If Harry still lived in the UK , do you think the feud would have been sorted by now?

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I do feel the biggest hurdle between Harry and his family is that he lives in another country, I think if he lived in the UK there would be more opportunity for them to sort it out

Well, it's the clarity of thought about the RF. Support the institution and accept the advantages and disadvantages.

Or reject it - again both the advantages as well as disadvantages.

I can completely understand why H&M decided that they wanted out (though it was on them that they initially chose to be working royals and 'hit the ground running ').

What has been weird is their hanging onto titles, the RF references in their daughter's name, the faux royal tours etc while also claiming that being 'royal' almost destroyed them.

I agree, so hypocritical.

I think that's the main issue when their super fans say 'other people do the same'.

They are unusual in complaining about the disadvantages while refusing to acknowledge the advantages they have received.

Yes, none of the others have done the same. They haven't stooped so low as to monetise loved ones' privacy, or made a career out of moaning about their misfortunes.

Its also the tone of it all - its all so histrionic, hyper dramatic and vexatious in order IMHO to manipulate/trigger others and win sympathy against the other party.

Neither are emotionally mature enough to calmly sit down and negotiate a different path after agreeing things arent compatible - instead entitled, grandiose and delusional demands through a unilateral public announcement - and then an epic flounce followed by indignant narc rage and one sided vexatious global media smear campaign that has lasted years.

I do think that Diana had a bit of this reckless rage and spite about her - and PH either has some of that in him or sensed that familiar energy bonding with MM. I dont think Diana considered the excrutiating shame/hurt she unleashed on her teenage sons with her interview about infidelities - I think she put her own impulses / compulsion to speak out above her childrens emotional needs.

Must be exhausting for them.

That's a shame. I'm lucky that my family are very open and liberal.

Diana died on a Sunday morning. The boys stayed out of the way, up at Balmoral, presumably being supported and protected, until the next Friday afternoon.

Meanwhile some members of the press and public behaved appallingly.
On the Friday afternoon the boys looked at some of the flowers for a little time, while Prince Philip kept his temper with a total prat who told him to look after the boys.
The funeral was the next day, six days after Diana's death.

If any people ever again type the word 'forced' about that walk, I hope their fingers drop off while they're typing. If anyone ever again speaks the word 'forced' in relation to that walk I hope he or she is struck dumb for a year.

Not a shame at all. Normal family conversation. It’s a shame your family are so buttoned up and scared of giving offense where there is none.

@MiserableMrsMopp are you seriously telling me you’d go NC with anyone who said “I wonder if the baby will be pale or olive skinned?” Or “I wonder if baby will have more mum or dad’s skin tone”?

Hahahaha, buttoned up. I'd like them to be a bit more buttoned up. They're more full-throttle.

When the Queen died, and we watched Princess Anne accompany her mother's coffin all the way from Scotland to London, it struck me that maybe that walk behind Diana's coffin can be viewed as the significant males in her life (sons, brother, former husband and father-in-law) paying their respects and shepherding her to her funeral - as if they didn't want her to make that journey in front of millions of people (including TV audiences) alone.
I think I prefer to think of it in that way.

Yes it’s the simultaneous “being in the royal family nearly killed us literally” and also “I want to cling on to the titles bestowed by the institution that nearly killed us”.

I have said for a long time that I think Meghan didn’t have the first clue about the RF, that she perhaps thought it was like Hollywood, the Kardashians and came with fakery. The fact she was floored by the fact the royals curtsy in privacy shows that. And Harold was too reluctant to tell her the truth because she might scarper like his other GFs. But then I also think she learned quickly and thought she’d marry in and shake things up with a little Hollywood glitter. When she realised she wasn’t allowed, she didn’t like it at all. It’s not like the Kardashians where the most glamorous or likeable family members win out - they’re literally fourth in a pecking order and that wasn’t good enough for MM and subsequently Dumbo Harry was convinced he’d been given a rough hand in life

Yes when people talk about what a great mum she is I just don’t agree - how could she do that to her sons! My 11yo doesn’t even like me singing in the supermarket. I can’t imagine what she’d do if I did an interview talking about everything terrible in my marriage to her dad

Yet they would be hyper offended at talk of what a baby would look like?

