What about Beatrice & Eugenie?

[olderandnonthewiser]

I’m not sure what to think tbh. On one hand they must be so so mortified; on the other they enjoy all the perks of Royalty and their position in the RF despite their revolting father.

How do you see it?

Er… might be unintentional, but you come across as quite keen on the spray painting/ abuse on the street. I think most of us would not want Beatrice and Eugenie subjected to vigilante ‘justice’ from violent morons based on who their father is.

The parents will flog a diamond/some shite dresses/ write about Diana/ a helicopter book.

Exactly this. I think they will stand by their dad. They are obviously a close family. It will be interesting to see if they choose to stay with their parents at Christmas or turn up for the Sandringham walk.

Did the Queen leave everything to Charles? How come Andrew is so (relatively) skint? Spending beyond his means?

Not technically guilty, as in a court of law, but his lies have been exposed, and of course the extraordinary gift of £12,000,000 to a woman he has never met (!) stinks like two week old fish guts.

Erm. Plenty of people work but don't do any of that.

They had a lot more than the majority of the country,

They still have a lot more than the majority of the country

They will still have a lot more than the majority of the country.

Virginia Giuffre and her family have nothing.

They both appear happily married with children, jobs and charity work so I don't see that anything much will change for them. Charles has a soft spot for them but only as family members, they'll never be working royals again - can't see that bothering either of them tbh, it was more A pushing for it all the time.

This.

And the author said there was a mountain of other things that he hadn’t been able to include in the book (presumably because of legal caution) and I suspect some of this may relate to the daughters.

They were 19 and 20 when they went with their mother to that party - easily old enough to say ‘No thanks’. Fergie took them to increase the visible support for Epstein.

They seemed to become so much more mature in recent years and it was too much to hope they were significantly different from their parents.

Erm, What " work" do they do please?

I was only using that as example.

Do they have line managers? Deadlines?

dont they both have young children?

wiki tells me Beatrice had a baby in January 2025

Some strange views on this thread.

Firstly, while ordinary men who abuse small children do face retaliation on the streets sometimes, men who have sex with 17 year olds don't tend to, even if the circumstances are dodgy. IRL noone cares and men routinely get away with it

Secondly the York sisters do have paying jobs and are not officially supported by the state. They also both have rich husbands, so even if they weren't royal they wouldn't be scrubbing floors to make a living or scraping ice off their cars or making packed lunches.

Thirdly, the Phillips branch of the family are probably not as self sufficient as the Yorks. Peter Phillips has had help with his business, Zara couldn't have had an equestrian career without substantial funds behind her. Both siblings live in housing provided by their mother, which was gifted to her by the late Queen. There is no evidence they are any better examples of self sufficiency than any other royals.

Often wondered where Sarah got 4.25 million to buy a Belgravia townhouse in 2022 .
Curious as she was always in debt and needed bailing out frequently. More curiouser is her selling it at a £400.000 loss in August because it was a "good time to sell"

Virginia is no longer here but was a mult-millionaire. Her children will inherit.

She has made quite a lot of money in recent years as a writer and speaker (very popular in the USA), and generally become more financially savvy. We all make mistakes but most of us can leave the past behind. She is different to how she was years ago and always seems very nice, kind and friendly. Why worry if she is doing well now, she's done her penance - and publicly.

At 19/20, they were still very young. Barely older than Virginia Guiffre who I think we can all agree was young enough to be pressured into doing things she didn't want to do.

Maybe they have got that sense. I hope they have.

Do they push themselves forward in the group walking to church on Christmas Day? Has it looked as if they were pushing themselves forward, or as if they're walking with the family? Have they pushed themselves forward bossily and told Uncle Charles they must be at the garden parties? To me, so far, it hasn't looked as if they have/do.

And Andrew professes innocence. He always has.
He very stupidly used Epstein as a financial advisor and was taken in, along with many famous people and people of trusted repute, by the charismatic, sly JE. It's how JE worked and gained very wealthy investors.

VG had been a source of young girls herself, had been shown to lie but she, sadly, is dead. Her children chose to leave her.

Beatrice and Eugenie should not have to answer for their parents' gullibility, stupidity and entitlement.

They will continue to adore and love their parents. They won't choose to leave their parents because they believe Andrew tells the truth. He has not been charged.

Isn't it strange how the wheel of fortune turns? I remember when Andrew returned from the Falklands - a war hero - with a red rose in his teeth and Koo Stark was waiting for him.

Around the same time, Edward was mocked and blasted by the press for leaving the Marines and organising the awful 'It's a Royal Knock-out'!

Now Edward is one of the most reliable, charming and amiable of all the RF, and Andrew? Well .......................

I'm not sure that they will continue to adore their parents.

They might have thought that what A did was grubby but consensual.

There's more coming out now so harder to brush aside as a one off unrepeated, regretted mistake.

So what excuse is there for Beatrice setting up the disastrous Andrew interview, years later?

Also it's pretty disgusting for you to compare them to trafficking and rape victims.

I hope they don't. Nothing would surprise me about the Yorks
I think they should step back too

For heaven’s sake - Prince Andrew has never been found guilty in court. He is assuredly guilty of a massive lack of judgement, but he is not a criminal. He is not a paedophile, either - she was 17, so well over the age of consent in this country. She says he slept with him three times: he denies it. Let us not forget that Giuffre sued Alan Dershowitz in 2019 alleging he defamed her when he denied her claims and suggested she and her lawyers were trying to extort money from others - and she had to drop the allegations, saying she “may have made a mistake”. As for the Maitlis interview, I read that Princess Beatrice begged him not to do it, but Andrew thought he knew better. He is a fool, but that doesn’t make him a criminal.

The whole 'in poor communities offenders would be ostracised' thing very much depends on the community it seems, going by the grooming gangs cases.

He didn't force himself on a child. He had sex with an apparently willing 17 year old, not a child. He might well have, and probably did, know she was being prostituted by Epstein, but I think it really devalues the term paedophilia to call sex with a 17 year old paedophilia.

Beatrice and Eugenie stroke me as having grown into decent women. I hope that's true.