20/10/2025 09:20

That is what most people like to think they would have they found out a family member is a paedophile but in reality that is not what people do. Most families cover up for abusers, unfortunately I’m speaking from personal experience as the victim of abuse bit also that experience has been confirmed by a number of therapists over the years as being the norm. Eugenie and Beatrice have never been confronted by that side of their father so it is very unlikely that they will face up to it.

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I sadly agree with this - seeing it play out in DH family luckily at a distance.

It went from it a malcious counter accusation talked about with outrage - which TBH did sound plausible- to DH being instructed not to discuss it with me his wife - which he ignored as police did invesigate and talk to CPS - though no procesution.

I wasn't shocked though - I had some of his family be incredbile rude and awful to me in front of kith and kin and less than five minutes later I'm being told how lucky I am to have that family member in my life - err you saw what there like with me and you'd get but there lovely to me - like that's supposed to matter more than how they treat me. So people closing ranks and not seeing what there already knew they did.

Many grown adults struggle with idea that people they know and like have different faces to others - it's hardly a revolutionary idea but there you are.

YorK sisters will be fine though - they have their own lives.

Rosscameasdoody · 20/10/2025 10:33

olderandnonthewiser · 19/10/2025 23:26

I’m not sure what to think tbh. On one hand they must be so so mortified; on the other they enjoy all the perks of Royalty and their position in the RF despite their revolting father.

How do you see it?

Having read the Lownie book, Entitled, I really couldn’t care less, and there’s more to come apparently. They are well cushioned and privileged, so much better able to cope with the fall out than others less so.

lifeonmars100 · 20/10/2025 10:36

Birlingsaresnobs · 20/10/2025 07:58

"working royals" Hilarious.

Are they up at 7 am making the packed lunches, scraping the ice off the car, popping into Tesco for a meal deal?

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😂That expression always amuses me, a "working royal" has their diary managed months in advance by some lackey, when they go to "work! they will have been well briefed by staff about whatever they are going to. They will be kitted out in very expensive clothes, if female their hair and make up will be done and a luxury chaffeur driven car will take them to their destination. Some smiling, waving and superficial chat and then off they go back home. I don't doubt that it can be boring and repetitive but it beats a 12 hour shift in A and E, stacking shelves on the night shift, emptying the bins or driving a bus to name just a few real jobs

Banjaxxedd · 20/10/2025 10:37

MeridianB · 20/10/2025 08:15

This.

And the author said there was a mountain of other things that he hadn’t been able to include in the book (presumably because of legal caution) and I suspect some of this may relate to the daughters.

They were 19 and 20 when they went with their mother to that party - easily old enough to say ‘No thanks’. Fergie took them to increase the visible support for Epstein.

They seemed to become so much more mature in recent years and it was too much to hope they were significantly different from their parents.

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It’s almost as if SF trafficked her own daughters to ensure she got her cash from Epstein.

portocristo · 20/10/2025 10:38

Do you think Fergie,Beatrice and Eugenie have ever confronted him and said WTAF did you think you were doing ?

Rosscameasdoody · 20/10/2025 10:42

user1492757084 · 20/10/2025 08:38

And Andrew professes innocence. He always has.
He very stupidly used Epstein as a financial advisor and was taken in, along with many famous people and people of trusted repute, by the charismatic, sly JE. It's how JE worked and gained very wealthy investors.

VG had been a source of young girls herself, had been shown to lie but she, sadly, is dead. Her children chose to leave her.

Beatrice and Eugenie should not have to answer for their parents' gullibility, stupidity and entitlement.

They will continue to adore and love their parents. They won't choose to leave their parents because they believe Andrew tells the truth. He has not been charged.

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Taken in ????

DelectableMe · 20/10/2025 10:43

portocristo · 20/10/2025 10:38

Do you think Fergie,Beatrice and Eugenie have ever confronted him and said WTAF did you think you were doing ?

I doubt it.

Slinky1460 · 20/10/2025 10:44

They both married well and will have an aristocratic lifestyle regardless of the father's crimes. They must be really torn between the two sides.

MooDengOfThailand · 20/10/2025 10:45

olderandnonthewiser · 19/10/2025 23:26

I’m not sure what to think tbh. On one hand they must be so so mortified; on the other they enjoy all the perks of Royalty and their position in the RF despite their revolting father.

How do you see it?

I think they're screwed.

Mydadsbirthday · 20/10/2025 10:48

Shetlands · 20/10/2025 03:36

Of course they must be upset about their parents (yet again) but none of the non-working royals should have the style Prince or Princess. It's 2025 and we're not living in a fairy tale.

Princess Anne's children have actually had a better life being plain Peter and Zara. Prince Edward's children don't use their Prince/Princess style and they don't appear to be suffering.

Beatrice and Eugenie have very privileged lives due to their wealth and family connections. They'll survive not being princesses.

Prince Edward's children aren't prince and princess, they are Viscount and Lady as per the children of an earl (I think). And they're quite young still and in education so it's too early to tell what they will and won't do with their royal status.

lifeonmars100 · 20/10/2025 10:49

Imdunfer · 20/10/2025 09:26

Beatrice and Eugenie do not have a paedophile as a father and are not excusing him being a paedophile.

