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jeffgoldblum · 2025-08-05T19:49:35+00:00

Sorry missed end of thread ! had a slight hiccup. anyway thread 2 ready for tomorrows new article. 😁

jamnpancakes · 10/08/2025 09:49

vera99 · 10/08/2025 09:48

I am agreeing with you and showing my workings as they used to say at school and did it with a thanks !

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It's good to see you acknowledge that you do exaggerate at times and make up things as required.

MagicMagpie · 10/08/2025 09:55

vera99 · 10/08/2025 08:59

I agree - say if a man of religion is having an affair, I would absolutely want to know. I am religious myself, a Buddhist, and I attend a temple regularly for meditation, instruction, and community. If I found out that our Abbot was anything less than exemplary in his morals, I would be both shocked and would leave the organisation.

And in the case of the monarch, who is the head of the established church, they make a big point of showing them as the head family in prayer. If all of this is just theatre and a ruse to make them appear pious and worthy of respect, then it exposes the sham it has become.

I have repeatedly said that we are trapping this family in a gilded cage and exposing them to far more scrutiny than other aristocrats who inhabit the same space. That in itself is cruel in the modern era where secrets are difficult to hide.

We do this because we the people want to believe in something more tangible than fairy tales in the sky. They serve both in loco parentis and in loco deus, pulling levers behind the scenes with great pomp and ceremony. But at the end of the day, they are no more and often, as we learn more about how they operate no less human than the rest of us. In fact, all too often, they fall short of the standards we expect.

Of course, historically much like the Pope their authority was believed to come directly from God Himself, granting them the divine right of kings. This divine right was used to justify absolute power, placing them above earthly laws and accountability, as if they ruled by God’s own sanction.

Quite proud of loco deus - shows my latin O'level wasn't in vain !

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loco dei - in the place of God (or the god) Genitive case used as “of the”, not nominative (deus)

(useful contribution to thread. 😂)

vera99 · 10/08/2025 10:01

MagicMagpie · 10/08/2025 09:55

loco dei - in the place of God (or the god) Genitive case used as “of the”, not nominative (deus)

(useful contribution to thread. 😂)

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WOW ! You win as far as I'm concerned today ! Has a nice ring to it as well.

CoffeeCantata · 10/08/2025 10:05

vera99 · 10/08/2025 08:59

I agree - say if a man of religion is having an affair, I would absolutely want to know. I am religious myself, a Buddhist, and I attend a temple regularly for meditation, instruction, and community. If I found out that our Abbot was anything less than exemplary in his morals, I would be both shocked and would leave the organisation.

And in the case of the monarch, who is the head of the established church, they make a big point of showing them as the head family in prayer. If all of this is just theatre and a ruse to make them appear pious and worthy of respect, then it exposes the sham it has become.

I have repeatedly said that we are trapping this family in a gilded cage and exposing them to far more scrutiny than other aristocrats who inhabit the same space. That in itself is cruel in the modern era where secrets are difficult to hide.

We do this because we the people want to believe in something more tangible than fairy tales in the sky. They serve both in loco parentis and in loco deus, pulling levers behind the scenes with great pomp and ceremony. But at the end of the day, they are no more and often, as we learn more about how they operate no less human than the rest of us. In fact, all too often, they fall short of the standards we expect.

Of course, historically much like the Pope their authority was believed to come directly from God Himself, granting them the divine right of kings. This divine right was used to justify absolute power, placing them above earthly laws and accountability, as if they ruled by God’s own sanction.

Quite proud of loco deus - shows my latin O'level wasn't in vain !

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This is disturbing on a number of levels.

CoffeeCantata · 10/08/2025 10:06

But it is revealing and explains a lot.

OlympicWomen · 10/08/2025 10:11

CoffeeCantata · 10/08/2025 10:06

But it is revealing and explains a lot.

Quite. Also, quite extraordinary.

