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Mylovelygreendress · 12/10/2025 19:35

IAmATorturedPoet · 12/10/2025 19:30

Was that the main driving force for Harry meeting with KCIII, he wanted ask him, again, to intervene regarding his existing security arrangement?

Would go some way to explain why it was only 50mins.

I have never believed this is about safety ( remember him wandering around ringing doorbells?) it’s about having what William has .

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 12/10/2025 19:41

I just looked it up and it seems not, PullTheBricksDown
Some diplomatic passport holders will also be IPPs - though it doesn't follow automatically - but diplomatic immunity and IPP status appear to be completely different processes:

What IPP status means
Automatic state-funded security:
Individuals with this status are entitled to security from the host country and their own government, regardless of where they travel.

International protection:
The Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of Crimes against Internationally Protected Persons mandates that signatory states prevent attacks on the person, freedom, or dignity of such individuals.

Who is included:
Typically includes Heads of State, heads of government, ministers for foreign affairs, and other high-ranking officials or representatives of international organizations, along with members of their families who accompany them.

Role-based, not passport-based:
Holding a diplomatic passport does not automatically confer IPP status. The status is tied to the person's official role and the purpose of their visit, not the type of passport.

IPP status vs. diplomatic immunity
IPP status is about security:
It is a designation focused on physical protection from harm while traveling abroad.

Diplomatic immunity is about legal protection:
It provides immunity from the criminal and civil jurisdiction of the host country for official acts.

Different legal frameworks:
IPP status is governed by the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of Crimes against Internationally Protected Persons, while diplomatic immunity is established through separate agreements like the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations.

Waiver is key for immunity:
Diplomatic immunity can be waived, but only by the sending state, not by the individual diplomat themselves

BasiliskStare · 12/10/2025 20:32

Thank you for that Telegraph link @bluegreygreen .

What an ocean going entitled bumptious twit is Harry ? Does it ever occur to him with his innate skills and talents where he would be without his accident of birth. Be grateful , not use it to want more is my advice.

I feel rather better for having said that 😂Give me a by on that would everyone. Gin&T this evening for me . Have had much more important things to worry about than H but actually that outburst has made me feel better.

Indianrollerbird · 12/10/2025 20:36

Did any of you see this article from Richard Eden (DM royal diarist)? He thinks there is a move to bring Harry back (against William’s wishes) called Operation Thaw.

https://archive.ph/73COv

BigWillyLittleTodger · 12/10/2025 20:36

I don’t really understand this “lobbying” Harry is doing, can Keir Starmer just overule the British courts and award him security, IPP status etc.?

MrsFinkelstein · 12/10/2025 20:37

OctopusFriend · 12/10/2025 15:30

How offensive, did you see that interview? He didn't just "call in on her" then "drop" her.
You have absolutely no idea. His Trust gave £1m to her charity. He listened to her story and talked to her about the stigma of suicide.
That interview made me cry.
How on earth can you trivialise it like that?
Dear god.

That is pretty much word for word the current script the Sussex Squad are currently going with. It inevitably makes it's way over here too.

They really are having to scrape the bottom now.

OctopusFriend · 12/10/2025 20:39

BigWillyLittleTodger · 12/10/2025 20:36

I don’t really understand this “lobbying” Harry is doing, can Keir Starmer just overule the British courts and award him security, IPP status etc.?

No, but classic Harry, he not only thinks he's above the courts, he thinks he should be personally attended to by the PM.
What else has Starmer got to do?

Letmeoutodhere · 12/10/2025 20:40

BigWillyLittleTodger · 12/10/2025 20:36

I don’t really understand this “lobbying” Harry is doing, can Keir Starmer just overule the British courts and award him security, IPP status etc.?

I think he just wants to keep stirring the pot in the hope that Daddykins will swing it for him. Such is his ignorance of how things work.

bluegreygreen · 12/10/2025 20:40

Yes, I saw that one @Indianrollerbird

The most interesting part - that the Duchess of Sussex will be returning before the end of the year ‘bearing humble pie’ - presumably for someone else to eat?

Mylovelygreendress · 12/10/2025 20:42

bluegreygreen · 12/10/2025 20:40

Yes, I saw that one @Indianrollerbird

The most interesting part - that the Duchess of Sussex will be returning before the end of the year ‘bearing humble pie’ - presumably for someone else to eat?

With flower sprinkles ?

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bluegreygreen · 12/10/2025 20:42

Mylovelygreendress · 12/10/2025 20:42

With flower sprinkles ?

We do need that laughing emoji!

Mylovelygreendress · 12/10/2025 20:43

Indianrollerbird · 12/10/2025 20:36

Did any of you see this article from Richard Eden (DM royal diarist)? He thinks there is a move to bring Harry back (against William’s wishes) called Operation Thaw.

https://archive.ph/73COv

Edited

Why on earth would the RF want Harry back other than reconnecting as a family ?
He cannot be trusted and there is no way Meghan would be welcomed.