There is nothing remotely paedophile about a male of any age being sexually attracted to a fertile and sexually experienced young woman of 17.
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Are you for real? Do you have no understanding about abuse, grooming, trafficking, power imbalance, and the vulnerability of very young women enmeshed in a world of predatory and perverted adults. Any decent man especially one who was aged 41 and a father of two girls of a similar age would be repulsed by being offered a 17 year old girl to use for sexual gratification.

Tigercrane · 20/10/2025 10:50

Will they be morrified though, they probably have a wierd relatiinship with money.Odd ideas about who you can be friends with.

DelectableMe · 20/10/2025 10:53

lifeonmars100 · 20/10/2025 10:49

Are you for real? Do you have no understanding about abuse, grooming, trafficking, power imbalance, and the vulnerability of very young women enmeshed in a world of predatory and perverted adults. Any decent man especially one who was aged 41 and a father of two girls of a similar age would be repulsed by being offered a 17 year old girl to use for sexual gratification.

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You'd think!

Allswellthatendswelll · 20/10/2025 10:56

Mondaytuesdayhappydays · 19/10/2025 23:38

On the council estates /areas of poor socio economic status where I work as a Social Worker they would probably have their houses spray painted or be vilified in the street due to their dads behaviour and be ostracised by the local community by association.
That won’t happen to them I imagine.
I expect they will be fairly well cushioned from that and I also suspect that in their circles the whole affair may be down played with the emphasis more on the consequences for father dear rather than his/ Epsteins victims as ‘par for the course - back in those days’

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I hope as a social worker you aren't condoning that kind of behaviour? Sounds horrific.

They both have jobs and small children, they should just live their lives in peace out of the public eye.

I'm more interested in who Epsteins other clients were and who has got away with it.

ThePollutedShadesOfPemberley · 20/10/2025 10:57

The higher you are the further you fall but in general, I don't feel sorry for any of them. They were always the skeevy and amoral wing of the family or rather the more overtly so. I suspect none of the RF could stand up to having a proper light shone in but it's that the Yorks are so obviously venal in their behaviour which will come from a more developed sense of entitlement.

I'm struggling with having been fucked up by the NHS, having no avenue of redress and trying to get by week to week, having lost my job as a result.

I could not give a crap about these people in gilded cages.

I feel sorry for Virginia Roberts if I feel sorry for anyone in this.

Rosscameasdoody · 20/10/2025 10:59

sesquipedalian · 20/10/2025 08:44

For heaven’s sake - Prince Andrew has never been found guilty in court. He is assuredly guilty of a massive lack of judgement, but he is not a criminal. He is not a paedophile, either - she was 17, so well over the age of consent in this country. She says he slept with him three times: he denies it. Let us not forget that Giuffre sued Alan Dershowitz in 2019 alleging he defamed her when he denied her claims and suggested she and her lawyers were trying to extort money from others - and she had to drop the allegations, saying she “may have made a mistake”. As for the Maitlis interview, I read that Princess Beatrice begged him not to do it, but Andrew thought he knew better. He is a fool, but that doesn’t make him a criminal.

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There are plenty of people who weren’t tried and convicted for their crimes - doesn’t mean they were innocent. Andrew has so far benefited from layers of protection afforded by his position, from having to face the consequences of his actions. And far from begging Andrew not to do it, Beatrice was instrumental in planning the Maitlis interview, being present at the meetings, notebook and pen in hand. It’s documented.

Virginia Guiffre alleged she was trafficked for sex by Epstein, so if Andrew did have sex with her, it most certainly wasn’t with her consent was it ? He’s more than a fool, and his actions are a lot more than a lack of judgement. She was seventeen and no-one knows the pressure she was under if she had been trafficked.

jumpingthehighjump · 20/10/2025 11:00

lifeonmars100 · 20/10/2025 10:49

Are you for real? Do you have no understanding about abuse, grooming, trafficking, power imbalance, and the vulnerability of very young women enmeshed in a world of predatory and perverted adults. Any decent man especially one who was aged 41 and a father of two girls of a similar age would be repulsed by being offered a 17 year old girl to use for sexual gratification.

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Thank you. That is what I have tried and failed to put over
The victim blaming on here together with excusing Andrews behaviour is unreal

Rosscameasdoody · 20/10/2025 11:03

Thedom · 20/10/2025 10:21

I find it hard to believe Andrew didn’t understand why Epstein had all these very young pretty girls ‘working’ for him, especially when these young girls are offering themselves to him along with Epstein also offering young women to him (recent email disclosure). I absolutely do not believe Andrew can be called a paedophile for having sex with VG, it is such an exaggeration it almost makes a mockery of what he did and what those young girls suffered.

If she was trafficked she wasn’t capable of consent, so if not a paedophile what do you think that makes him ?

upinaballoon · 20/10/2025 11:04

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 20/10/2025 09:55

But VG said she was trafficked and was unwilling.

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Did she say this in a statement or is it in the book which 'comes out this week'?
Is there any place where VG says that she made it clear to her clients, for want of a better word, that she was servicing them, which seems like the most accurate term, unwillingly?

Some posters have used the words 'seemingly willing' and I think those two words would carry some weight if there had been or if there will be, a criminal court hearing.