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Confessions of a Female Flounder part 2

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foreverblowingbubbless · 14/05/2025 04:39

I've embarrassed for Meghan saying that her arranging takeaway food on a plate is the same thing as what Figs Heather Hasson has done 😬

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FenellaFeldman · 17/05/2025 09:08

"everything is relative, and empirical truth does not exist".
You're absolutely right on that score, @GiveMeSpanakopita .

MrsFinkelstein · 17/05/2025 09:43

FenellaFeldman · 17/05/2025 07:17

Perhaps, I don't know. It's not the case for Black women in my family, who don't respond to her positively. Including my DD, who just regards Meghan as a trad wife. Promoting clothes and making food look pretty, and clinging on to her husband in public. No substance, and little to respect or admire.
Disclaimer: I know opinions vary and no ethnic group is homogeneous.

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Oh I totally agree. That's why I said some black women.

For every WOC when I've seen "stanning" her and defending her vigorously online, I've seen another pointing she has made errors.

The moat obvious ones being on The View. Sunni always supports Meghan and just cannot say anything critical, it's never Meghan at fault. Meanwhile Whoopi tends to be more pragmatic and likely to point out the obvious issues.

For her die hard supporters they can't admit she's been wrong, because then that's admitting they were wrong.

RandyRedHumpback · 17/05/2025 10:12

Ah, but Mrs F, when us WOC say we disapprove of things MM has done, that's our internalised racism, doncha know?! 🙄🙄🙄

Lunde · 17/05/2025 12:16

@GiveMeSpanakopita

What do you think her strategy actually is then? It doesn't seen to be a retail sales venture as it is now 6 weeks since she launched and sold out the same day and there is no sign of new stock.

Was it all about the brand? Is she hoping someone will buy the brand and pay for the name? A bit like Waitrose bought Duchy Originals/Duchy Organic (although the profits go to charity).

JADS · 17/05/2025 13:00

Lunde · 17/05/2025 12:16

@GiveMeSpanakopita

What do you think her strategy actually is then? It doesn't seen to be a retail sales venture as it is now 6 weeks since she launched and sold out the same day and there is no sign of new stock.

Was it all about the brand? Is she hoping someone will buy the brand and pay for the name? A bit like Waitrose bought Duchy Originals/Duchy Organic (although the profits go to charity).

I'm no PR guru, but having listened to the podcast series, the main thing I have gleaned from it is that selling your "brand" is the main aim as that where you make the $$$$. This is what Cadi the Highbrow Hippie lady is aiming for and I assume the coffee brand too. Jamie Kern Lima is the success story as she sold IT cosmetics at it's height (sadly the products are no longer as good as they were).

Meghan I believe wants some one to buy As Ever for $$$ but as it's a non viable business I cannot see how that would work.

Weepixie · 17/05/2025 13:19

@GiveMeSpanakopita

Im so curious about you (and a few other posters) who have such an insight into these things and post so informatively and eloquently about them. Just what paths did you follow to get to where you are? And where indeed are you career wise? I suspect very much at the top of your game I read your posts and wonder who taught you to write the way you do. I can’t tell you how empowering it is to read the posts, understand them, and then realise ‘I must a bit intelligent myself to understand all of that’. 😂

I don’t have anything by way of formal education after the age of 18 because I made the decision to follow my heart and move to the other side of the world with my husband but when I read your posts I’m very often left thinking maybe that could have been me if …… not that I have any regrets regarding my choices.

HonoriaBulstrode · 17/05/2025 13:38

It's never too late to continue your education, Weepixie, whether it's going the formal route and studying for a degree or just following your own interests. I once knew a nun in her eighties who was studying for a degree!

I agree there are some very interesting and knowledgeable people on these threads.

bluegreygreen · 17/05/2025 13:49

Would just like to add my appreciation of posters who are knowledgeable in these areas and able to share their knowledge clearly.

I have appreciated learning about aspects of PR, business, media and legal systems that I know little about (NHS career).

elessar · 17/05/2025 15:10

JADS · 17/05/2025 13:00

I'm no PR guru, but having listened to the podcast series, the main thing I have gleaned from it is that selling your "brand" is the main aim as that where you make the $$$$. This is what Cadi the Highbrow Hippie lady is aiming for and I assume the coffee brand too. Jamie Kern Lima is the success story as she sold IT cosmetics at it's height (sadly the products are no longer as good as they were).

Meghan I believe wants some one to buy As Ever for $$$ but as it's a non viable business I cannot see how that would work.

