The Yorks 2 !

[jeffgoldblum]

Sorry missed end of thread !
had a slight hiccup.
anyway thread 2 ready for tomorrows new article. 😁

Has Sarah ever had another significant relationship since her divorce? What happened in the end between her and Wyatt?

I’m taking the revelations with a pinch of salt

What, all of them?

So much of this was known so it's hardly 'pinch of salt probably not true' territory. It's seeing it all together that is shocking.

No not all of them by any means. But as someone pointed out up thread the story about the sides of beef etc. was unbelievable. The press wouldn’t have held back about PA having affairs early in his marriage. The general gist of the Yorks being awful people is true I think given what the press did print over the years.

I agree with this. Embarrassing and traumatic as it may seem, I think it will help KC to bin Andrew. I’d like to see him serve time but failing that, a move to a tiny staff-less apartment somewhere and zero budget without asking very nicely, filling in a form and begging Charles to please sign it would be a start.

Just read the last extract - thank you for the link - it seems that Andrew and Fergie are codependent friends held together by unsavoury secrets?

I found this bit about 2002 interesting;

That same year, Sarah was invited to Balmoral – for the first time since her divorce – to join the Royal Family on their Scottish holiday, partly so she could join in celebrations for Beatrice's 17th birthday and partly to keep her onside. This was a long-term strategy because Fergie possessed many secrets which would not benefit the House of Windsor by their retelling.

I wonder what those secrets are?

Maybe that explains why KC has taken a softly softly approach?

Interesting to note what he does now… .

This was a long-term strategy because Fergie possessed many secrets which would not benefit the House of Windsor by their retelling.

I would have thought it might be more to try & keep her behaviour in check!

The only “secrets” Sarah would know would be Andrews she knows diddly squat about anything else, maybe some stuff about Charles and Diana but that’s just popcorn gossip these days, and if she did know “secrets” why would the Palace wait so many years before she was invited to Balmoral? they would have kept her in the fold from day one if that was the case not left her by herself with her ready meal for one in the worker’s cottage at Sandringham whilst her children were in the main house celebrating Christmas. Some of these ‘revelations’ are bordering on nonsense and diminish the stuff that actually matters and in the worse case scenario cast doubt on other revelations which are true.

I’ve read all the extracts and agree with the harshest of interpretations. They’re an awful pair. Somehow it’s worse for the married-in’s to quickly and absolutely assume these levels of entitlement. With the children of monarchs, at least (“at least”) you can argue they know no different…

And I have to say I don’t think anything much has changed. Little 3 (?) year old Charlotte’s “you’re not invited” called out to the assembled press at Louis’s christening was exactly the same as a young (7? 8? yo) Harry sticking his tongue out to the press from inside the car, which was exactly the same as his Randy Uncle Andy referring to the fucking Guardian journalists which was exactly the same as Charles muttering under his breath about odious Nicholas Witchell on his skiing holiday with William and Harry etc etc etc. Most recently, there was a video someone posted of Andrew on the Christmas walk to church a couple of years ago, when he was meant to be in purdah, challenging a member of the public of taking pics of the royals on that phone. He wasn’t rude or overly aggressive. He was uncomprehending of why anyone would do such a thing, asking what the point is, don’t they have other things to do etc etc. This is all post-Virginia Giuffre, post his public shaming, post his removal of patronages and HRH etc.

They’re all the same. They absolutely 100% see themselves as separate from and above the public, their subjects. They cultivate that separation and the married-in’s join gleefully because it elevates them. As though they’re to the manor/palace born. And I mean none of this is surprising. We’re talking about actual kings and queens and princes and princesses. They’re hardly going to be down to earth, are they.

All to say none of the extremes of entitlement and wealth and arrogance and greediness and grasping are surprising to me. Not even when they are, or are borderline criminal - no monarchy got where it is by legal means 😂. The worst bits are the selling of your own soul, of going against the nation’s interest, for money (and of course the tawdry and sordid behaviour) and the subsequent cover ups that go on for generation agree generation. I doubt William will do anything. He doesn’t need to, and if he does he’ll be opening up the whole family to further scrutiny. There are too many skeletons there. Why bother? In order to keep a crown on his head he MUST turn a blind eye to all this stuff that poses an existential threat to the monarchy’s existence. He has no choice.

