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Markle's logo is similar to the logo on the back of the crew jackets for Madonna's Blond Ambition tour.

Is there anything original about this woman?

Well before everyone gets on their high horse and starts criticising Harry for something he hasn’t done yet, perhaps we can shelve the negativity until a documentary about his mother does, or does not, come to be made.

Tbh I wouldn’t be averse to a documentary being made to mark the 30th anniversary of Diana’s death. And if anyone were to make it, surely one of her son’s would be the most qualified?

I think her legacy in terms of statues or memorials has been quite poor and let’s say I think the current main players in the RF have done quite a bit to either erase her from memory, or besmirch her reputation.
So it would be refreshing to see a documentary made about her from the perspective of someone who wasn’t trying to do either of those things.

I agree @Endlessdogbowlsandbones
The statue the two brothers unveiled was a travesty, it really didn't capture her.

And I think as far as those that don't toe the line (Diana, Meghan but extraordinarily not Sarah) are written out of the story and heads are stuck in the sand.

I’ve thought a few times about Harry’s relationship with his niece and nephews. George would be 6, Charlotte 4 and Louis 1 when they buggered off on their “freedom flight”. It seemed that he had a good bond with them - does he just not give a shit about them? About the impact he is having on their lives in London, where he sets of bombs amongst the family whilst hiding away in a Montecito mansion?

My opinion: he resented the lot of them because they bumped him down the line of succession. That line is REALLY important to him.The fact his auto-lie-ography is called “Spare” - ie directly references the line of succession - show this.Honestly I’m half expecting him to do what his ancestors he couldn’t be arsed learning about did before him, and ride into England on a horse with his army to duel with his brother. Which, if you look at it, is what he’s kind of doing - but instead of swords his weapon is social media, and instead of soldiers he’s got bully Sussex Squad

There was a very nice 20 year documentary the princes took part in.

Why do the RF have to keep her memory alive? She wasn’t a member of the RF on her death. Not to mention she also tried to destroy them at the expense of her sons.

And if Harry just so happens to be paid millions for it? ……

Disgusting

I long remember various posts from people assuring us all vehemently that obviously h and m would definitely not lower themselves to do the Oprah tv show, definitely not , just awful rumours by racist haters!

then well it was a one off , but they definitely won’t do a tell all on Netflix, just awful rumours again!

no Harry definitely won’t write a book revealing his family’s private lives, riddled with lies and misinformation!

so now 🤷‍♀️ , I’m assuming it’s true until it’s not , and no benefit of doubt given after the last five years of things that won’t happen.

I too remember those posts @jeffgoldblum and even some of the posters’ names.

Harry was 12 when his mother died. He was at boarding school much of the time or at Balmoral /Sandringham etc so didn’t actually spend huge amounts of time with her. His memory as he admits himself is very patchy and unreliable. I don’t think he would be the best person. Perhaps he would bring his Uncle and Aunts into it because his brother will certainly not cooperate.

Princess Diana is a notable figure in the recent history of the royal family. If not Netflix then I’m sure other agencies would be interested in producing their own commemorative program… will permission from family be needed to produce such programs? I would view a documentary by PH very differently if all the proceeds went directly to charities championed by Princess Diana, and if he was only involved in making something respectful about her, without using it to be snide about unrelated events after her death.

Honestly Diana needs to be laid to rest and her legacy left intact, all Harry is doing by constantly invoking her name, is cheapening it and airing all the unsavoury things that should have been left in dustballs .
we don’t need constant reminders .

We live in a very different world from 30 years ago. Diana was almost treated like a saint whereas if we had the same scenario today it would be seen as unwholesome by some but more accepted. Divorce and affairs were shocking then to many whereas they are par for the course in normal lives now and yes the Royals are normal in those respects. It's happened in most of the European Royal families too. Accordingly there is a great deal of sentimentality attached to Diana. To do a commemoration programme now would be a mistake I believe. Life has moved on. There are a generation or two who know very little about her . Yes Diana made some " firsts" for the Royal Family but there is a great deal of murkiness associated with her too. Would Harry do this for money? I believe he probably would . Would Meghan be happy about it ? Not so sure - bucks versus not being in the limelight. Who knows.

@JandamiHash people who are so absorbed in their own self do this and sadly it is more common in males. You only have to read the relationship board here. Harry is obsessed with his perception of his own unhappiness and everything else is subjected to that. Stories are rewritten and things are twisted to fit his script.

