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All the focus on H & M - where's the outrage against Andrew? (Season 2)

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Samcro · 16/04/2025 19:16

Thread 2 of what is an interesting topic.

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jeffgoldblum · 20/04/2025 12:06

Samcro · 20/04/2025 12:05

@vera99 why don't you start your own thread. what you are posting is not relevant in anyway to this thread.

Yes , it sounds like you should start a thread in politics if you feel strongly about reform, this is the royal family topic !

themightysossidge · 20/04/2025 12:07

vera99 · 20/04/2025 11:57

The wiser interpretation is the one I focused on—that of Telegraph subscribers, not random people on the internet indulging in a comment pile-on.

So if we run with that then you think many Conservative people are criticising Charles because he acknowledges Islam and Judaism in his Easter message and this is a good thing or it is a sign that he needs to change his ways ? Or is it just anything to criticise Charles and say his popularity is waning ?

myrtleWilson · 20/04/2025 12:07

I too preferred Vera's sock puppeting days to these when she appears to be gleeful in sharing islamaphobic comments of no relevance to the thread.

vera99 · 20/04/2025 12:08

MadeInGrimsby · 20/04/2025 12:01

I think if you wish to give credence to these awful comments, just consider this; Charles has never shirked from certain beliefs, including inclusivity and green issues. Before green issues were a thing he was roundly lampooned and mocked for his views. Same with the then Prince's Trust and the amazing work done there.
He would diminish enormously in my opinion if he heeded those posts you have selected, and modified his behaviour accordingly.
I cannot believe that you would support any of these comments, but surely you don't think that Charles should actually change his behaviour beliefs for the sake of a bigoted, vociferous minority?
Really?

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I completely take your point about Charles having long championed causes like the enviroment and social inclusion, often well before they were widely accepted or fashionable. He deserves credit for that foresight and the personal resilience it must have taken to keep going in the face of mockery or indifference at the time.

That said, I don’t think it's about Charles abandoning his core beliefs or caving to a reactionary crowd. Rather, it’s about being attuned to how those beliefs and values are expressed now that he's King, and the context in which they're recieved. There’s a line between staying true to your principles and failing to adapt when the world—and your role in it—changes.

Much of the critcism swirling online is not, in my view, worth taking too seriously. But some of it does come from people who feel unheard, alienated, or even just confused by the messaging from the monarchy at times. That doesn’t make them right, but in a constitutional role built so much on symbolism and public sentiment, perception does matter.

So no, I don’t believe he should bend to bigotry—but I also don’t think being thoughtful about public response is the same as surrendering to it. It’s a delicate balance, and I think it’s fair to talk about how well it’s being managed.

jeffgoldblum · 20/04/2025 12:11

I know it’s odd for me to say this!!! But what about Andrew!! 🤣

his turning up to the church this morning gurning like a fool is infuriating!
can the royals not stop him? Does he have so little regard for his brother and family that he doesn’t care about the optics for them ?

Samcro · 20/04/2025 12:14

@jeffgoldblum yes, surely KC could have stopped him.

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vera99 · 20/04/2025 12:15

jeffgoldblum · 20/04/2025 12:11

I know it’s odd for me to say this!!! But what about Andrew!! 🤣

his turning up to the church this morning gurning like a fool is infuriating!
can the royals not stop him? Does he have so little regard for his brother and family that he doesn’t care about the optics for them ?

My theory is that Andrew doesn't attract any opprobrium within the family, and some of the 'noise' we hear about Charles wanting him out of the big house, etc., is more performative than meaningful. The only thing they probably blame him for is being implicated—not for the substance of the crime. They are obviously very comfortable around him—pervert or none.

jeffgoldblum · 20/04/2025 12:16

Samcro · 20/04/2025 12:14

@jeffgoldblum yes, surely KC could have stopped him.

I agree!
I know kc is unwell but surely he could have had a word?
or at least someone could!
although a decent brother would have known, but we know Andrew isn’t decent so I’m not sure why I’m surprised.

themightysossidge · 20/04/2025 12:25

The thing is this isn't the Middle East where they keep the mad brothers shut up in a fortress in the desert and let him out at nights to run over people in vehicles.

themightysossidge · 20/04/2025 12:30

Petsonally I don't hold much respect for the York daughters . To me they are a remnant of the old days and it is time for them to move on and get on with their own lives away from the RF. I wonder if William thinks like this too and this is a path that we will see as and when his time comes. Charles is still linked ( possibly too much ) by his years with Andrew and the fact that they are his nieces. I do hope we see a loosening of some of these ties in the future.