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CathyorClaire · 12/10/2025 20:43

JSMill · 12/10/2025 12:16

So H has written to the PM and the Home Secretary. At some point, questions need to be asked about how weak the King is when it comes to controlling members of his family who behave inappropriately. A member of the RF should not be asking politicians to be overruling civil servants and the courts.

I've commented on how weak the notoriously conflict averse C3 looks when it comes to dealing decisively with his increasingly boorish son along with his eternally boorish brother.

The answer seems always to have been that grey-rocking the former is working while the latter has been punished enough with the loss of his royal role and is 'Entitled' (!) to attend private family events.

Both take the piss endlessly.

OctopusFriend · 12/10/2025 20:43

Letmeoutodhere · 12/10/2025 20:40

I think he just wants to keep stirring the pot in the hope that Daddykins will swing it for him. Such is his ignorance of how things work.

He had absolutely no idea of how the UK monarchy worked and he was brought up with it! He was shocked that the RF was a hierarchy!
Nothing would surprise me about his level of ignorance.

Viviennemary · 12/10/2025 20:44

Because some wise guy thinks this is the best way to get publicity for this award. Which is probably right. Whether or not its good publicity is another question.

BigWillyLittleTodger · 12/10/2025 20:45

OctopusFriend · 12/10/2025 20:39

No, but classic Harry, he not only thinks he's above the courts, he thinks he should be personally attended to by the PM.
What else has Starmer got to do?

He is so full of puffed up self importance and entitlement. He really is the new Prince Andrew.

OctopusFriend · 12/10/2025 20:46

BigWillyLittleTodger · 12/10/2025 20:45

He is so full of puffed up self importance and entitlement. He really is the new Prince Andrew.

Isn't he just!

CathyorClaire · 12/10/2025 20:49

Probably the only thing he could do to shut him up would be to start funding him again

No royal has ever been left on their uppers and Harold won't be the first.

It's hard to believe the funding has ever stopped.

Indianrollerbird · 12/10/2025 20:52

The Vintage Read has a contact who has told her that Operation Thaw is being rolled out to allow Harry to do events in the UK in the run up to Invictus. Yvette Cooper is apparently one of the main drivers of this, which is why Harry was able to go to Ukraine at the same time as her a few weeks ago.

You can perhaps see how this might benefit Labour. Labour run Birmingham council has presided over a complete mess. There are council elections in Birmingham in May 2026. Harry usually does a “1 year to go” series of events for Invictus, and Spring 2026, 1 year before the Birmingham games, would coincide with the run up to council elections. Those elections are going to be a mid term indictment on the Labour government - unless Labour can turn things around and get the public on side public. The electorate of Birmingham is ethically diverse and may well have many voters sympathetic to Meghan and Harry and their racism claims. Labour bringing H&M back might be a vote winner for them.

Yvette Cooper is also married to Ed Balls, Piers Morgan’s replacement on GMB, and it’s pretty clear that H&M have a hotline to the head of ITV and Chris Ship, ITN’s royal editor. I wonder if some sort of back channelling is going on.

LidlAmaretto · 12/10/2025 20:56

Birmingham is on its uppers I thought, and they keep being lumbered with the Commonwealth Games too . Plus the whole issue of Harry and his family it seems an odd choice to hold the Invictus games there.

CathyorClaire · 12/10/2025 20:58

There is an argument that what he really still wants is IPP status, which would protect him from any consequences if he has been careless around legal requirements for his charities.

I agree entirely.

CathyorClaire · 12/10/2025 21:02

LidlAmaretto · 12/10/2025 20:56

Birmingham is on its uppers I thought, and they keep being lumbered with the Commonwealth Games too . Plus the whole issue of Harry and his family it seems an odd choice to hold the Invictus games there.

Cost us £26m to bid for it.

I'd love a breakdown on where that went.

Indianrollerbird · 12/10/2025 21:02

LidlAmaretto · 12/10/2025 20:56

Birmingham is on its uppers I thought, and they keep being lumbered with the Commonwealth Games too . Plus the whole issue of Harry and his family it seems an odd choice to hold the Invictus games there.

I can’t remember the guy’s name now, but it was a Tory MP, ex military, who lobbied for Invictus in Brum and secured £27m of taxpayers’ money to cover it. Despite the central govt funding, Birmingham will probably take some kind of additional financial hit that is not guaranteed to be off set by attendee revenues. The MP was a friend of Harry.

CathyorClaire · 12/10/2025 21:10

I can’t remember the guy’s name now

Johnny Mercer Envy😡