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All the focus on H & M - where's the outrage against Andrew? (Season 2)

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Samcro · 16/04/2025 19:16

Thread 2 of what is an interesting topic.

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BasiliskStare · 18/04/2025 15:35

@Tomatotater I get where you are coming from reading DM articles and comments. & I agree.

My view re the DM is - they somewhat bend with the wind - they want readership and to be fair they are very successful mass market middle of the road newspaper. They have in the past done some "proper journalism " - but not always.

I read the DM online. I don't subscribe so lots of articles I don't see - but it is one of the better constructed on-line newspapers IMHO - ie website easy to navigate. We also have online subscriptions in this house to The Times , Telegraph and I can read the Guardian for free. So I like to think I can read newspapers with something of a critical eye. (I, years ago, did a seminar class with the wife of the then deputy editor of the Observer - Anthony Howard. He told me once that a woman had said - I like the Observer because it is unbiased - and he gently said to her , No it isn't it just agrees with your bias)

So my point is - it is fine to read DM articles. Those who are more critical of thinking won't swallow everything they say. I don't think it is unreasonable to read the comments. It is interesting to see what others think .

themightysossidge · 18/04/2025 16:09

TulipTiptoer · 18/04/2025 12:39

I don't think they are a credible source at all. I was merely commenting on the comments left by the readership of the DM. The editorial is another matter!

And the readers' comments are the direct result of that editorial.

TulipTiptoer · 18/04/2025 16:48

themightysossidge · 18/04/2025 16:09

And the readers' comments are the direct result of that editorial.

Yes. But I doubt the DM will be saying that William and Kate are not going to the Easter Sunday service, if that wasn't so. I presume it is fact. And that is what the comments are about. Non attendance at that Service.
That is all.

mainecooncatonahottinroof · 18/04/2025 16:51

milleniumstar · 17/04/2025 22:36

You may not like the way he is carrying out the duties of Prince of Wales, but he's here, carrying out the role, alongside his wife, and bringing up his children to be dutiful members of the family. Whereas Harry pissed off to Cali to live "a life of service", because, "service is universal" of course (!) and is living off his wife flogging merch.

What does here mean?

I don't see a huge difference between the two to be honest

That's on you.

mainecooncatonahottinroof · 18/04/2025 16:55

TulipTiptoer · 18/04/2025 09:11

Could you show me, in my post, where I said that?

I didn't. I am only discussing William and Kate here. I found it interesting that the mood had changed on there.

Fuck me I thought you were lower than a snake's belly if you ever read the DM!!! The readers' comments is a whole new level entirely!!

mainecooncatonahottinroof · 18/04/2025 16:56

TulipTiptoer · 18/04/2025 08:59

I agree. I loathe the DM but sometimes stray onto comments because, to me, it gives me an idea of what the typical readership of that sort of media thinks. And oh my, the Royalists are a getting fed up with the heir and wife. I've not seen that before in previous years. They need to take heed.

How do you know such comments are coming from Royalists???! I'd say it's more likely that they aren't!

MadeInGrimsby · 18/04/2025 16:57

mainecooncatonahottinroof · 18/04/2025 16:55

Fuck me I thought you were lower than a snake's belly if you ever read the DM!!! The readers' comments is a whole new level entirely!!

Yes, but now the DM are a bit more pro Meghan and Harry.

jeffgoldblum · 18/04/2025 17:30

The dm have always been pro the dm , they print whichever news story that will get the most traction, they care not who it’s against at any given time , anyone who doesn’t fact check it and takes it as gospel deserves to have the wool pulled over their eyes !
for an example we don’t find out about the royals visits till after the event or at all , unfortunately this leads some people to think that if something hasn’t been published that it doesn’t or hasn’t happened.
i.e work visits from the royals.
then we have untrue narratives such as breaking with tradition for Easter services… Charles as pow didn’t do them , the queen did as hos it was her job , occasionally others have joined but it was never expected, now Charles is king he does the Easter service, but apparently people expect William to do it as pow !
why .. because the dm made them think it was his responsibility but that isn’t the case .

