Harry and RAVEC #2

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Surely this must be the final ruling ? So he doesn't know if his security will be the same as before?

Does he know though? Surely the ruling is confidential, like a verdict?

In this judicial review yes, I believe so. But I think what the pp meant is that if he's successful, his win will be that the decision has to be remade in a lawful way. It would still be possible for the ultimate security decision to be the same, as long as the process is correct.

The case is about whether RAVEC followed due process. Harry says they didn't because it was different to the process followed for others and omitted a particular risk assessment. The Home Office for RAVEC say they did, by using a bespoke process because Harry's set of circumstances is unique and a first for RAVEC. Tomorrow we will find out whether the Supreme Court agrees with the Home Office or Harry. If the Home Office, that's the end of the road for Harry and his security will remain as it is ie giving 28 days notice and security being put in place based on the circumstances. If Harry, his case will be reconsidered by RAVEC, including the omitted risk analysis. He would in that case end up with either the same or different security arrangements.

Sorry @Profhilodisaster forget to include your post with mine answering your questions.

The process is that the complainant is told in advance if the decision being made public so Harry and his lawyers will already know.

That might explain his even surlier than usual expression !

My thought too.

I'm not sure about his expression as it seems quite the norm in the last few years, but his comments regarding swords if he didn't get what he wants appears to be happening, even if through his wife, the people mag and online.

I'm not so sure it might not go for Harry on a angel dancing on a pinhead , but as people have said it won't mean he get what wants necessarily , just it has to be looked at again. What I am a bit cross about is him costing the court time and money ( which in the grand scheme of things is a drop in the ocean of taxpayers' money I know , but it does come over to me as self entitled.) What I do think is -whatever the decision, those judges will not want to get it wrong. It doesn't really matter I would think for legal precedent , but it is high profile - so which ever way the decision goes I would bet they get it right (in terms of the case Harry brought to them) Whether that seems common sense to most people is a different matter. It would be pretty to think H would pay at least his costs whatever , but hey.

ETA - if M referred to H recently as a dragonslayer rescuing / protecting his princess / family - that could mean he's "won" it or it could be a early shot as to what Harry was trying to achieve. I'm not sure I take his resting Prince face as a clue , because he seems to have had it for a while 😂

I'm not Serenster, but my husband is a litigator and has had many an embargoed judgment. The point of the embargo is to allow the parties to deal with any ancillary matters before the judgment is made public - not to dispute the substantive judgment or ask for substantive changes. This can range from minor things like typos; to requests for ancillary orders if there judgment might have a knock on effect, eg if there is a related piece of litigation or something else needs to happen in the case as a result of the judgment to bring it to a conclusion or to the next step. Also, the parties may want to ask the judge to make an order for how costs will be dealt with. And I suppose in sensitive/high profile cases like this, giving the parties a chance to digest the judgment before being confronted with the press.

Funny people are talking about Harry's face. My husband is very, very strict about what he lets me know about his work and certainly he would get into massive trouble if he shared something like an embargoed judgment with me. I have to guess from his face how it's gone!

I'm now wondering if all the HRH controversy is some sort of clapback following a negative outcome for Harry. A sort of reminder of their status.

Anyway, even if Harry's won, all he has won is a re-run of the decision making process about his security, with no guarantee that the outcome will be any different to what it has been up until now.

Thank you all for explaining, it's coming back to me now ! My gut feeling is they will find in favour of Harry and then RAVEC will look at it again and come to the same conclusion.

The ultimate irony would be if RAVEC looks at it again and down grades his security. It could be a possibility because his profile is much lower here these days and he rarely comes.

@RandyRedHumpback Anyway, even if Harry's won, all he has won is a re-run of the decision making process about his security, with no guarantee that the outcome will be any different to what it has been up until now.

So not really a win but we (tax payer) get to pay the substantial costs. What ever happens unless it is a complete back down he will not be happy because it is not what he wants.

@MrsLeonFarrell That would be his just deserts.

As long as there are no threats and he and his family are safe, I'd quite enjoy seeing him win in principal but have his security downgraded.

I will laugh like a drain if he ends up with a worse security position than he has at the moment. Stupid man.

And yes, @binkie163 the tax payer is paying for this nonsense either way. Even if Harry loses, the govt will never get back all its costs and there's the largely forgotten cost of court time and judicial resources that will never be recovered. Today, my DH was bemoaning the fact that the court system is completely backed up when he's trying to get some dates in for one of his cases.

He's off to Las Vegas soon, (on Archie's birthday I believe) , I wonder how big his security cavalcade will be.

Thank you @IdaGlossop - so Harry does indeed know.

I think it’s outrageous that his costs at this stage are covered - by me (well, and a few others). I’m already steaming about the Chambers (article in Spectator this week) which represents every no-good because of their anti-establishment position rather than their impartiality. The taxpayer should not be shafted by those %playing a game^ . I’m not saying the Judges are messing about, but (wasting) public money should be a top priority.

Right, so he's off to Vegas on Archie's birthday? But we had idiots on here a couple of years back seriously suggesting the the Coronation shouldn't have been scheduled on that same date because of the clash?

<<shakes head>>

I remember that !
Did he not also go and play polo on a birthday ?

Charlotte’s birthday tomorrow. Wonder how Meghan will try to overshadow that ? She seems to dislike the child.

Do you know @MrsLeonFarrell - it would almost be worth stomaching the money this has cost the HO and the Govt for it to come back & to downgrade what he has already been given. That sounds a bit horrid and I apologise for it .I , perhaps naively , think RAVEC will have given him appropriate security.

Be in no doubt I don't want to see Harry in danger , nor his family. I just don't . I think he is turning into a nincompoop but that's no reason to see him in danger. But I do sort of trust the HO to have given him appropriate protection. If that turns out that he wins on a technicality - well I would say to Harry - wait and see what you get in the end and if you think you were unpopular before - let it be so.

I too believe his current security is appropriate. I doubt that increasing it would increase his popularity and I doubt decreasing it would affect anyone else's popularity. He is more and more irrelevant in the public life of the country.

I'm sure boots used to do a cough medicine that had creosote as an active ingredient it burned all the crud off your throat and made your breath smell like a freshly painted fence