All the focus on H & M - where's the outrage against Andrew? (Season 2)

[Samcro]

Thread 2 of what is an interesting topic.

I thought that you noted anti W&K comments. So? That doesn't necessarily mean that they are unpopular with the UK population as a whole, if that's the conclusion you're trying to draw?

Well this has gone left! I thought a made an innocuous comment, clearly fruit loops are everywhere 😆

I know you are trying to do some sort of 'gotcha'. No idea why.

All I am saying is... the comments on the DM have in the past been very positive about william and kate. Now they are not so much. I just found that interesting.

I am not trying to draw any conclusion! I have not talked of the UK population as a whole either! I made a passing comment about the DM's readership, that is all.

I think I read somewhere on MN that the Sussexes have started to give tidbits to the DM no idea if that’s true or not.

However the readership I should imagine is anti them. If the readership is becoming anti Waleses I think that’s an interesting point.

I won’t read it though as I don’t like to give them the clicks.

exit: to add cross posted with @TulipTiptoer

edit even not exit 🙄

I doubt W&K are as popular as some think. the younger generation must find them a bit of a joke. imagine you are struggling to get on the property ladder and you have these rich people who get paid for doing next to nothing. (you can insert any of the RF as well)
then you have sleazy uncle Andy being allowed to dress up and go on outings that they know will be photographed.
I know from speaking to my own young folk, they have no time for the royals.
disclaimer. i am old and like the RF.(obviously not A)

awaits some one posting a poll that no one i know has ever taken part in.

No "gotcha".
Just wondering why btl comments in the DM hold any kind of relevance when they're usually dismissed completely on here.
If you agree with them or whatever, your choice. It's a free press in a free country.

Yes, it is a free country. I just made a comment in passing about the DM readership and how the mood has changed somewhat. Relevance? No probably not, but I did find it interesting. But aren't forum posts just idle thoughts by idle people ? 🤣

Who knows? I don't really judge people on here, or label them, I just tend to think about the discussion 😂

Goodness me. I can't even crack a joke on here anymore!

It was just a joke!!

I think you make good points, @Samcro . My adult DCs are the same! I also agree with you about polls, although I think they're slightly more reliable than general feelings.
I think we'd need Peter Snow to do a deep dive with some stats!

awaits some one posting a poll that no one i know has ever taken part in.

I take your point - I don't know anyone who's taken part in a poll about the RF.
But polls - if done by a reputable body - are probably more accurate than "nobody I know likes/dislikes someone or other".
My "own young folk" rather like the RF, especially W&C and haven't much time for M&H.
For example, my niece and her friend went to London for W&C's wedding when they were 19, and at a wedding of two 20-somethings just after TLQ's death, a toast was drunk to her and then to the new King.
I don't think that means that all people in the teens and 20s are pro the RF, though.
Just the ones I know who have expressed an opinion - RF chats are pretty rare in my life.

Eta Oops! X-posted with MadeInGrimsby.
Much more concise than me too

I agree @Samcro . My adult DCs and all their peer group, friends etc, are completely uninterested in the royal family in any way, shape or form. They are too busy living their lives, paying their mortgages/rent, and enjoying life. And some of them have far more pressing problems to deal with actually.

Yes, my adult children and GC the same. They neither like nor dislike members of the RF (including those that live overseas) and, if asked, would probably say they are an irrelevance. My 40+ daughter sat and watched QE2's funeral with me (I was convalescing) and was actually quite interested in the history and pomp and ceremony, but had no idea who anybody was! Despite the above, they would probably be horrified if it was suggested that we binned the lot - years of history lessons have left their influence.

W's work with organizations which address being homeless has been praised by those leading these organizations. Through W, Lloyds bank is lending £50 million to homelessness charities with a proven track record, but which still find it hard to source debt capital.
But he is still getting other people to give/ lend money to causes, when we don't know how much tax he is paying on his private earnings. I would bet if he was an 'ordinary' landowner, his tax bill would be well over £50 million. That is money that is not going on public services, including drug rehabilitation, charitable grants etc.
It's the same as Royalty always has been. Do as I say so I don't have to.

I think it goes to the general attitudes in the country, as so many people do comment. The DM is basically a shit stirrer when it comes to the RF. A huge part of their revenue comes from the RF, and the large majority of that is from stories about Harry and Meghan, and especially their 'heroes and villains' narrative re W & K. If people underneath that are not as supportive of the RF, then once people stop clicking and commenting on stories about Harry and Meghan, the DM and the rest will start on W & K. If the kids are old enough by that time, they will start on them. They don't care about them. They are not pro or anti Royal as a paper (they may be anti Harry as he's sued them) they are overwhelmingly pro trying to survive in a dying industry, so they want clicks and revenue. That is it.

Years of History lessons should surely mean evaluating evidence and considering original sources? Then reaching a balanced conclusion?

Yes, this, absolutely 👍

Love your post @Tomatotater
they are only in it for themselves and shareholders.

Years of lessons about British history have evidenced the value of a monarchy. If you know that my children have a different view however.....

Yet again the DM is raised up as a creditable source when it works against the RF yet this same source is derided by many with their pieces and comments about the Sussexes. I recall that happening a little while ago when a H and M fan on here got caught in that trap. But -- let's leave it here shall we ? 😂😂😂😂

I don't think they are a credible source at all. I was merely commenting on the comments left by the readership of the DM. The editorial is another matter!

No History lessons in UK schools present evidence of the "value" of the monarchy. Check the History curriculum over the last 40 years. I know of what I speak.

Oh you sweet, innocent petal. Years of lessons about British history to some of us educated in the 70s and 80s evidenced the monarchy as being murdering, genocidal, greedy, adulterous, hypocritical, mercenary, hoarding, arrogant, entitled, amoral individuals with dubious genetic material and little consideration for anything other than the accumulation and preservation of vast wealth and power for themselves. I, even as a child, was never fooled by the crumbs they threw to the peasants now and then.

Quite, @HiRen ! Plus nearly every single History teacher I've ever worked with, supervised and observed has made sure that lessons are evidence based.
I think maybe that poster was thinking about the 1950s when traditional values like being pro royal were still being promoted.

I have not read the DM in years so no idea if they are pro the RF or not.

it will be interesting to see if PA is at church this weekend. sounds like W&K will be a no show.