It makes sense but if that’s her goal then she’s truly in cloud cuckoo land. Of course you can sell a business for big money, but it either has to be an already successful business with healthy profit return, or if it’s more of a start up, one that is exploiting a niche or has something unique or innovative about it, either in the product, service, customer or tech.

and of course someone’s only going to buy a business like that if they can see a lot of potential for future growth and scale.

Meghan has none of that. The only thing unique about her business is the association with her, which is hardly a major selling point. The products are generic, the branding is weak, and she doesn’t own any assets. All the fulfilment and distribution is managed by a third party who are presumably taking a large % of revenue. The only thing she has of value is a database - potentially a reasonably large one - but it won’t be very high quality, being comprised of a lot of journalists and mildly curious “watchers” I imagine rather than many genuine purchasers. And even for the purchasers that exist, there’s no lifetime value because there’s only been one very limited product drop. So no evidence that the brand drives repeat purchase or longevity from a customer.

Would she be expecting to sell the business and stay involved? I think she’s stitched up either way, because the brand is nothing at all without her (and not even much with her), but by all accounts she’s such a nightmare to work with, nobody would want to spend money buying the company for her to be allowed to continue to run it.

My2cents1975 · 17/05/2025 15:11

Weepixie · 17/05/2025 13:19

@GiveMeSpanakopita

Im so curious about you (and a few other posters) who have such an insight into these things and post so informatively and eloquently about them. Just what paths did you follow to get to where you are? And where indeed are you career wise? I suspect very much at the top of your game I read your posts and wonder who taught you to write the way you do. I can’t tell you how empowering it is to read the posts, understand them, and then realise ‘I must a bit intelligent myself to understand all of that’. 😂

I don’t have anything by way of formal education after the age of 18 because I made the decision to follow my heart and move to the other side of the world with my husband but when I read your posts I’m very often left thinking maybe that could have been me if …… not that I have any regrets regarding my choices.

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JSMill · 17/05/2025 15:33

@Weepixieand @bluegreygreen I agree. It’s one of the reasons I keep looking for these threads, plus some posters have a brilliant sense of humour!

AmeliaHarbottle · 18/05/2025 07:34

foreverblowingbubbless · 14/05/2025 14:21

Yes she did 🤷‍♀️

She loves to make herself sound busy busy busy
with important stuff. I suspect actually she doesn’t do an awful lot . If she doesn’t have time to cook, why is she hosting a cooking show?

GiveMeSpanakopita · 18/05/2025 07:41

Weepixie · 17/05/2025 13:19

@GiveMeSpanakopita

Im so curious about you (and a few other posters) who have such an insight into these things and post so informatively and eloquently about them. Just what paths did you follow to get to where you are? And where indeed are you career wise? I suspect very much at the top of your game I read your posts and wonder who taught you to write the way you do. I can’t tell you how empowering it is to read the posts, understand them, and then realise ‘I must a bit intelligent myself to understand all of that’. 😂

I don’t have anything by way of formal education after the age of 18 because I made the decision to follow my heart and move to the other side of the world with my husband but when I read your posts I’m very often left thinking maybe that could have been me if …… not that I have any regrets regarding my choices.

You're very kind @Weepixie but I'm really not at the top of any game (and wouldn't want to be!) I worked at a number of big PR agencies from late 80s on until finally deciding to venture out and set up my own little firm...in 2008. Yep, the year of the Great Financial Crash - brilliant timing on my part there. Had a good few 'seat of my pants' years but things eventually came right and now I do OK, and am in the fortunate position of being able to choose clients, thus avoiding working with wankers and narcissists (I have lots of experience of both). Now I'm just waiting for the markets to pick up a bit so I can sell the business and retire to rescue elderly dogs full time :-)

No life path is straight, I'm a recovered alcoholic and addict with some pretty awful (violent, substance addicted) relationships behind me. I think with life, there's no point comparing yourself with others as we are all dealt different hands and the key is just to play the hand you've been dealt in the best way you can. Enjoy the good times, treat your nearest and dearest as well as you can, don't worry about things you can't change. Especially things on the news. Don't believe anything you read in the media or online about how you should live your life - they're just trying to sell you something. And as Kierkegaard said, the best tactic for dealing with life's horrors is to laugh defiantly at them.

I strongly disagree with the mass delusion that you need education to be worthy or intelligent. Some of the world's stupidest people have an expensive education (if you don't believe me, just look at the people who run politics, government and the third sector). My grandmother left school at 11 and lived through the Nazi occupation of Greece and she was the smartest person I've ever known. If you want to better your mind, just read voraciously. It's good for your brain and your soul. And above all, don't let anything in life upset you too much. It all passes away like water in a river. Above all remember that despite its tragedies and cruelty, it's still a beautiful world.