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jeffgoldblum · 10/08/2025 10:11

vera99 · 10/08/2025 09:39

Thanks I was vaguely aware it was a historic concept, and it seems our so-called "Glorious Revolution" got rid of it when Britain effectively gave in to an invader! Here is the legitimate king if we remove violent usurpation from the equation!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_von_Bayern

The divine right of kings as a formal doctrine effectively ended in the UK during the 17th century, particularly after the English Civil War (1642–1651) and the Glorious Revolution of 1688.
Key points:

The divine right of kings was challenged when King Charles I was executed in 1649 after the Civil War, showing that monarchs could be held accountable by Parliament and the people.
The Glorious Revolution (1688) firmly established constitutional monarchy, with William III and Mary II accepting the English Bill of Rights (1689), which limited royal power and affirmed parliamentary sovereignty.
From that point on, the monarch ruled “by the grace of Parliament” rather than by divine right.

So, by the late 1600s, the divine right of kings was effectively replaced by constitutional monarchy and parliamentary supremacy in the UK.

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Why are you posting this?
most of us already know all about it and have referenced it many times over the years, to posters who seem to think our current royals have more power than they do! ( Harry however should take note!)

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BlueandWhitePorcelain · 10/08/2025 10:11

vera99 · 10/08/2025 08:59

I agree - say if a man of religion is having an affair, I would absolutely want to know. I am religious myself, a Buddhist, and I attend a temple regularly for meditation, instruction, and community. If I found out that our Abbot was anything less than exemplary in his morals, I would be both shocked and would leave the organisation.

And in the case of the monarch, who is the head of the established church, they make a big point of showing them as the head family in prayer. If all of this is just theatre and a ruse to make them appear pious and worthy of respect, then it exposes the sham it has become.

I have repeatedly said that we are trapping this family in a gilded cage and exposing them to far more scrutiny than other aristocrats who inhabit the same space. That in itself is cruel in the modern era where secrets are difficult to hide.

We do this because we the people want to believe in something more tangible than fairy tales in the sky. They serve both in loco parentis and in loco deus, pulling levers behind the scenes with great pomp and ceremony. But at the end of the day, they are no more and often, as we learn more about how they operate no less human than the rest of us. In fact, all too often, they fall short of the standards we expect.

Of course, historically much like the Pope their authority was believed to come directly from God Himself, granting them the divine right of kings. This divine right was used to justify absolute power, placing them above earthly laws and accountability, as if they ruled by God’s own sanction.

Quite proud of loco deus - shows my latin O'level wasn't in vain !

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IMO, it would be in loco dei - dei, as the genitive of deus for “in the place of god”? In loco parentis - parentis is the genitive form of parens nominative singular?

vera99 · 10/08/2025 10:13

CoffeeCantata · 10/08/2025 10:05

This is disturbing on a number of levels.

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Please do explain.

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jeffgoldblum · 10/08/2025 10:13

vera99 · 10/08/2025 09:46

GOD SAVE THE KING ! All these foreigners coming over and stealing our monarchy !

web.archive.org/web/20080617000215/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1584184/Act-repeal-could-make-Franz-Herzog-von-Bayern-new-King-of-England-and-Scotland.html

???? Relevance?????

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jamnpancakes · 10/08/2025 10:15

Buddhism a couple of parts of the Eightfold path:

Right speech (don't tell lies, avoid harsh, abusive speech, avoid gossip).

Right effort (encourage good, helpful thoughts, discourage unwholesome destructive thoughts

OlympicWomen · 10/08/2025 10:15

jeffgoldblum · 10/08/2025 10:11

Why are you posting this?
most of us already know all about it and have referenced it many times over the years, to posters who seem to think our current royals have more power than they do! ( Harry however should take note!)

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I know! We all now are surely aware that Parliament is sovereign, not the King?
Basic general knowledge. Surely.

OlympicWomen · 10/08/2025 10:16

jamnpancakes · 10/08/2025 10:15

Buddhism a couple of parts of the Eightfold path:

Right speech (don't tell lies, avoid harsh, abusive speech, avoid gossip).

Right effort (encourage good, helpful thoughts, discourage unwholesome destructive thoughts

Thank you. That's exactly what I thought.

vera99 · 10/08/2025 10:17

jeffgoldblum · 10/08/2025 10:13

???? Relevance?????