Samcro · 18/04/2025 17:53

Not everyone reads the DM.
I do have to question if there is no publicly about a work visit, then what is the purpose of it.

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MadeInGrimsby · 18/04/2025 17:56

Samcro · 18/04/2025 17:53

Not everyone reads the DM.
I do have to question if there is no publicly about a work visit, then what is the purpose of it.

To do the work.

themightysossidge · 18/04/2025 21:02

TulipTiptoer · 18/04/2025 16:48

Yes. But I doubt the DM will be saying that William and Kate are not going to the Easter Sunday service, if that wasn't so. I presume it is fact. And that is what the comments are about. Non attendance at that Service.
That is all.

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Aaah you think there is only one way of reporting fact? No I don't think you do really - you are just wriggling . 🪱

themightysossidge · 18/04/2025 21:03

mainecooncatonahottinroof · 18/04/2025 16:55

Fuck me I thought you were lower than a snake's belly if you ever read the DM!!! The readers' comments is a whole new level entirely!!

Indeed!!!

themightysossidge · 18/04/2025 21:05

Samcro · 18/04/2025 17:53

Not everyone reads the DM.
I do have to question if there is no publicly about a work visit, then what is the purpose of it.

I'm trying to decipher your post? Are you asking what is the point of the RF doing a visit if it is not reported in the news?

TulipTiptoer · 18/04/2025 21:07

themightysossidge · 18/04/2025 21:02

Aaah you think there is only one way of reporting fact? No I don't think you do really - you are just wriggling . 🪱

What? Not sure what wriggling is going on here 😂🤣😂

Not sure where I said there was only one way of reporting fact! Looking forward to seeing the couple on Sunday if that's the case 😂

They will look fabulous as always

Enoughisenough689 · 19/04/2025 00:35

TulipTiptoer · 18/04/2025 09:38

I agree @Samcro . My adult DCs and all their peer group, friends etc, are completely uninterested in the royal family in any way, shape or form. They are too busy living their lives, paying their mortgages/rent, and enjoying life. And some of them have far more pressing problems to deal with actually.

Yes my adult dcs have absolutely no interest in them whatsoever.

mainecooncatonahottinroof · 19/04/2025 00:38

I have to be honest and say, my adult DC aren't interested in them either!

jeffgoldblum · 19/04/2025 00:40

mainecooncatonahottinroof · 19/04/2025 00:38

I have to be honest and say, my adult DC aren't interested in them either!

Why would they be! , they have an awful lot more to be concerned about in this day and age.

mainecooncatonahottinroof · 19/04/2025 00:54

jeffgoldblum · 19/04/2025 00:40

Why would they be! , they have an awful lot more to be concerned about in this day and age.

True!! Though I am a bit bemused that my interest in royal families and history in general hasn't rubbed off even a little bit on any of them!! 😁The eldest and the youngest even did A level History! Philistines 😄

Though the three of them have gone down completely different paths, languages (me too), fashion, and economics!

jeffgoldblum · 19/04/2025 00:56

mainecooncatonahottinroof · 19/04/2025 00:54

True!! Though I am a bit bemused that my interest in royal families and history in general hasn't rubbed off even a little bit on any of them!! 😁The eldest and the youngest even did A level History! Philistines 😄

Though the three of them have gone down completely different paths, languages (me too), fashion, and economics!

Kids always go a different path ! It’s rebellious, they sometimes come back full circle . ❤️

mainecooncatonahottinroof · 19/04/2025 01:17

jeffgoldblum · 19/04/2025 00:56

Kids always go a different path ! It’s rebellious, they sometimes come back full circle . ❤️

Yes, I think they might have more of an interest when they are older. Maybe not, but that's fine!

Enoughisenough689 · 19/04/2025 01:59

Samcro · 18/04/2025 17:53

Not everyone reads the DM.
I do have to question if there is no publicly about a work visit, then what is the purpose of it.

Bit late to this part of the discussion but I think this is an interesting question.

