Harry's new interview 2

[Viviennemary]

I just thought I would start second thread since I noticed the first one is full. It has certainly dominated media reporting. I saw a snippet on Sky news earlier. A document from Harry saying its a dereliction of duty to stop his security. Erm who just whizzed off to the USA and left all the duties behind. I havent watched the whole interview. I wonder if he'll appeal again.

Thing is, he was told to slow it down and threw a wobbler instead. He proposed after a year together. They were married less than 2 years after they apparently met. You barely know someone after a year and especially when you live on opposite sides of the Atlantic. With the best will in the world, that was a woefully small amount of time to introduce someone to the workings of the Firm.
I do wonder that M drove the “we’re so in love”, rapid proposal “fairytale”, without fully understanding what she was letting herself in for. Just seeing fortune, fame and expecting to be a princess. Given his (alleged) previous for having an explosive temper, I wonder did she not see that side of him. Was she still getting the carefully curated image?

True !
but at this point he’s a fully grown adult man , if this is the life he wants then 🤷‍♀️, and although I’m no fan of Meghan I don’t believe she could make him do something he really doesn’t want to !
there comes a time in life when blame has to be punted back to the person responsible.
is Meghan manipulating ? Most probably.

did Meghan set out to ensnare him with a false representation of herself and their future life? quite possibly.

did Meghan want Harry because he was a rich famous prince? Unfortunately it seems so.

did Harry want Meghan because he thought she was attractive and wanted to sleep with her? Most definitely

did Harry give any thought to Meghans wants , needs or dreams? Very doubtful.

did Harry bother to actually get to know Meghan beyond the surface dazzle? No obviously not .

im afraid this is all down to Harry , if we all could see and predict how things would be , then the person involved obviously ignored it or wanted it to be that way!

100% everything you’ve said @jeffgoldblum.

H will have got the final instalment of his inheritance from the QM trust last year, along with any inheritance from the Queen. AFAIK that’s his lot now and KC has cut off his allowance. Their lifestyle will burn through that fairly rapidly. It’ll be interesting to see if she sticks around now - California is a community property state when it comes to divorce.

Meghan is from a totally different culture than Harry, she had no idea (and obviously didn't want to learn) about the history , traditions and protocols of the RF . I believe she had no intention of staying in the UK and they planned their departure before they were even married. She mistook the 'celebrity' of the RF as being about the individuals rather than the institution as a whole and thought the celebrity and opportunities would follow them to the States. She thought it would all just 'happen' for them , she didn't realise that there is a lot of hard work behind the scenes that make the RF what it is.

I do think that one thing I missed from the interview the first time round was his tacit admission that the sun-drenched, yoga filled SoCal life isn't working out for him.

"I was born into this, this is a part of who I am and always will be" (paraphrase)

is tantamount to

"I've tried the life of the underemployed Cali sidekick and I don't like it."

This. Meghan was allegedly looking for a rich man in the UK to hook up with (footballers were on her list I believe), so when she met up with an actual prince she must have been beside herself at their luck. Harry could have had three heads and I don’t think she would have cared. He was equally giddy as he seems to have been really wanting to get married and have children, which is fair enough.

The problem was that Meghan only really wanted the fame and fortune, and assumed that she could get an even higher level with a Prince of the realm. She had no comprehension at all that being in the RF involved working for the monarchy, towing the line with keeping your personal opinions under control, living in historic but draughty buildings that weren’t necessarily palaces or castles and not being able to make any money. Or that the Rf wouldn’t magically change just because of her mere presence. From that point of view, a footballer would have been a better fit. They would have been able to travel between here and the States and she could have done anything she wanted.

For Harry, when he realised that Meghan was never going to be prepared to remain within the constraints of the RF, he was left with no choice but to leave with her, even though their half in half out plan had backfired

The anger and bitterness displayed in the interview is the result of a man realising he has destroyed a way of life he wanted and there is no way back. I think the absence of reaction from the RF is driving him crazy.

The point is that anyone remotely serious about security does not invite an unknown person to deliver an unidentified package to an address where they are staying.

I think @jeffgoldblum & @smilesy’s analysis echoes my own thoughts, although I actually find I have some sympathy with Meghan ( words I never thought I would type)

In an obvious case of caveat emptor she married the Prince without realising that he was a particularly dim frog.

I see her current solo projects as her attempts to get her ducks in a row, to safeguard her own future. If she was on MN moaning about her man-child, it is what we would tell her to do.

I think chosing the BBC of all media organisations to give an interview to is in it’self interesting.

