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Words · 29/03/2025 12:59

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glitterturd · 30/03/2025 23:40

LipglossAlly · 30/03/2025 20:33

Why are other charities with PH as a patron seem to be doing ok( Invictus in primis), and then suddenly we are having this narrative that PH is apparently "toxic" for Santable?

There is nothing wrong with seeking other patrons/ investors, but the way the whole thing is being handled is just bizarre to me.
Does she really think that gossiping about the high profile founder of the charity and his spouse will endear her to the Bloombergs of the world when it comes to fundraising? Again I am really struggling to understand the endgame.

It would interesting to hear a more detailed account from Prince Lesotho and the other board members.

Edited

Gossiping ? You can't be serious here!

WTF is Prince Lesotho? At least get the names right 🙄

jeffgoldblum · 30/03/2025 23:42

Baital · 30/03/2025 21:45

Well, another explanation is that the ENTIRE Board were prioritising Harry over the charity beneficiaries, which is against the law. They are obliged to prioritise the aims of the charity. And when challenged on their position realised it was indefensible.

I believe this was also one of her concerns!!

jeffgoldblum · 30/03/2025 23:44

LipglossAlly · 30/03/2025 22:24

A charity stands for more than 10 years without major issues( note that H&M left the RF 5 years ago). The board resign due to concerns over how funds are being handled by this lady and THEN the founders step down from the charity in a public way.

Analysing each of this events chronologically may well lead to think that the issues may be this lady. It is simply something that cannot be excluded.

You are aware the good dr worked for this company for 10 years also? 🙄

Onlyonekenobe · 30/03/2025 23:45

The reality is that this charity was set up - in the UK, to which Prince Seesio has strong and deep, RF-friendly ties - by the Palace machine to give Harry something to do. Something that would make him look good, keep busy, stay out of trouble, reflect well on the family, and play to his strengths (whatever they were at the time - polo, able to relate to children). Harry was the next generation’s Andrew, but had none of Andrew’s ability re the Navy, and even less intellect. Equally arrogant and surly and spoilt, though. Nobody knew then how disloyal Harry would turn out to be, and contemptuous of the RF, the Palace and the people working within it. But that was then.

The whole structure and organization will have been established for Harry to be the figurehead. All the work was done by other people. All of it. All Harry had to do was visit periodically and have his photo taken, play some polo matches so that donors could whitewash / rub shoulders. It’s nothing new. I don’t imagine William reads everything to do with Earthshot, or Catherine with her early years thing. But they both give the impression of having read more than Harry has about Sentebale, and being more hands on. Anyway.

The co-trustees were there to look after the Palace’s investment and interest: guide and advise Harry, make the organisation do the necessary to keep this a viable venture for him, make him and the palace look good. They were all pointing in the same direction: whatever keeps Harry happy keeps him out of trouble, keeps him playing polo, keeps the money coming in. Not loads (god forbid Harry should be the figurehead of mega-money venture), but enough to give credibility. At the founding of a charity, when it’s getting off the ground, those values will have aligned with the charity’s aims.

I don’t know for a fact but I doubt Harry has ever read a financial report; read board minutes; read the founding documents; knows all the key employees.

Twenty years on and Harry’s hand still needs holding, the charity can no longer align itself with Harry’s best interests, and the two are diverting. Had he stayed in the RF, he would have been advised and guided around this situation. The charity may have pivoted but kept him on; he may have handed over the reins; it may have slipped into closing down. But not this. This ugly and unnecessary public divorce is because Harry can’t keep his mouth shut. It’s him pouting and feeling hard done by, publicly, and lashing out. He doesn’t know anything. He’s ignorant of the substance of the matter. So he’s doing all he knows to do: lean on lawyers for advice (the only advisors he has now are ones he has to pay for, and they’ll all be paternalistic in the way they give him advice - penny to a pound they all say it’s like having a child for a client), and use the media.