It wouldn't occur to them to be worried about skin colour. Scrape at the bottom of that barrel all you like. The sediment you seek isn't there.

And you (or we) don't know they even were concerned about his skin colour. The concern, if there was any, could well have been about how the media might portray things and that H&M ought to prepare themselves for a strategy on that.

And she had also packed them both off to boarding school at 7 years old and had her first affair (of 6?) before Harry's second birthday. IMHO she could have spent more time with her boys.

Not understanding the Harry and non contact, it is not Harry that has gone Non contact, the opposite in that he has always stressed he wants a relationship, that he loves his family. He used Invictus to state he wants reconciliation. He even removed the need for an apology. It's his actions that have led to his father keeping the relationship low contact and his brother seemingly wanting very little to do with him. Before they flounced when they believed the half in half out was in the bag it was all about continuing to work with his family. The anger came when he was told no. Harry had the right to tell his side of the story with his emotional facts as important as objective facts, equally his family have the right to never trust him again.

Nobody is talking about being “worried” about skin colour. It’s just a conversation.To make an assumption that talks of skin colour are automatically talks steeped in worry, that says a lot more about out you than anyone else

Yep, the absolute nerve of her to say “There were 3 people in this marriage” was shocking. And the rest, Diana. I don’t think Julia Carling thinks there was only 3 of you in your marriage

MM was very specific in her choice of words in the OW interview - she said there were "concerns" about Archies skin colour and that this would mean he wouldnt have a title or security.

Seems she was conflating, embellishing and inferring from two different conversations which occurred at two different times of which she ws not part.

Emotional facts aren’t as important as objective facts though. Not even close

What do the RF even need to apologise for? Hes absolutely crackers to think he’s owed an apology

Think he has inferred that something happened at The Sandringham Summit that threatened or offended MM that required an apology (but he has subsequently dropped this requirement).

I was bizarre that he seemed to be expecting / seeking reconcilation once he had published Spare - like he had got it off his chest was feeling better and was happy to shake hands - but he had zero empathy of the impact that had just landed on his family. By then Spare was the 3rd major proactive global media onslaught after OW and NF docuseries in under 2 years from H&M each shadowing the death of PP, QE2 and the coronation of KC3. After such a long reign for QE2's end to be polluted by the petty but cruel antics of H&M was unacceptable for many.

I didn’t read Spare but I’ve seen lots of excerpts and it reads like the Sussex Squad wrote fan fiction. So much bullshit and random anecdotes like “William stank of booze on the day of his wedding”. I highly doubt that - Harry looked hungover however.

I also remember someone posted on MN that when he was dating Meghan in secret they couldn’t go to the supermarket together because there’d “literally be a riot” 😂😂 totally deluded. He’s had GFs before and no rioting happened then. He really thinks people give a shit what he does to the point they’d turn violent. Put a hat on and STFU you silly prick

I think it's a moot question.

We don't have a "sliding doors" machine to look at potential outcomes.

Based on what has occurred based on H&M's many public statements/interviews/books I think they would either be naive to think reconciliation would be easily attainable or be utterly disinterested in attaining it.

I don't think geography has a significant impact in any respect other than the fact H&M used their "re-location" to legitimise their attacks on his family and the UK after being told they can't make milk their royal status to gain (more) private wealth.

Let us again remember they wanted to remain Royal (status, payouts from the Duchy, Security etc) in every respect apart from doing any royal duties they couldn't monetise.

This "feud" is of their making. They raised the stakes at every possible opportunity, prompting possibly the most memorable line from the Palace ever in "recollections may vary".

I can't see how anything will change sadly.

How can anyone in the RF even have a single conversation with either of them without concern it's just fodder for their next money making grift given the utter absence of any self reflection on H's part in particular.