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Ohpleeeease · 07/08/2025 18:25

Profhilodisaster · 07/08/2025 17:04

A source close to the two princes told Newsweek: "There are a lot of complexities to the governance structure of Sentebale, which means we're not entirely clear as to, for example, whether or not Sentebale in Lesotho is a separate organization and charity to Sentebale in the UK And it's something that Prince Seeiso is exploring."
If they legally divide, the pair could regain control of the charity's Lesotho division.

What would be the point though?

Edited

If there was an issue with the Lesotho operation not falling within the purview of the UK registered charity you’d expect the Charity Commission to have noticed in the course of their investigations.

Even if they manage to separate the two entities, the money belongs with the charity and is under the control of the validly appointed trustees.

TizerorFizz · 07/08/2025 18:27

If I was Sophie, I’d be wanting another job. She’s got a very good cv.

IdaGlossop · 07/08/2025 18:42

Puzzledandpissedoff · 07/08/2025 16:43

For Harry's involvement with them maybe, but hopefully not for the organisations themselves

For that, though, they might do better to be proactive and ease him out before a crisis arrives as it's done with others. He'd moan of course, but I'm not sure how much it would matter now he's discredited himself so thoroughly

It should be quite easy for Well Child and IG to put together an evidence file showing why association with Harry risks the charity's reputation and ability to fundraise. Switched-on trustees should see, after the African Parks raping wardens accusations and the poor governance at Sentebale found by the Charity Commission, that the least they should be doing is assessing the organisational risk and making sure minutes reflect their discussions.

IdaGlossop · 07/08/2025 18:44

TizerorFizz · 07/08/2025 18:27

If I was Sophie, I’d be wanting another job. She’s got a very good cv.

Chair roles are not paid. She loses nothing financially by sticking with it and showing she can make it a going concern.

Profhilodisaster · 07/08/2025 18:46

I seem to say this with boring regularity on threads about H&M , but what a mess . I've never known anyone to cause so much mayhem in just about everything they are involved with , it's ridiculous, he has advisors, access to good legal help, money but can't do anything without causing upset.

CoffeeCantata · 07/08/2025 18:55

jeffgoldblum · 07/08/2025 17:00

I read an article today that said both Harry and sensio are looking to see if they can separate sentable U.K. from sentable lo , if they can they will operate that part themselves! , I will see if I can find and post it!

All this mess and destruction because Meghan barged in with Serena and the ubiquitous NF team and didn’t like being told off for it (not to mention trying to take over the awards line-up).

If she’s as unpopular as she seems with Invictus, that’s 2 of H’s charities she’s messed up.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 07/08/2025 19:03

Even if they manage to separate the two entities, the money belongs with the charity and is under the control of the validly appointed trustees

Be honest, @Ohpleeeease - would you care to be the one having to explain that to Harry? Grin

Puzzledandpissedoff · 07/08/2025 19:05

IdaGlossop · 07/08/2025 18:42

It should be quite easy for Well Child and IG to put together an evidence file showing why association with Harry risks the charity's reputation and ability to fundraise. Switched-on trustees should see, after the African Parks raping wardens accusations and the poor governance at Sentebale found by the Charity Commission, that the least they should be doing is assessing the organisational risk and making sure minutes reflect their discussions.

You'd think so wouldn't you IdaGlossop?

Obviously it's a matter for them, but if they fail to act I really don't see this getting any better

JSMill · 07/08/2025 19:05

Why are the media not calling this out? Partly because your average reporter doesn’t think too deeply or critically about things and because they are unconsciously biased towards white males.

IdaGlossop · 07/08/2025 19:07

TizerorFizz · 07/08/2025 16:38

@Ohpleeeease As he lost his security case, would he come anyway? It’s not official business is it? Or would they say it was?

He will get security if he comes. He has to give a month's notice, a risk assessment is done, and bespoke security is provided. What the security case was about was him and family getting 24/7 security every day, no matter where they are in the world.

IdaGlossop · 07/08/2025 19:09

Puzzledandpissedoff · 07/08/2025 19:05

You'd think so wouldn't you IdaGlossop?

Obviously it's a matter for them, but if they fail to act I really don't see this getting any better

You would think so. Beneficiaries of the charities may already be protesting too.

HonoriaBulstrode · 07/08/2025 19:21

It should be quite easy for Well Child and IG to put together an evidence file showing why association with Harry risks the charity's reputation and ability to fundraise.

I think IG is probably a lost cause. M being allowed to impose herself everywhere suggests very weak leadership.

I looked up WellChild. Three of the trustees have solid business, financial and legal backgrounds; one would hope they are keeping a close eye on things.

I don't think M has ever tried to muscle in on WellChild, has she, and as it's a UK only organisation they are probably safe from her.

IdaGlossop · 07/08/2025 19:27

HonoriaBulstrode · 07/08/2025 19:21

It should be quite easy for Well Child and IG to put together an evidence file showing why association with Harry risks the charity's reputation and ability to fundraise.

I think IG is probably a lost cause. M being allowed to impose herself everywhere suggests very weak leadership.