It’s so unsurprising, all of it. So transparent and plain to see.

glitterturd · 30/03/2025 23:45

@LipglossAlly you keep on saying you are struggling to see the endgame - you don't see anything wrong with an outdated charity which is losing sponsorship ? Surely the endgame is for a new and fitting evolution of the charity to continue on addressing the current challenges for these young people? It's really not difficult.

jeffgoldblum · 30/03/2025 23:48

This is hysterical!!! Such fervent defence! And I see posters bravely appearing that really shouldn’t, if you can’t defend your position without smearing a woman of colour then your position isn’t particularly sound or moral!

jeffgoldblum · 30/03/2025 23:51

LipglossAlly · 30/03/2025 23:00

Again, we do not have enough details to clearly establish what Harry and the board members became aware of. We also do not know exactly what was reported and what not.

Most of us are quite happy with the amount of detail, it seems only you wish it was all swept under the carpet!

glitterturd · 30/03/2025 23:55

Meanwhile Meghan is posting pics of lemon cake stuff as "our family tradition of Mothering Day in the UK" . 😂

elessar · 30/03/2025 23:56

I believe SC, for a number of reasons.

firstly, she’s the one who has stayed put, referred the charity to the CC and is prepared to fight her corner. Harry and the other trustees have run away, despite claiming to have right on their side and being devastated about the impact her actions are having on the charity. They’re slyly briefing the press, and trying to smear her name - for example claiming she was trying to get a large salary signed off. That doesn’t make sense in two fronts - firstly she wasn’t actually being paid, so it’s irrelevant. Secondly because she couldn’t get paid a salary without the other trustees agreeing to it, which clearly would never happen if they didn’t think she deserved it - or indeed that she was actively damaging the charity.

secondly her claims appear to be extremely credible based on the behaviour we’ve seen repeatedly from Harry (and Meghan).

Harry clearly has no idea how to behave in a professional setting. It’s part of the problem with the RF/celebrity model - elevating pretty ordinary people to positions they haven’t earned - so they feel entitled to call themselves CEOs, founders, vice presidents (or other extremely elevated job titles). Harry is too stupid to realise that these titles are honorary only, and that doesn’t automatically grant him actual experience in what it takes to run a business or charity, nor does it put his opinions at the same level as those who have genuinely built up serious management experience over many years. But he seems to feel that his title and position somehow does grant him authority and right to throw his weight around and get involved in decisions he hasn’t got the first clue about.

I’m glad that these issues are finally coming to light and he might actually get some comeuppance for his high handed, bullying and inappropriate behaviour.

I also don’t think SC necessarily is 100% in the clear in regards to her management of the charity - it could well be that she’s wasted a load of money on consultants and hasn’t made the wisest choices.

but the entire thing smacks of Harry having a strop because he’s been told no for a change, and he’s been unable to think beyond the impact on his own ego.

jeffgoldblum · 30/03/2025 23:57

glitterturd · 30/03/2025 23:55

Meanwhile Meghan is posting pics of lemon cake stuff as "our family tradition of Mothering Day in the UK" . 😂

Seriously??!!! 🙄

glitterturd · 30/03/2025 23:59

It's like rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic !

IAmATorturedPoet · 30/03/2025 23:59

glitterturd · 30/03/2025 23:55

Meanwhile Meghan is posting pics of lemon cake stuff as "our family tradition of Mothering Day in the UK" . 😂

You couldn't make it up 😂😂😂

glitterturd · 31/03/2025 00:01

A thing of beauty @jeffgoldblum

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CornishTeaTime · 31/03/2025 00:02

IAmATorturedPoet · 30/03/2025 23:59

You couldn't make it up 😂😂😂

How many Mother's Day's did she have in the UK?

MissRoseDurward · 31/03/2025 00:02

"our family tradition of Mothering Day in the UK" .

What? She had all of one 'Mothering Day' in the UK. How can you have a tradition based on one occasion? And why the sudden harking back to the UK, which she hated?

Edit: No, I'm wrong, she didn't even have one. Archie was born May 2019 and they'd buggered off before Mother's Day 2020. We were in lockdown by then. On the Monday, my local Co-op was giving away all the flowers they hadn't been able to sell.