While I do understand your thoughts, and I don’t blame Meghan as much as I do Harry , I’m afraid her behaviour has not been particularly good either.
her comments and spiteful behaviour towards the queen and Catherine isn’t the behaviour of a particulary nice person.

she Displays all the behaviour of a bully.
my sympathy is equally limited, she set out to get herself a high profile, rich husband.
she succeeded beyond her wildest dreams , he has elevated her far beyond any station she could have gotten on her own merits.

if she finds her life not up to what she imagined then thats her cross to bear!
we are all being polite here and not stating the simple truth, Meghan is a high class gold digger who got her man.
like many women before her whether it is worth it , well thats her problem.

I find the Meghan blame as infantilising of Harry as the events that happened 28 years ago. He may have regrets now but he was loving the smearing of his family. His smug face on talk shows, his patronising crap about not calling the royal family racist. He loved the power and had he got the adoration and blank cheques he'd still be loving it.

This. If it's "ridiculous" that's strange, because it's a recognised security precaution.

All major royal news gets broken on the 6 O'clock news. This interview was timed for being examined as breaking news in the 6pm slot; and placed with the BBC to give it "royal" legitimacy via the UK's state broadcaster, imo.

I’m quite sure Meghan didn’t realise exactly who she was marrying but she also doesn’t seem to have taken in to account at all the fact that he was part of an ancient institution that was huge bound by tradition and convention. I think she just saw $ signs. I’m not saying she is the only one to blame for how things have worked out. Harry was blind to the situation and refused to listen to anyone who suggested that they both needed to make sure that the other one knew what they were getting from the relationship. I don’t know if they are a love match or not (the cynic in me is doubtful since Meghan seems
to have been actively seeking a partner), but even if they are that isn’t really enough for anyone marrying in the the RF if they are not prepared to make the fairly major compromises that come with joining the firm

Hide bound. Not huge. Missed the edit window 😆

I agree with all of that except the "high class" bit, @jeffgoldblum

I'm blessed to know some extremely classy people, not all with money by any means, and Meghan's behaviour - once described on here as "vulpine" - makes them all shudder

As has been said it's not about money, titles, beauty or any of the other noticeable things; it's about ingrained good manners and a certain grace of behaviour, which can carry folk through an awful lot and which Meghan appears to totally lack

Very Savvy and tactic move by team Sussex , it did not negatively impact them that much I think, not in the way it’s been reported in many Media outlets at least. Nonetheless it was very impertinent.

and I’m positive it really took the RF by surprise.

It really boils down to money, their bills are astronomical and having some funded security which can later be used as an umbrella for foreign trips to commonwealth countries , flights , transport , stays etc. perhaps uk funded security in California?

i doubt he cares about his country or family. He’s neither here or there , but prefers to be there it seems . With all the trimmings his title and what he sees he’s entitled to. Like Meghan said In her rented set in California you know I’m a Sussex now!

Apologies @Puzzledandpissedoff! I was trying to think of a polite word!!
high level ?
high reaching?
you get the gist!!! 🤣

Nothing to apologise for, jeff; mine was only another thought to add to all the rest

But yes, I got the gist ...

I’m positive it really took the RF by surprise

Maybe, but not necessarily, @queenofarles
Remembering they actually know him personally and did even when the rest of us were getting the spun version, they'll also know what he's capable of.
It could even be argued that, far from trying to "trap" him in the UK, their real aim was to prevent him making a total fool of himself (and incidentally spraying his sh1t all over them)

Have been musing on another point re the interview.

Somewhere upthread I think @GiveMeSpanakopita said it was pre-recorded, and I've seen comments elsewhere suggesting it was recorded the evening before (not sure how people would know).

Would this not be a breach of the Court embargo?

@Puzzledandpissedoff . Totally agrée about ingrained good manners. Vulpine is the perfect word.

Members of that set can be ruthless and unkind to non PLU but once accepted on the inside they largely protect their own.

They saw Markle coming a mile off - that shooting lunch at Sandringham would just have confirmed it- and doubtless havé been horrified ever since.

That’s interesting. I was wondering if he was looking for the support of the British public or just some attention. Do you think he went with the BBC because he felt it would be reported more in the UK this way and put pressure on his family or maybe he thought US news just wouldn’t be interested.

Her age was driving it if they wanted children. Harry thought " here at last is someone who listens to my whining " . She catered to his needs , listened to him indulgently I am sure all the while with her eyes on the prize. This was better than any ordinary English boyfriend like Ashley Cole .

@Sunnyglowdays I think he is so deluded he thinks everyone loves him. I have known a narc like this and this is how they think on the surface level while underneath they know how low they are.