@Lunde Buggered if I know what her 'strategy' is. I think her 'financial partnership' with NF is a profit-sharing deal where she comes up with the products and they handle the distrib and onward sales. If I was in the NF commercial department I'd be asking for 60% of the profits as a starting point for negotiation because I'm bearing all the operational and financial risk. So she's going to have to shift a hell of a lot of product to make a meaningful profit for herself. And she'll need a new business model too, because whatever she's doing right now is ... not it.

Honestly? I think they're haemorrhaging cash and As Ever is a desperate scraping of the bottom of the barrel. Would Meghan be simpering over desiccated foliage if she still had the Spotify deal, had chart topping NF content and was the face of, say, Dior, as was reported at the time of Megxit? Would she be flogging jam if she and Harry were jetting everywhere as global humanitarians fulfilling a life of service, as they promised in their Megxit statement? Do the Obamas sell dried flowers? Does Malala flog fruit spread? Give me a break. The whole thing stinks of the desperation that comes when you've lost all your A list career opportunities but still live an A list lifestyle. Someone's told her she has to go back to what she knows (from the Tig days)...and so, here she is. Selling runny jam on the internet.

GiveMeSpanakopita · 18/05/2025 07:44

elessar · 17/05/2025 15:10

It makes sense but if that’s her goal then she’s truly in cloud cuckoo land. Of course you can sell a business for big money, but it either has to be an already successful business with healthy profit return, or if it’s more of a start up, one that is exploiting a niche or has something unique or innovative about it, either in the product, service, customer or tech.

and of course someone’s only going to buy a business like that if they can see a lot of potential for future growth and scale.

Meghan has none of that. The only thing unique about her business is the association with her, which is hardly a major selling point. The products are generic, the branding is weak, and she doesn’t own any assets. All the fulfilment and distribution is managed by a third party who are presumably taking a large % of revenue. The only thing she has of value is a database - potentially a reasonably large one - but it won’t be very high quality, being comprised of a lot of journalists and mildly curious “watchers” I imagine rather than many genuine purchasers. And even for the purchasers that exist, there’s no lifetime value because there’s only been one very limited product drop. So no evidence that the brand drives repeat purchase or longevity from a customer.

Would she be expecting to sell the business and stay involved? I think she’s stitched up either way, because the brand is nothing at all without her (and not even much with her), but by all accounts she’s such a nightmare to work with, nobody would want to spend money buying the company for her to be allowed to continue to run it.

Would she be expecting to sell the business and stay involved?

She can't sell the business because there's nothing to sell. As you rightly point out, there's no assets. There's no IP either. Goodwill consideration? That would be nothing more than Brand Meghan herself. And she's already tried to sell that, to Spotify and Netflix. Turns out it had no value.

FenellaFeldman · 18/05/2025 07:46

@GiveMeSpanakopita excellent post, I'm glad things worked out for you!👌
Also, interesting summary about H&M, which I suspected.

Mountainfrog · 18/05/2025 08:01

AmeliaHarbottle · 18/05/2025 07:34

She loves to make herself sound busy busy busy
with important stuff. I suspect actually she doesn’t do an awful lot . If she doesn’t have time to cook, why is she hosting a cooking show?

It is intriguing how the rich spend their time. I have kids and a demanding job and all the chaos, admin and housework that goes with that. But I just stick on a uniform every day, tie my hair up straight from the shower, live in an ordinary slightly messy house with one car. Even then there’s a lot of “life admin”

I can’t imagine being a high profile person, to be a perfectly, styled, groomed, exercised and coiffured every time you leave the house. Buying and choosing clothes and jewellery for every event, make up and hair, tooth whitening, facials and fillers(?) yoga and massages.

Who plans meals, does the food shop, sorts out the kids homework and activities, arranges home repairs,cleaning, ironing and dry cleaning, books all the cars in for servicing, organises the garden and the dogs, plans the diary, arranges security and the other logistics for trips and events?

Even with staff, this stuff must take a lot of managing. It probably means making a kids packed lunch, dropping them at nursery then sitting at a laptop for an hour designing a logo feels like a days work. Especially when you then have to photograph, edit and post something to Instagram every five minutes. It actually does sound quite exhausting to me, particularly as a lot of it is a contrivance of fame and wealth. I wonder if it is easier just to spend days at home wafting around in yoga pants.

