Harry and RAVEC #2

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Don’t get me wrong, I’m no Harry fan. Just pointing out that Theresa definitely has her security in place and quite rightly due to her past political career. They are often browsing the ketchup whilst she checks out the pesto. Do I think a couple of grifters in Cali who were stupid enough to boast about a kill count get that level? Nope. He’s utterly offensive and clearly disrespectful of every single one of us as tax payers.

She's on now and fawning over him again, although she's not informed as to the facts.

You'd think the Beeb would have someone on who does understand how it all works, to provide some balance.

They've only got 10 bedrooms. Where would they put the 80 person Netflix crew?

I agree! The sm “noise” surrounding him and his family is vile.

I am obviously a minority voice but a classic establishment stitch up sounds about right to me.

The doors have been closed on him.

I’d also be interested to know what Harry was referring to when he said some of the evidence was out there if people cared to look?

Tbf 3 hours notice is masses of time to set up an interview like this. News organisations, and organisations that like to think of themselves as still being news organisations, need to be able to respond quickly to events. And the embargo would only be the result, not that there will be one.

I am obviously a minority voice but a classic establishment stitch up sounds about right to me.

So Prince Harry Duke of Sussex is not part of the 'establishment'?

On which point of law do you believe the 3 High Court judges erred?

Well Harry clearly doesn't ever want to reconcile with his family in spite of what he says.

I feel pretty sorry for Charles tonight.

He is not going to get reconciliation with anyone in the UK while he is still married to MM, and he certainly won't get reconciliation until he shows some humility and apologises to those who've also felt hurt by all of this.

To be clear, I find H's story very sad. He was a victim, as a child, but he's put himself into a relationship which feeds his victimhood. I would welcome him, and his children, back in the UK. Yes, him and the kids.

Indeed.

The number of inconsistencies and the conclusions he draws from those are astonishing.

I think he’s lost all rationality (if he ever had it).

As a pp said, the optics if anything happened to him or his family in the UK would be terrible. The idea that the establishment/ his family are trying to put him in harms way is ridiculous.

The only people who’ve undermined his security arrangements are him and his wife bias the choice they made and continue to make.

I’d get out my violin, but it’s so bloody tiny I can’t find it.

He lies so frequently that he forgets the lies. He needs a spreadsheet.

I agree. If he led the life he kept banging on about wanting, he wouldn't be deemed much of a target anyway.

He endlessly wants his cake and eat it. I just wish he would bugger off and have a nice life and not expect tax payers of this country to fund stuff he should be funding himself.

It would be quite fascinating to have been a fly on the wall when they drafted their exit statement - I mean surely some one had some input and Harry really thought he would remain an IPP forever.

The problem has always in my opinion been money. He must sit down with his financial planners and work out how much he needs for the rest of his life to live the lifestyle he is accustomed too and it must be a shocking amount.

Tbf to Haz though (two side to every story and all that....) his experience of family affection is pretty skewed. For us mere mortals, parental love might have looked like an extra ice-cream at teatime, perhaps two packets of crisps and a lemonade at the pub. Being allowed to watch ITV.

For Harry, nothing said 'daddy loves you' like a RF PPO. So, yes, taking away the dummy must cut pretty deep.

(Edited to add - not the PPO being the dummy, but is Hazzer's security blanket.)

So Prince Harry Duke of Sussex is not part of the 'establishment'?

Not any more! Circles are tight in those echelons and once you breach them, you are out in the wilderness.

On which point of law do you believe the 3 High Court judges erred?

I don’t think he was necessarily referring to points of law!

But Charles is not responsible for the allocation of security. This has been discussed many times.

He chose to move to another continent as a private citizen. You can't be suggesting that British taxpayers should have been funding his security there?

Yes certainly the outriders don’t close the A4 roundabouts anymore, but I saw her a couple of weeks ago and I recognise her guys now. They do a great job of not being next to her and giving her some space but also being close enough. Harry no doubt would want armed guys in a square around him, US style. Dream on.

But Harry chose to be 'in the wilderness' didn't he?

And of course he's not talking about legal decisions. He lacks the intellect to understand such matters, or indeed how the real world works at all. But this is a legal battle, so legal decisions are the only relevant ones here.

Again, what do you find objectionable here?

I’m beginning to think @IcedPurple, that unless we do something called a Harry tax and demonstrate just how much people would personally have to pay to give Harry the security he feels he deserves in another country 24 hours a day for the rest of his life, they simply won’t get it!
the same people defending this would certainly complain if it affects their lifestyle personally.

'Crushed' by the judgement...

'Fearful' for his family's safety... who are being 'put in harms way'...

He just plays the victim. He doesn't seem to be able to understand that his family doesn't speak to him because he sold them.out.

That the decision about his security is based on a risk assessment, as it should be.

He is now 'willing to forgive'... well, that's nice. But if his family forgive him it will be in their own time, it's in response to his actions.

FFS

God he’s an embarrassment to himself. Comes across and bitter and really quite dim.

I've been watching for the past hour across Sky and BBC, and I don't think I've heard it said once that Harry does actually get security when he visits Britain. He's just required to cooperate with the authorities.

If you didn't know better, you would think he's left to his own devices and 'they' have no concern for his and his children's safety. That isn't the case at all, though you wouldn't know that by watching this 'coverage'.

He has to be on his best behaviour for the next few years in the US as if he pisses Trump off he will literally be up shits creek. But if Trump did do anything it would still be Charles fault - state banquet and all. Blair's security was called into question for his jetting off around the world, Harry honestly believed he would have British security whilst living abroad. He may of not even got a visa for that in the states.

The one thing he has achieved with this interview is drowning out the judgement. The BBC didn't refer to it at all.

Off topic but one Friday, at the end of a particularly difficult week for TM with Brexit, I saw Phillip walking down the street with a bottle of red wine and a bunch of flowers. I would like to think he was bringing them home to TM to cheer her up.

Its' not based on a risk assessment though, he gets high level I assume armed security if he's invited to the UK by KC - otherwise if he visits friends or for charity work he can rely on his non-armed private security. The judgement said that the risk to his safety did not change when his security was stepped down but no laws had been broken.