Harry RAVEC decision appeal

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I thought I would start a separate thread to discuss the court case which started today. I for one am still baffled as to why Harry thinks that his treatment has been unreasonable, given that he no longer lives in the UK, but is still given security on a case by case basis when he visits. This seems perfectly reasonable to me 🤷‍♀️

I don't know if he cares about the outcome really. He's just making a point.
Plus it keeps him in the headlines, which is obviously what he wants.

I assume Harry is convinced that if RAVEC are forced to reassess his situation they will come to a different decision.

He seems to think that the royal representative on RAVEC when the original decision was made was specifically against him personally and influenced the decision. It was why he was demanding to know who had said what in terms of making the decision.

The problem is (unless there’s some special intelligence we are not privy to) that Harry is even less likely to qualify for the level of security he wants as he’s demonstrated that he’s been perfectly safe traveling all over the world, living in the US, coming back and forth to the UK.

I think it’s why they keep bringing up the NYC ‘car chase’ as it’s the only bit of flimsy evidence of any kind of threatening situation.

However the professional security experts on RAVEC are going to look at that ‘incident’ and wonder why they didn’t just stay in their own secure car and drive carefully to their next location.

I’d rather be on the cousin’s bus. I imagine that Mike is the type to sneak G&Ts and beer in via Zara’s handbag and hand them out on the mini bus 🤣

We'll probably never know if he paid. The court may say that he should but it's unlikely the Home Office will tell us whether or not he has followed through. Presumably basic data protection rules would prevent that disclosure.

So he waits 10 hours for them to turn up ... and then they can't resolve the issue?

Exactly. And for a man whose mother (& her companions) died due to not wearing a seatbelt, then that really is very stupid!

I think that would be a vain hope. As an example, they are arguing, amongst other things, that a certain RAVEC procedure wasn't followed. Let's suppose the judge agrees. Logically, the procedure could subsequently be followed and the outcome remain where it is now ie security on acase-by-case basis.

@wordler , very true about the alleged "near catastrophic car chase". That couldn't happen in the UK because he wouldn't be allowed to travel like that.
They could look at his trips to Nigeria and Colombia, various holidays and other jaunts and conclude that actually, his threat level must be quite low!
It does seem peculiar that he can live in a nation with high gun ownership and levels of gun crime and be ok, yet feel unsafe in Westminster Abbey or St Paul's Cathedral. Very odd.

If he loses this case then I hope he is presented with bill for 100% of the costs incurred in this case.

Yes, I can't see the Home Office suddenly deciding he needs top level security, whenever and wherever he chooses.

RAVEC have Harry's security needs under continual review, assisted by high level intelligence. So an incident in a foreign country really has no bearing on their decision making one way or the other.

Harry really has a grudge against his native country, little realising that if he'd been born anywhere else he'd be lucky to qualify for a minimum wage job.

Britain gave him and his wife everything, but it's still not enough. Best he stay in California.

Yes, it's possible with judicial reviews for the Home Office/whatever public authority to be told to remake the decision following procedure lawfully, but the eventual outcome to still be the same after it's remade and done properly. I haven't really followed this case but legally it sounds interesting.

For many on this site the use of the words 'racist' and 'misogyny' is a way to try and shut down discussions when it's not going the wanted way.

This, 💯

Even if he can prove that he was made to leave the Royal family, I don't see how that would be at all relevant to security provision.

It's hard to escape the impression that what Harry is really looking for in his court cases is something to right the gigantic wrong that he feels has been done to him, something that will make it fair. The problem is that no one can do that.

The only focus should be on errors of judgment, this is not a process to re trial the trail, if memory serves Harry has to pay 80% due to delays and I'm assuming this part will be starting 100% if he loses and adjusted if any procedural errors. I honestly cannot get my head around the cost of full time UK security for visits that are likely to be a rarity. It's clear that Harry wanted this ruling to set precedent for other countries as that was presented in the request for an expedited trial.

@Profhilodisaster It matters to Harry. He’s decided to appeal the High Court ruling at the Court of Appeal. Therefore his counsel will pick over the ruling and try and prove it wasn’t correct. If the Government loses it’s a big deal. For obvious reasons they need to hold the line between people working for the RF and those who are flitting in and out of the Uk for pleasure and demanding protection. At the moment it’s given on a case by case basis and he’s not always denied security. However the Home Office wants to keep it that way. Hopefully they will win and this doesn’t get to the Supreme Court.

I doubt he's even paying for himself!

Or, they come to his rescue and it turns
out he just forgot to put fuel in his vehicle

If it is ruled that they have to review the case, it might not turn out in PH's favour.

The decision re a bespoke security service was made years ago, when PH was still in the early days after leaving the RF. He was much more relevant to the UK, and The Late Queen wrote to Ravec in support of him continuing to receive security.

If the case is reviewed and considered alongside the current situation I really think he could lose the bespoke security service. He is rarely in the UK, travels freely to countries considered much more unstable than the UK, and I cannot see KC or PW writing to Ravec in support of him. He could also be considered to have deliberately raised his security risk with all the kill count rubbish in Spare.

If you watch on the official YouTube channel for court of appeal rather than bbc the camera angles are different/better - one camera on judges at all times to see their reactions and split screen with camera wide angle on court so you can see Prince Harry sat two rows behind his counsel.

https://www.youtube.com/live/NY1iFks4Uro?si=4JlKeTb19E1aiFNE

Starting afresh depended on his old status being retained but as time has gone on he has become less and less relevant but has nothing else to offer.
Overall I always think of him as a stroppy child who moves out of their parents' home because 'they don't understand me' but expects to bring his washing home and come round every Sunday for a big family lunch.

He’s a self absorbed fool. Oh dear, it’s not fair? What and Will got a bigger bedroom at Balmoral too. He needs to get over it, he really does. I seriously doubt they have any intention of spending more time in the uk even if they did get the security he wants. In fact I half hope he wins just so we can see actually how much more time they spend in the uk and when it turns out to be none he’ll look an idiot.

I bet Megan has told him she’ll spend more time here if there’s more security and he believes her 🤷‍♀️. Can’t see why he’d waste his money otherwise. But I bet she’s very happy in the USA, and why wouldn’t she be? She’s American, her family and any friends are there, the weather is better….people here don’t really like them. There’s nothing for them here.

Other members of the royal family manage ok without security and don’t appear to be getting kidnapped!