TulipTiptoer · 20/04/2025 12:30

It has been suggested more than once that Andrew would not roll up because of Yang Tengbo and all that stuff. I presume he insisted and Charles caved. My question is... why do one curtsey when you can do two in quick succession?! I'm surprised Sarah didn't scrape her knees with her two curtseys! But she did wave a do a thumbs up to the onlookers 😂

Agree Vera, I think they are quite happy to have Andrew around

Samcro · 20/04/2025 12:37

who actually was at the church thing?

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MadeInGrimsby · 20/04/2025 12:38

Thank you for clarifying that, @vera99 , because I wasn't sure about your original point. Although I agree generally with what you say, I'm glad that Charles sticks to his core beliefs.

MadeInGrimsby · 20/04/2025 12:41

I couldn't agree more, @jeffgoldblum ! I do not want to see that gurning fool Andrew, nor his ridiculous, greedy, grasping wife!
However, I suppose in the spirit of Christian Charity, a visit to church on Easter Sunday is fine.
(I do wonder if that's why the Wales' have stayed away?)

Mylovelygreendress · 20/04/2025 12:41

ARichtGoodDram · 20/04/2025 11:54

I also do not judge her or Charles about the tampon stuff.

What would there be to judge in someone saying their luck is so bad they'd likely be reincarnated as a tampon?

The whole "wanted to be Camilla's tampon" thing that people judge over is an absolute myth and not remotely what he said

Exactly and this was a private conversation that someone hacked into .

MadeInGrimsby · 20/04/2025 12:42

Yes, but still people resurrect it to use against C&C.

TulipTiptoer · 20/04/2025 12:42

themightysossidge · 20/04/2025 12:30

Petsonally I don't hold much respect for the York daughters . To me they are a remnant of the old days and it is time for them to move on and get on with their own lives away from the RF. I wonder if William thinks like this too and this is a path that we will see as and when his time comes. Charles is still linked ( possibly too much ) by his years with Andrew and the fact that they are his nieces. I do hope we see a loosening of some of these ties in the future.

Totally agree. Their husbands are gainfully employed, so are they apparently. They have young children, two each, I have no idea why they are at these royal turn outs.

Just incidentally, it's a pet dislike of mine (no one else, no one has to agree, just my opinion!)... I hate those thick headbands all the royal women wear. Sometimes it's just a big headband, sometimes a full circle thing... they hark back to victorian times or before. Beatrice had a ridiculous one on this morning 😂

vera99 · 20/04/2025 12:42

MadeInGrimsby · 20/04/2025 12:38

Thank you for clarifying that, @vera99 , because I wasn't sure about your original point. Although I agree generally with what you say, I'm glad that Charles sticks to his core beliefs.

Thanks ! We should never forget Trump won a second term and whilst we are not and never will be the US there are worrisome trends emerging and my highlighting the Telegraph was to 'telegraph' them so to speak not agree with them. This would never have happened under QE2 but then that was the highpoint of the Monarchy which I would hazard a guess will never be beaten .

jeffgoldblum · 20/04/2025 12:45

TulipTiptoer · 20/04/2025 12:42

Totally agree. Their husbands are gainfully employed, so are they apparently. They have young children, two each, I have no idea why they are at these royal turn outs.

Just incidentally, it's a pet dislike of mine (no one else, no one has to agree, just my opinion!)... I hate those thick headbands all the royal women wear. Sometimes it's just a big headband, sometimes a full circle thing... they hark back to victorian times or before. Beatrice had a ridiculous one on this morning 😂

I’m in agreement about the headbands! Can’t stand them.

Stripeyanddotty · 20/04/2025 12:46

Wonder if William and Catherine stayed away because of Andrew?

TulipTiptoer · 20/04/2025 12:48

Stripeyanddotty · 20/04/2025 12:46

Wonder if William and Catherine stayed away because of Andrew?

Doubtful. They've been happy enough in his company before.

stillclueless · 20/04/2025 12:49

Stripeyanddotty · 20/04/2025 12:46

Wonder if William and Catherine stayed away because of Andrew?

I doubt that was the reason more like they couldn’t be bothered.

Samcro · 20/04/2025 12:49

TulipTiptoer · 20/04/2025 12:48

Doubtful. They've been happy enough in his company before.

agree. no idea why they stayed away, but doubt it had anything to do with PA.

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MadeInGrimsby · 20/04/2025 12:51

stillclueless · 20/04/2025 12:49

I doubt that was the reason more like they couldn’t be bothered.

I wouldn't rush to judgement. There was a lot of nasty "where's Kate" last year. Look what happened.
I'm hoping all is well, it's just that they're in Norfolk.

MadeInGrimsby · 20/04/2025 12:52

jeffgoldblum · 20/04/2025 12:45

I’m in agreement about the headbands! Can’t stand them.

Me too. Just wear a hat. Those big headbands look awful. I've noticed that Danish Queen favours them too. Mary.

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