Sentebale #5

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As I finished the last one.

I think Harry was desperate to get married. He saw William and Kate being so happy and saw the RF moving on from the Diana years. He was still simmering though and along came Meghan with her wordy attitude and hanging onto every word he said. He saw his chance to shine and be more than a " spare". He couldn't believe his luck.

It's very, very unhealthy.

Stockholm syndrome

I think he (a) he is a Narc himself (b) he is well into the "devalued" stage but (c) she's his and an extension of him, so he's not gonna let anyone else devalue her, because that reflects on him.

He's changed so much. I saw a documentary he did with William in 2018 about Charles' 70th birthday. He was really positive about his Dad, complimentary about his work and achievements. He was in agreement with William, it all seemed very adult and reasonable.
Then a couple of years later he turns on him like this? Weird.

@My2cents1975
The SS was carefully seeded and nurtured but if you look, you can see the legacy infrastructure in key nodes (Ian Sexton, Sarah Data were all key) that disseminate a specific script that cascades through the SS. While there are some hard-core fans, massive armies of bots bulk up the numbers online, making the SS seem much larger than it is.

Pardon my complete ignorance but are those paid jobs or are Ian & Sarah just super fans?? I can accept moron fans, desperate people with mental health problems jumping feet first into 'their tribe' but to think this is a really an organization to destroy people, words fail me. Even the 70's football terrace yobos had more manners. Is there an opposing side? other than a few people generally taking the piss!

I think this is a very unhealthy, controlling relationship. If the genders were reversed nobody would be in any doubt.

Within 4 years of meeting Harry, she had isolated him first from his friends, then his family, then his role, his country and everything he had ever known. Now all he has is her.

I'm not saying this to let Harry off the hook for his appalling behaviour. Just pointing out that the dynamics of their relationship seem deeply unhealthy to me. Harry is isolated without a support system. Even though objectively he is still the more 'powerful' partner in this relationship, I don't think he can see that. Hence all the nonsense about how Sophie was 'jealous' of Meghan. He is detached from reality.

If divorce happens no fucker will want him after, he is a weak man & laughing stock.

I can only imagine the conversations that go on between them . Both indignant at how each of them is being treated by the press, both sympathising with each other and reinforcing how wronged they feel they are.
In a normal , healthy relationship one partner should recognise and be able to point out the other's errors , that person should listen and take on board the criticism.
Its a shame they are both cut from the same cloth because none of this appears to be happening.

Ah, you see I disagree. Marrying into royalty continues to be a prize and someone out there will think it's worthwhile. Though who it is might depend on how much money he has left.

Yes - he sees Meghan like his mum and by saving Meghan, he’s saving Diana too

So to RL market for As Ever products then?

I think that remarriage would only be possible if he agreed to live a quiet life away from the spotlight like Andrew or overseas (not UK or US)

Otherwise he’s going to attract attention hungry reality tv types who are happy with infamy.

To be as good as his brother. If you read Spare, things really turned sour when Catherine had George, and Harry was no longer part of the "Fab 3". I imagine he had a massive crush on Catherine, and regarded her as a bit of a substitute girlfriend/ female companion when the three were hanging out together, but also the two of them as a substitute mum and dad looking after him and guiding him. But he also wanted to outdo his brother, and get one over both of them for rejecting him once they had their own child. Harry is basically an Oedipal/Freudian nightmare.

There was definitely money involved. Bouzy and Ian were certainly paid for services and representation by H&M. I can’t be sure of Sara Data but she raised funds so may have profited from this. Sarah Data worked for Google HQ at one point and was very influential. She had to take a step back because she said it had become another full time job and she was exhausted from it. She was instrumental in bringing down Dan Wooten (being arrested and sacked), and unfortunately his partner too, who she apologised to for targeting him and said that he had just been collateral damage in the pursuit of Dan. Very scary stuff.

Or a woman who thinks she can 'save' him .

Holy feck, I must live a very sheltered life, I had no idea.

Me neither, what is wrong with these people?

@RandyRedHumpback Dianas cream on his winky is just grim. No normal person would put that in a book, his kids are going to see that

Very much this. An important part of a partnership is being willing/able to talk the other down from an unreasonable position and put forward alternative views, not corroborate and encourage self destructive behaviour mutually to the point it is a folie a deux.

Can you imagine anyone wanting Meghan as the ex wife ? 😬

Is he willing to destroy it because he doesn't actually care about the people it helps?

No idea; I'm not terribly interested in trying to divine what goes on in Harry's mind (if anything). I don't think he's a strategic long term thinker, if that helps. I suspect he struggles without the 'men in grey suits' to arrange every single aspect of his life for him.

I think Sentebale was probably set up, first and foremost, to give Harry something to do and to keep him away from the posh party circuit in London, because there was a period of time where he was going down a bad road. It appears to have done that to an extent and helped lots of people along the way, so kudos to the grey suits for that. But unmoored from their steadying hand, it took five years for it all to start falling apart. And of course, the development and aid worlds have changed a lot in the past few decades and there's been some extremely intelligent and experienced women on these threads who know those worlds and have explained it all very well.

The mass resignation can be seen in one of two ways - either as a tactic to try to force SC out, which is bloody high stakes, or because the resignees know that there exists documentation which might paint their stewardship of the charity in a less than favourable light. I assumed the latter, although that's from my experience of private companies and organisations. I don't know the charity world much at all.

Anyway I'm so pleased that there are some fellow Behavior Panel fans here! They are the only YouTube speech & body language analysts that I take seriously because they've got proper academic training and real world experience behind them. I've had a couple of clients who've done work with Mark Bowden and have only ever heard really excellent things about him.

Their analysis of the Netflix doc Harry & Meghan is well worth the time.

Even on a site like MN, which is very far from the worst of the Internet, around this time last year the most appalling things were being said about William and Kate. It was the period where it was known she was ill but before her cancer diagnosis was made public. I'm not going to repeat them but it was really bad, unsubstantiated vicious nonsense. It is hard not to believe there was a degree of orchestration about it that then obviously grew as these suggestions took root.

The issue was living life in the spotlight, which was clearly going to be unavoidable. His previous serious girlfriends had been from rich families themselves so had privilege but without being followed and photographed incessantly. Got to say, if I were Chelsey Davy I wouldn't have made that trade. (This is where William and the RF got really lucky, more than they'll ever know, with Kate, whose family were also wealthy - she could have had a much easier life just doing nothing in obscurity, probably married to someone also rich and unknown like Pippa and her husband.)

If the rich girls Harry met were daunted by the public profile of being married to him, then, I think there were two other options for settling down:
A) someone who shared, in depth, a passion for a cause he supported, though they might not be from his social circle. Eg an activist or charity worker.
B) someone who understood the Intensely public nature of his life and embraced it, possibly because they had some knowledge of it themselves. Eg actress, TV presenter, singer.

My feeling was that Harry thought he'd hit the jackpot with Meghan as she was both A and B. And here we are.

Him, Bouzy and Sarah Data. (Not real name). His online activities have been sanitised now funnily enough and information on him is hard to come by. He’s vile.

I bet the men in grey suits have dossiers on all of them.

Harry wanted children, quite a reasonable wish for a man in his thirties. He must have been wondering whether he would ever find a woman to have them with. Then along came Meghan, and because of her age they didn't have time to take things slowly, as William advised.

I still think it's appalling that MNHQ allowed all those Kate threads to stand, with vile things said about both W&C. Couldn't they see that it was a campaign? It was certainly obvious to many of us looking on.