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Is there no room for a bit of levity on these threads? As many of you well know, you’ve indulged in collective asides and irrelevancies over the years, and I’ve never complained about them when I have been on here. GIPHYS and the like — it’s all part of the cut and thrust of reasonable debate here on MN. I bear no malice toward anyone and, like most of us, am probably wasting my time when I could be doing other things. But I genuinely enjoy the company of everyone here, whatever their views.

jamnpancakes · 10/08/2025 10:19

vera99 · 10/08/2025 10:17

Is there no room for a bit of levity on these threads? As many of you well know, you’ve indulged in collective asides and irrelevancies over the years, and I’ve never complained about them when I have been on here. GIPHYS and the like — it’s all part of the cut and thrust of reasonable debate here on MN. I bear no malice toward anyone and, like most of us, am probably wasting my time when I could be doing other things. But I genuinely enjoy the company of everyone here, whatever their views.

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Wes Anderson Peace GIF by 20th Century Fox Home Entertainment

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vera99 · 10/08/2025 10:19

jamnpancakes · 10/08/2025 10:15

Buddhism a couple of parts of the Eightfold path:

Right speech (don't tell lies, avoid harsh, abusive speech, avoid gossip).

Right effort (encourage good, helpful thoughts, discourage unwholesome destructive thoughts

I know I’m not perfect, which is why I keep saying I should step away from here and focus on something more worthwhile. It’s a work in progress and a personal acknowledgment that change is necessary.

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jeffgoldblum · 10/08/2025 10:21

OlympicWomen · 10/08/2025 10:15

I know! We all now are surely aware that Parliament is sovereign, not the King?
Basic general knowledge. Surely.

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You would hope posters confident enough to post with such assurances of their opinions to know the basic facts, yes!

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jamnpancakes · 10/08/2025 10:22

vera99 · 10/08/2025 10:19

I know I’m not perfect, which is why I keep saying I should step away from here and focus on something more worthwhile. It’s a work in progress and a personal acknowledgment that change is necessary.

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Yes I think for once I agree with you.

jamnpancakes · 10/08/2025 10:23

jamnpancakes · 10/08/2025 10:19

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This fox is for you as a tribute to Harry.

OlympicWomen · 10/08/2025 10:24

jeffgoldblum · 10/08/2025 10:21

You would hope posters confident enough to post with such assurances of their opinions to know the basic facts, yes!

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I think there's genuinely a problem with people posting from a position of, shall we say, misunderstanding?

vera99 · 10/08/2025 10:25

jamnpancakes · 10/08/2025 10:19

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By the way, I love foxes and have cared for families of them over the years. We currently have the step-granddaughter of a vixen named Ajax, who used to live under our neighbour’s shed and comes by every night. So a meditating fox pretty much captures my zeitgeist.

OlympicWomen · 10/08/2025 10:25

vera99 · 10/08/2025 10:19

I know I’m not perfect, which is why I keep saying I should step away from here and focus on something more worthwhile. It’s a work in progress and a personal acknowledgment that change is necessary.

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No-one is perfect. We're just trying to discuss what we find matters of interest. It's important not to label people or dismiss them, however, people will challenge and discuss robustly.

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jeffgoldblum · 10/08/2025 10:27

OlympicWomen · 10/08/2025 10:24

I think there's genuinely a problem with people posting from a position of, shall we say, misunderstanding?

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Very diplomatic @OlympicWomen! I was thinking something less polite! 🤣

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CoffeeCantata · 10/08/2025 10:29

jeffgoldblum · 10/08/2025 10:21

You would hope posters confident enough to post with such assurances of their opinions to know the basic facts, yes!

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That’s why these boards are so depressing. I’ll-informed people with dogmatic views which you often discover are based on mistaken assumptions.

Groan. These people have a vote.

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jeffgoldblum · 10/08/2025 10:33

CoffeeCantata · 10/08/2025 10:29

That’s why these boards are so depressing. I’ll-informed people with dogmatic views which you often discover are based on mistaken assumptions.

Groan. These people have a vote.

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Yes !
but let’s all rush towards another country changing vote with zero idea of the realities 🙄
thankfully in the real world, the appetite is not so favourable!

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