ThePoshUns · 18/05/2025 08:30

Thanks for sharing @GiveMeSpanakopita, your posts are always so interesting and you have clearly had an interesting and successful life, overcoming adversity. Your posts are one of the reasons I keep coming back to these threads. I don’t hate H&M I just find them endlessly fascinating and your analysis of their behaviour is always interesting. Thank you.

NewAgeNewMe · 18/05/2025 08:35

@GiveMeSpanakopita im in awe of your strength of courage to overcome so much.

ResidentPorker · 18/05/2025 08:48

Just adding to the appreciation of @GiveMeSpanakopita - your posts on these threads are SO measured and insightful. Thank you so much for your contribution

AmeliaHarbottle · 18/05/2025 09:16

Mountainfrog · 18/05/2025 08:01

It is intriguing how the rich spend their time. I have kids and a demanding job and all the chaos, admin and housework that goes with that. But I just stick on a uniform every day, tie my hair up straight from the shower, live in an ordinary slightly messy house with one car. Even then there’s a lot of “life admin”

I can’t imagine being a high profile person, to be a perfectly, styled, groomed, exercised and coiffured every time you leave the house. Buying and choosing clothes and jewellery for every event, make up and hair, tooth whitening, facials and fillers(?) yoga and massages.

Who plans meals, does the food shop, sorts out the kids homework and activities, arranges home repairs,cleaning, ironing and dry cleaning, books all the cars in for servicing, organises the garden and the dogs, plans the diary, arranges security and the other logistics for trips and events?

Even with staff, this stuff must take a lot of managing. It probably means making a kids packed lunch, dropping them at nursery then sitting at a laptop for an hour designing a logo feels like a days work. Especially when you then have to photograph, edit and post something to Instagram every five minutes. It actually does sound quite exhausting to me, particularly as a lot of it is a contrivance of fame and wealth. I wonder if it is easier just to spend days at home wafting around in yoga pants.

It's tragic really because it could all have been so very very different. If they had bought a modest house in Canada perhaps, and just pulled up the shutters and concentrated on building a happy family life without any of this drama, spouting off and performance. Harry certainly had enough money for them to both live on if they had invested wisely. I don't think either of them know what a happy family life in an ordinary household looks like sadly. I suspect Meghan is running away from a childhood where she felt lonely, bored, overlooked and poor. Harry perhaps is running away from a childhood where he felt the same, only not poor. They don't have any good role models. Harry had an absent preoccupied father and an unstable unhappy mother who died early. She had a mother who wasn't around much after the early years and a father who seems to have been quite dysfunctional. Both of them are chasing something , I don't think either of them know what really. He wants approval, acceptance and recognition I think . She wants fame and riches so she can put as much distance between the past and the present as possible, but ultimately also wants approval, acceptance and recognition. They just aren't ever going to get what they need and want the way they are going about life .

Mylovelygreendress · 18/05/2025 09:22

ResidentPorker · 18/05/2025 08:48

Just adding to the appreciation of @GiveMeSpanakopita - your posts on these threads are SO measured and insightful. Thank you so much for your contribution

100% agree 👏👏

shockthemonkey · 18/05/2025 09:23

Another one here who is totally inspired by Spanakopita.

BUT, @GiveMeSpanakopita , you promised an AMA on rescuing old doggies (under a changed name, I think you said…)

I appreciate you may not be ready to do that yet, but I’m looking out for whenever you are… (bet you won’t start one for some time now if you’re concerned about your dog-rescuing thread being linked with your handle on these threads).

I have one aging princess whose ongoing care is very expensive and eats up soooo much time. Not sure I could manage two!!!

FenellaFeldman · 18/05/2025 09:59

Was there ever a couple who squandered so much?
They had it all. A huge amount of goodwill and support. Money, wealth, status, privilege. The most extraordinary opportunities to travel and meet Heads of State, movers and shakers. An extraordinary opportunity with the Commonwealth Trust to make an amazing difference.
Squandered.

ThePoshUns · 18/05/2025 10:13

That’s what makes it so fascinating to watch isn’t it?

Mylovelygreendress · 18/05/2025 10:47

FenellaFeldman · 18/05/2025 09:59

Was there ever a couple who squandered so much?
They had it all. A huge amount of goodwill and support. Money, wealth, status, privilege. The most extraordinary opportunities to travel and meet Heads of State, movers and shakers. An extraordinary opportunity with the Commonwealth Trust to make an amazing difference.
Squandered.

Yes but they had to walk behind W and C !!

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