Any publicity is good publicity? I'm seeing that Gwyneth Paltrow now is being accused of having a dig at Meghan now in a clip of her making breakfast with a monogrammed mug , dog, packet mix cookies . Who is copying who?

What else is there that we need to know about Diana? The only way he can add to what is already out there is to invade her and other family members privacy (and of course Netflix would be salivating over that prospect). He would be very stupid indeed to go down that road, but as we saw with Spare he has no respect for others privacy so if the price is right he’d probably do it. The fall out will of course be someone else’s fault.

Let the woman rest.

I thought when the 20th Anniversary Diana documentary was released that William and Harry made a pact not to discuss her again. I mean Harry has already broken that, but a new documentary would really stick the knife in.

I agree that the statue is really awful, but I really like the playground and fountain. Is there a statue of QEII? I think she needs a memorial before anymore Diana memorials.

Yes I also recall that .
Clearly Harry’s recollections vary ….

I would too, but I just can't see that happening. The money will pass through Archwell and disappear.

It would also need to be made with William's blessing and I can't see that happening.

I still remember sitting in the pub one lunchtime with a bunch of rugby players and their supporters, the conversations were mostly about will carlings affair with Diana ! Occasionally sympathetic comments about his wife Julia popped up but the rest was the bawdy comments you would expect ( which I won’t mention) , had Diana lived , I doubt her legacy would be that sainted!
some things are best left in the past and not continually dredged up .

@IAmATorturedPoet the price is right ? 😂 yes or Deal or no Deal?

I remember the Will Carling/Diana headlines and conversations too @jeffgoldblum

Is there likely to be a multi million pound payday for a documentary on someone who died a third of a century ago and whose life has been pored over forensically ever since?

Diana is fading into history now. I'm not convinced this will be the money spinner Harold might anticipate.

Also. The anniversary is two and a half years away. Can't see NF keeping him in juggling balls for that long given the poor quality of recent output just on the off-chance such a thing might be a success and no-one else is going to sign him up until nearer the time.

Sounds like yet another poorly thought through 'bright' idea to me.

I think her legacy in terms of statues or memorials has been quite poor and let’s say I think the current main players in the RF have done quite a bit to either erase her from memory, or besmirch her reputation.
So it would be refreshing to see a documentary made about her from the perspective of someone who wasn’t trying to do either of those things.

I disagree with this - perhaps not surprising! - but I thought it worth listing the memorials to Diana in various forms since her death that the Royal Family has sanctioned.

The very visible ones, all in Hyde Park/Kensington Palace Gardens which are Royal Parks and who therefore needed Palace consent for their on plans:

Diana Memorial Fountain (the first memorial and opened by QEII with Charles, William and Harry also there)
Diana Memorial Playground
Diana Memorial Walk
Diana Memorial Garden
Diana Memorial Statue

In Kensington Palace, Diana’s former home, a special wallpaper was commissioned to be used in the public areas, featuring pictures from Diana’s life. The annual exhibitions there have almost always featured Diana in some way or another: “Diana: her fashion story” was featured for many years, they have also had “Diana: glimpses of a modern princess”, and they have exhibited her wedding dress before and they generally items from her clothing collection on display.

Then there’s the more subtle: Kate has been lent several pieces of jewellery that were very associated with her late mother in law, most obviously the Cambridge Lover’s Knot tiara and Queen Mary’s emerald choker. Harry and William spoke to the BBC for their documentary to mark Diana’s death.

I’m not sure what else you are looking for in terms of royal family-supported memorials? Because I think the above demonstrates that the current “main layers” in the Royal family were very sensitive to the importance of respecting her memory and the public’s interest in her.

And just by way of contrast, Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother - also the mother of a monarch, and in her day wildly popular plus a wartime leader - has one statue, which was added to an already existing statue of her husband, George VI.

I can’t cut and paste a small piece of text on the new app anymore!
so as the bit that @Serensterused is the bit I wanted to use , please see that post ( many thanks @serenster!)

the royal family have not uttered one word about Diana past or present.
to say they have besmirched her memory is so completely untrue I have no words to actually describe how untrue it is.
always use facts when you attempt to defend Harry or Meghan otherwise it just makes your arguments seem completely invalid.

Yep, and it's not so long ago either, remember people being slated for suggesting they would do a reality show, which is exactly what they did.

So i don't doubt there is some truth to the rumours of Harry doing a tell all about his dead mother.