I looked up WellChild. Three of the trustees have solid business, financial and legal backgrounds; one would hope they are keeping a close eye on things.

I don't think M has ever tried to muscle in on WellChild, has she, and as it's a UK only organisation they are probably safe from her.

There seems to be a campaign to route funding to Help for Heroes instead of IG. I agree about IG weak leadership. M highjacks it every time and the images most used in the media are of her in very expensive clothes dominating H and everything else.

Ohpleeeease · 07/08/2025 19:41

Puzzledandpissedoff · 07/08/2025 19:03

Even if they manage to separate the two entities, the money belongs with the charity and is under the control of the validly appointed trustees

Be honest, @Ohpleeeease - would you care to be the one having to explain that to Harry? Grin

Get the engine running, Puzzled, I'm going in...

Snobb · 07/08/2025 19:42

IdaGlossop · 07/08/2025 19:27

There seems to be a campaign to route funding to Help for Heroes instead of IG. I agree about IG weak leadership. M highjacks it every time and the images most used in the media are of her in very expensive clothes dominating H and everything else.

Is the next IG 2027?.....If so I doubt H&M will still be married.

TizerorFizz · 07/08/2025 19:49

The court case was determined on the Ravec decision to deny Harry the security he wanted when “returning home”. In GB in other words. It now considers his security on a case by case basis in GB. He might get it for IG, but it’s not a given.

Ohpleeeease · 07/08/2025 19:50

HonoriaBulstrode · 07/08/2025 19:21

It should be quite easy for Well Child and IG to put together an evidence file showing why association with Harry risks the charity's reputation and ability to fundraise.

I think IG is probably a lost cause. M being allowed to impose herself everywhere suggests very weak leadership.

I looked up WellChild. Three of the trustees have solid business, financial and legal backgrounds; one would hope they are keeping a close eye on things.

I don't think M has ever tried to muscle in on WellChild, has she, and as it's a UK only organisation they are probably safe from her.

I don't think M is the problem, she has no interest in WellChild. I think it's that without other bright shiny things to distract him, Harry may turn his attention to WellChild in a way he hasn't had time to previously.

I agree with whoever said he was really good at interacting with the children and as long as he limits his involvement to that, all good. But if he starts interfering at a governance level or using the charity to promote his own profile or brand then...

ThePoshUns · 07/08/2025 19:56

Omg he always has to have the last bloody word. He’s exhausting.

HonoriaBulstrode · 07/08/2025 20:00

There seems to be a campaign to route funding to Help for Heroes instead of IG.

A far better use of the money, I would think. H4H supports all veterans with all aspects of their lives, rather than just those who want to and are able to compete in a sporting event.

Is the next IG 2027?.....If so I doubt H&M will still be married.

I doubt the 2027 Games will happen. Birmingham can't afford it. IG don't get the global coverage and sponsorship that the Commonwealth Games do, and no-one wanted to host them in 2026 either.

TizerorFizz · 07/08/2025 20:05

@Puzzledandpissedoff The reason charities like the great snd the good to be patrons is to raise money and profile of the charity. They are supposed to be guests of honour at fund raising dinners and make presentations etc. If they don’t do that, they will probably be sidelined. What’s the point of them? Interestingly he did attend the awards ceremony in 2024. So maybe no arguments - yet!

BasiliskStare · 07/08/2025 20:24

Ohpleeeease · 07/08/2025 19:41

Get the engine running, Puzzled, I'm going in...

I've got your six @Ohpleeeease 😂

TheAutumnCrow · 07/08/2025 20:40

Puzzledandpissedoff · 07/08/2025 19:03

Even if they manage to separate the two entities, the money belongs with the charity and is under the control of the validly appointed trustees

Be honest, @Ohpleeeease - would you care to be the one having to explain that to Harry? Grin

I doubt even Hairborn Sherborne can manage that.

elessar · 07/08/2025 20:59

My god, Harry is such an insufferable prick. So because the CC didn’t just unquestionably back his views, they’re not fit for purpose? He can get in the bin, honestly.

also this quote from the linked article above:
“She shopped them all to the Charity Commission when the trustees raised their concerns about the charity’s governance,’ alleges a source”

What a joke! If they were concerned about the charity’s governance, they should have referred it to the CC themselves - or welcomed the referral. Who talks about being “shopped”?

The whole thing just stinks.

I feel for Sentebale and SC because they’re in such a difficult position. On the one hand I’m cheering that they’re not taking Harry’s slurs and proclamations about being found “innocent” of racism, bullying etc lying down. On the other hand, I don’t think continuing to bite back publicly will do the charity any favours in the long run. But the alternate is to let Harry’s claims go unchallenged. It must be so frustrating.

Ohpleeeease · 07/08/2025 21:03

BasiliskStare · 07/08/2025 20:24

I've got your six @Ohpleeeease 😂

Grin
IdaGlossop · 07/08/2025 21:06

Snobb · 07/08/2025 19:42

Is the next IG 2027?.....If so I doubt H&M will still be married.

Birmingham 2027. Why do you think H&M won't be married?