The point I didn’t make clearly enough is that democratic and accountable behaviour (open to press scrutiny, opening up govt papers and records, generally being accountable for your actions) is exactly what a monarchy cannot indulge in if it’s to exist. A monarchy is, by definition, not democratic and not governed by democratic principles. It’s autocratic. Andrew’s behaviour is that of an autocrat, and he’s only the king’s brother. William will be no different. He and his family are wholeheartedly and willingly the next generation. There will be no democratic moves under him - hed be offering himself up to the hangman.

diminish the stuff that actually matters and in the worse case scenario cast doubt on other revelations which are true.

I agree.

I thought it was a serious book but it seems very "gossipy".

Why do people think William will be so different when he is king?
not so long ago he was seen driving PA .

Today’s excerpt read very differently from previous ones and the ref to a ‘whole side of beef’ being set out for dinner ever evening was ridiculous as it would have weighed about 100kgs. I don’t know how it got past editors and proof readers if it’s in the book. Or has some clown at the Mail had to condense a couple of chapters into an article to fill a certain amount of column space in today’s paper and that’s what they came up with?

This Mirror article may be ‘gossipy’ but for what it’s worth it is supported by a Daily Beast journalist.

It implies that Prince Andrew was directly involved in and responsible for the trafficking in prostituted women.

(Contra posts that minimise and switch around the agency of his activities as ‘whoring’ and ‘sex work’).

www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/prince-andrew-bombshell-claims-sex-35678527

He added that one source who spoke to him even claimed that Andrew saw "access to a revolving door of female bodies as part of the perks of office" and that he and another unnamed dignitary would send "girls to each other via luxury car services in a horrific power play masquerading as a twisted mark of respect."

Don’t know @Weepixie! But it definitely seemed like it was written by someone else compared to the first two extracts!
I’ve never read this author before, has anyone here? , what are his books normally like?
it almost feels like an attempt to bury the serious allegations behind a wall of gossipy nonsense and trivial rubbish!

Why do people think William will be so different when he is king?
not so long ago he was seen driving PA

He gave him a lift to Church.

Apparently William was told by The King to drive Andrew.

We have a family member no one wants to sit beside at family gatherings, or drive home, or sit beside at the table and my lot will only do it if i say to them - you’re doing it today. Occasionally though one of them will act their age and take one for the team so to speak but I can usually tell that as soon as the words are out of their mouth they’re regretting it. 🤣

A bit different if you are in a public position and likely to be papped as happened.

It's a bit disappointing there's not more on the finances, particularly Pitch, Jeff but the stuff about SF is still quite interesting.

I'm still catching up (🙄) but I've got to 🙄🙄🙄at Fergie clinging to him like a limpet despite them apparently being so heavily mismatched, prone to screaming matches and with him cheating like an alley cat the first year they were married.

Something to do with him being 'the most honourable man' she knew?

This would be good to know ?

I've brought this incident up several times in past threads as indicative of the way this arrogant buffoon has behaved over decades. That and the one where he dropped papers on the floor and told his protection officer ( his protection officer!) to 'f'cking pick those up'.

Morally bankrupt, venal, entitled and indulged don't begin to cover this one.

Lots of reasons - partly because he has had a taste if a more ‘normal’ life than his grandmother and father and he wants this for his children. I believe he’ll trade some of the properties and money for a more low-key version of monarchy.

But also he will have experienced several stressful and embarrassing family scandals by the time he becomes king and I think he’ll want to avoid any further ones. But HIS embarrassing brother is in the US with no royal role or contact. Whether this proves to be an advantage or otherwise, I don’t know.

if anything was to make me more of a constitutional monarchist than I already am it would be the posts I read here that have been written by cabbage throwing republicans.

I don't throw cabbages. I'm quite meticulous in posting links which back up my assertions.

I do note they're not often challenged with counter links 🙂

We dont know that he wants a more 'normal' life for his children though. He has never said anything to that effect as far as I know. He's not averse to throwing titbits of information out about 'cheeky/naughty Louis' in the same way as his brother was. If he wanted them to have a more 'normal' life he would be putting that in place now. Before they went into senior school. Making it clear that the younger ones will not be able to rely on handouts from their brother forevermore so will be free to find their own careers/interests. Instead he is preparing them to be Royals. There is no way he will get rid of Harry and Andrews titles, because if one of his kids messes up, it creates a precedent to get rid of theirs.

This (and A's naked hinting at a Faberge egg 'gift') have very much put me in mind of his Great Grandma Mary who apparently eyed up other people's valuables with an 'I do like that' in the expectation of a gift so much that her hapless hosts soon learned to hide the good stuff.