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As Ever Part 7 - Whatever, however, whenever with edible flowers on top

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TheWayTheLightFalls · 07/03/2025 13:14

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ThePoshUns · 11/03/2025 07:38

I think deadweight is a good description of Harry, he doesn't seem to be making much of an effort to make a living, no wonder MM is flitting from project to project as it does seem to be falling on her shoulders. I do have a tiny bit of sympathy for her being married to a man child. But she made her (well planned out) choice.

RevolutionaryMode · 11/03/2025 07:38

It depends. If you want to surf on your own then it’s expensive (by my standards, as I’m far from rich) but if you share a wave with a group it can be reasonable I’m told.

MayaKovskaya · 11/03/2025 07:39

ThePoshUns · 11/03/2025 07:38

I think deadweight is a good description of Harry, he doesn't seem to be making much of an effort to make a living, no wonder MM is flitting from project to project as it does seem to be falling on her shoulders. I do have a tiny bit of sympathy for her being married to a man child. But she made her (well planned out) choice.

It's lucky that the RF gave him Invictus. What would he be without that?

smilesy · 11/03/2025 07:57

RevolutionaryMode · 11/03/2025 07:06

‘Fake lake type set up.’

That’s a wave pool.

Wave pools allow landlocked surfers to ride perfect, ocean-like barrels 365 days a year

Kelly Slater (world champion surfer you decades) owns more than one. Waves can vary in size etc. It’s great idea, even if you live by the surf because on days when surf isn’t good you can still surf. Surfers are usually extremely fit.

I think the point the poster was making is that Harry doesn’t really do anything with his time that seems like actual adult work. I don’t think they were being disparaging about surfing or wave pools. Or that surfers aren’t fit. Not sure why you have homed in on this

LovelyJubly12 · 11/03/2025 08:21

smilesy · 11/03/2025 07:57

I think the point the poster was making is that Harry doesn’t really do anything with his time that seems like actual adult work. I don’t think they were being disparaging about surfing or wave pools. Or that surfers aren’t fit. Not sure why you have homed in on this

Yes thank you. Ignore the wave pool comment if you like. It’s just a general impression that he plays at life from a very privileged position.

glitterturd · 11/03/2025 08:58

"Harry is the bait to bring in money but, other than that, Meghan is dragging him round like a deadweight. I think the two reasons they didn't shoot at their own house are a) it's big but it's dated and not that well-kept, and b) Harry's deadbeat presence would belie Meghan's image of perfection."

It really is the strangest of things - she may as well say " I don't consider my house the right fit for this " so yet again the views, the orchards, the house - it what she wants her life to be like and not the one she has. Of course it could be for privacy but I thought she wanted to show her authenticity and how lovely she is really?

All the bit in episode one where she and the make up artist are sharing a smug little insiders joke about the cake and how it looks ordinary from the outside but is so special inside - can't recall the exact words , the joke went on for ages- it is obvious that this is supposed to be about her. It seems she truly believes this shit. To my eyes she's appearing to have a dig at the public as well with this kind of thing. It was like the eye roll and the " my jam is jam". You can tell she reads all the criticisms and she hits back with some witty in her eyes little dig. She is the Queen of Hell Hath No Fury but a Woman Scorned.

Itsalwaysfools · 11/03/2025 09:25

glitterturd · 11/03/2025 08:58

"Harry is the bait to bring in money but, other than that, Meghan is dragging him round like a deadweight. I think the two reasons they didn't shoot at their own house are a) it's big but it's dated and not that well-kept, and b) Harry's deadbeat presence would belie Meghan's image of perfection."

It really is the strangest of things - she may as well say " I don't consider my house the right fit for this " so yet again the views, the orchards, the house - it what she wants her life to be like and not the one she has. Of course it could be for privacy but I thought she wanted to show her authenticity and how lovely she is really?

All the bit in episode one where she and the make up artist are sharing a smug little insiders joke about the cake and how it looks ordinary from the outside but is so special inside - can't recall the exact words , the joke went on for ages- it is obvious that this is supposed to be about her. It seems she truly believes this shit. To my eyes she's appearing to have a dig at the public as well with this kind of thing. It was like the eye roll and the " my jam is jam". You can tell she reads all the criticisms and she hits back with some witty in her eyes little dig. She is the Queen of Hell Hath No Fury but a Woman Scorned.

It's more likely to be around privacy and security.

JSMill · 11/03/2025 09:32

ThePoshUns · 11/03/2025 07:05

I saw a clip of the Drew B interview where MM is talking about being away from the kids and recording herself reading a story that she says 'whoever is putting , then corrects herself when Poppa is putting the kids to bed can play it to them' I don't get the impression he does much of the real work.

Whoever is putting I can't help infer from that there isn't a consistent person with them if their parents aren't there. Her hasty addition on 'papa' is clearly an attempt to make him look like an involved dad and if she feels the need to do that, then he isn't. Plus what's with the 'mama and papa' crap. These kids are being raised in the USA in the 21st century.

FarmerDramaLlama · 11/03/2025 09:33

I thought when they moved to LA he was going to get a job with some big company?

LovelyJubly12 · 11/03/2025 09:35

JSMill · 11/03/2025 09:32

Whoever is putting I can't help infer from that there isn't a consistent person with them if their parents aren't there. Her hasty addition on 'papa' is clearly an attempt to make him look like an involved dad and if she feels the need to do that, then he isn't. Plus what's with the 'mama and papa' crap. These kids are being raised in the USA in the 21st century.

That’s what the Royals call their parents I think. So along with titles, she’s clinging onto that too.

Baital · 11/03/2025 09:39

I think Harry calls Charles 'Pa'?

On the occasions they ate on speaking terms!