It’s all very well saying the work is valuable in itself, and I’m sure some of it is, but the RF need the press in order to survive. Unless they win people over with pomp and that is expensive and can potentially backfire.

I get where @TulipTiptoer is coming from too.

The DM is a tricky one. Hard to gauge it’s mood. I’ve definitely detected a shift recently too. It is interesting. Are they establishing a narrative or following one?

The on-line paper, if worthy of the name, is completely unreadable but I sometimes read stories on these threads.

I’m quite interested in the links between the Palace PR managers and how it all
spins.

Just from my own observation, in the recent past, I think there have been pretty clear tit for tat deals happening with certain friends of Camilla shall we say.

But perhaps the number crunchers have not found that as profitable as they had hoped? And from the DM’s perspective, KC and Camilla will probably become less and less valuable to them in terms of clicks as the years go on.

W & K have absented themselves owing to K’s illness. But William is pursuing a bit of a risky strategy I think by being quite aloof. One of the intentional or unintentional effects of this is that all of the focus has been on H&M.

It would be interesting to see what would happen hypothetically of H& M were to go silent. If I was their PR manager, that would be my advice now, other than a few non-controversial projects. And then where would the press attention go?

If KC and Camilla and W and K, from a DM readership perspective, are too staid and boring, there will be a bit of a vacuum for the next decade until William’s children come of age.

It’s a real problem for the RF too. How to stay relevant. They need the press to report on their activities but low brow reporting has been normalised now to the extent that quite respectable papers back podcasts discussing ´Kate’s fashion u-turns’ and ‘Beatrice’s baby’ and that’s mild in comparison to some of them! It’s hard to dial back to staid good deeds after a couple of decades of this nonsense.

The other problem for William is that if he takes a more strategic aloof approach and isn’t seen as much, even if he is doing good things behind the scenes, and he slims down both the numbers of RF members on active service, and their remit, it gets harder and harder to justify their many homes and almost obscene wealth and privilege.

I think these problems have been evident for a while now, but they are even more evident now that the furore over H & M is dying back a bit. Actually, I’d go as far to say that some Royal strategists have realised this and have driven the anti H&M rhetoric forward for this reason.

It’s very bad for the RF too that the main focus of interest at the moment is Andrew!

MadeInGrimsby · 19/04/2025 05:53

You've got no evidence about "certain friends of Camilla". If that were true, she'd have a lot more publicity which was positive. She regularly visits women's refuges for example, which go under the radar.
William has had to focus on his wife and children, understanding what it's like to lose a mother when you're a child. Diana had two sons.
He's also had to be mindful that at any point he could inherit the throne and be HoS. His only sibling, his own brother has meanwhile been acting in the most self absorbed way, getting as much publicity as possible and throwing shade on the RF. William has been visiting homeless charities throughout the UK. He went to a local one, that didn't even make the national news.
I suspect he doesn't want to be a celebrity. Harry and Meghan do. They just want the headlines and the clicks, and don't appear to care how that happens, or why, or who gets villified in the process. I think that's the difference..

Samcro · 19/04/2025 09:21

how long can William use his children as the excuse for not stepping up?
I like Camilla, but she has friends like clarkson who have said vile stuff about meghan.

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smilesy · 19/04/2025 09:36

Samcro · 18/04/2025 17:53

Not everyone reads the DM.
I do have to question if there is no publicly about a work visit, then what is the purpose of it.

Sorry just catching up. The Duchess of Edinburgh went to Sandhurst last week as the Sovereign’s representative. It wasn’t in the news. I’m fairly sure it was important to those cadets who were commissioned. The King himself was there in the spring just before the coronation. That barely got a mention. They still do things that don’t make the DM front page

eta or any other front page🤷‍♀️

MadeInGrimsby · 19/04/2025 09:41

Same with Camilla's visits to women's refuges, and William going round homeless charities, talking to people and learning their stories, or talking to football players about their mental health. Maybe the official royals don't want to be celebrities. Maybe they don't want all the headlines and the clicks just for themselves. Maybe it's just about doing the job.

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