JandamiHash · 31/03/2025 00:03

Profhilodisaster · 30/03/2025 23:39

He reminds me of one of 'those' parents who defends their bullying child rather than addressing their behaviour. How mortifying that your husband runs to people asking them to say nice things about you.

And, going back to them being working Royals, running to the palace press team asking them to put out statements defending Meghan over minor issues. I never thought of it like this before but it’s very telling how he thinks he a) knows better than the experts and b) should be listened to and obeyed as a layperson.

You’d think he’d heed his beloved gran’s stance to “never complain, never explain” - its a stance that has worked for the RF for decades, and QE2 sustained a 70+ year reign with this stance, so why does Harry think he’s different and special and people NEED to be told what to think of Meghan?

Thinking about the scandals like Sophie and the undercover journalist - we’ve all long forgotten because QE2 was savvy and didn’t string the arse out of any of it. She also consistently employed a very clever PR team. See Harry’s p*ki comment. He got away with a very racist attack because of the palace’s top notch PR teams and the effort to make it a storm in a teacup. So why he thinks he knows better and should be allowed to overrule palace experts I’ll never know.

IAmATorturedPoet · 31/03/2025 00:04

CornishTeaTime · 31/03/2025 00:02

How many Mother's Day's did she have in the UK?

I’d say two at a push!

JandamiHash · 31/03/2025 00:08

IAmATorturedPoet · 31/03/2025 00:04

I’d say two at a push!

Zero as a mother

Archie was born May 2019. They left the UK a week or so before ‘Mothering Day’ in 2020

jeffgoldblum · 31/03/2025 00:12

glitterturd · 31/03/2025 00:01

A thing of beauty @jeffgoldblum

No words at this time!!!!

glitterturd · 31/03/2025 00:13

Maybe she used to role play with Harry

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RandyRedHumpback · 31/03/2025 00:13

Came to say the same as PP. MM never had a "Mothering Sunday" in the UK as a mother herself. So how could she have had a tradition? Or is she saying she and Harry observe UK Mother's Day rather than US Mother's Day, which is in May? Or do they do both?

IAmATorturedPoet · 31/03/2025 00:14

JandamiHash · 31/03/2025 00:08

Zero as a mother

Archie was born May 2019. They left the UK a week or so before ‘Mothering Day’ in 2020

I was being way too generous then 😂

LipglossAlly · 31/03/2025 00:19

Awww do we care about women of colour being smeared and maligned now after 7 years? At least we seem to be moving in the right direction 😀. Not being so surprised at how "articulate" they sound could also help.

Anyway, the whole interview seems nonsensical to me. The elephant in the room was not addressed. It seems a very calculated attempt to divert the attention from a possible mismanagement through a he said, she said vicious circle.

Was she good at her job or not?

Being expected to step down when not meeting the requirements of the job ( in the best case scenario)is not being a bully, it is just life
Were these funds mismanaged or not? We will eventually be provided with an answer to these questions when the time is due.

Looking for alternative founding and moving in a different direction doesn't seem the main issue here (I would also argue that this may prove to be a healthy development in the long run).
On the one hand, we have her complaining of not being satisfied with how things were run (implying that the charity was seen primarily as Harry's ) on the other hand, we have a whole board resigning including the other founder and concerns over her managing the funds. Who to believe? I think a thorough investigation on what went down financially with Santabale is the answer.

I personally believe there is something very fishy with how this is being handled.

Skimpyy · 31/03/2025 00:22

LipglossAlly · 30/03/2025 21:24

I think more details around the concerns they had with her managing the funding and behind the ENTIRE board resigning will eventually come out.

Edited

Well why didnt PH and the resigned board pop up and accept the interview invite to run through the numbers and explain why teh ENTIRE board resigned?

The ball is solely in their court.

Baital · 31/03/2025 00:23

RandyRedHumpback · 31/03/2025 00:13

Came to say the same as PP. MM never had a "Mothering Sunday" in the UK as a mother herself. So how could she have had a tradition? Or is she saying she and Harry observe UK Mother's Day rather than US Mother's Day, which is in May? Or do they do both?

Because she is twice the mother of anyone else, of course!

Even though she didn't seem to know who was putting them to bed when she was away...

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