JSMill · 11/03/2025 09:43

@LovelyJubly12 exactly.
@Baital yes he does. I remember when Charles walked M up the aisle, H said 'thanks pa'. I'm pretty sure H and W called Diana 'mummy' not mama. How pathetic to not even be authentic with your own dcs.

Weepixie · 11/03/2025 09:58

JandamiHash · 10/03/2025 19:30

I think a whole heap of credit needs to go to the Palace’s press team in all this. They REALLY pulled off Harry being a Cheeky Chappy Prince didn’t they - concealing the fact he’s a nasty, lying self pitying dimwit (and I think he always has been it was just surpressed by a hard working team) with all the negative attributes of his mother and none of the kindness and charm. Diana was unhinged, and melodramatic, and petty, and a hypocrite- all traits that Harry possesses…but she was also a wonderful philanthropist who actually made visible changes in the world, she was charming and charismatic and relatable. He has none of those traits. I think he thought he met a Diana 2.0 in Meghan but sadly they are very similar people. They’re best of out of it. We don’t want them back

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I was just thinking the other day that they really had done a sterling job of whitewashing his antics. His drug taking for example. I’m horrified by it truth be told. Our cheeky chappy was on drugs🙈

Weepixie · 11/03/2025 10:02

Baital · 11/03/2025 09:39

I think Harry calls Charles 'Pa'?

On the occasions they ate on speaking terms!

They call him Papa but I suspect it’s changed to Pa the older they’ve got. I’ve always been Mama but now my children are all parents themselves there are times I’m called Ma. I like it though because Ma is very Scottish.

JADS · 11/03/2025 10:16

The thing with Harry partying was that it was much more common in the early 2000s than now. Drugs were and still are widely available. I don't think what he was doing was particularly abnormal amongst Harry's set, but he did it a lot and wasn't very discrete about it. Harry was also in the Army so really shouldn't have been doing that kind of thing.

One thing I've never quite understood is the fan waving of Harry's racist comments. They were just as bad as anything Prince Phillip said and yet, PP is a horrible old racist and H is a heroic figure. Nah, I don't buy it.

If you look at early interviews, he comes across as jokey, but also arrogant and prickly whereas William is much more poised and guarded. It's very easy to paint Harry as the fun one and William as the boring one, but William I think was always playing the long game (rather like Diana was).

Who Harry is has always been hiding in plain sight, but he got away with it because he was a little boy at his mum's funeral.

(Another thing I have ideally wondered is if William had not had a growth spurt whether he would get the same sympathy as Harry. He was only just 15, yet he looked older. It's just a thought though)

BasiliskStare · 11/03/2025 10:36

I've just listened to Marina Hyde on her ( with Richard Osman ) podcast "And the Rest is Entertainment." They didn't like WLM ( and to be fair they were pretty open-minded with the trailer) . Marina said that in this case controversy has not translated into viewing figures unfortunately for Meghan . When they they reviewed the trailer she said things can get high viewing figures through "hate watching" Now by this, she was not meaning people who "hate " Meghan. Apparently this is a well known term for people who will watch something controversial because they like to be part of a conversation , even if it's a negative one and even if it's a so bad it's good type of thing - she referenced Emily in Paris which she said no-one admits to liking but the viewing is such it keeps being renewed. She thought it was not out of the question Meghan might be given something but she thinks if she does what she won't get is the sort of mega-deal / freedom to produce what they want deal which they had here - it will be much more Meghan having a boss rather than a collaboration and on a reduced scale.
Richard Osman couldn't get through the first episode 😂

Just in case of interest . I really enjoy this podcast - they know whereof they speak and it's very entertaining.

Weepixie · 11/03/2025 10:42

Hi Jads, the thought of using drugs horrifies me and I just won’t condone it or normalise under any circumstance. It may be my age, I don’t know really, but I was a young teenager in the days when drugs were what people did in London and if we did see anyone in our area who was said to use drugs we’d run away from them because we were afraid of them. Then when I wasn’t even 20 I moved abroad to a country where they weren’t really known in society for about another 20 years. I’ve been lucky they’ve never been part of my life or the life of my extended family and I hope it stays that way.

His racism? Im married to someone who’s what he referred to as a raghead. My children and grandchildren are what he referred to as ragheads and it was when he used the phrase that I started to question who and what he is. My eyes have been open ever since.

Words · 11/03/2025 11:15

That's a very sensible stance on the drugs issue wee pixie. I would agree with Jads though that this was far from uncommon especially in public school circles in the 80s 90s and early 00s. Most usually matured out of it.

The racist language was awful. He also insulted a man under his command in a similar vein.

Going back to the 'cooking' for a second. Haven't we all boiled and drained pasta, put it back in the pan, added stuff and stirred to mix it up? Why is this such a revelation?

I haven't actually watched it properly bar clips and reviews yet as it sounds such a yawn-fest. Even the usual ascerbic commentators on YouTube can't make it sound funny. So not even in the so bad it's good category.

GailPlattsDeadHusband · 11/03/2025 11:45

I just checked netflix and WLM isn't on the top ten for UK, USA, Global, Canada or Nigeria.

I think the highest she got to in the UK was sixth for one day?

sammylady37 · 11/03/2025 11:54

JSMill · 11/03/2025 09:43

@LovelyJubly12 exactly.
@Baital yes he does. I remember when Charles walked M up the aisle, H said 'thanks pa'. I'm pretty sure H and W called Diana 'mummy' not mama. How pathetic to not even be authentic with your own dcs.

She’s ’Mama’ when making ‘Mama’s meals’, but on the note shown from Harry and the kids she was ‘Mumma’ (perhaps Mummy, I can’t recall exactly but not Mama) and on Oprah she said the most important title she’d ever have was ‘Mom’. The many identities of Meghan!

wordler · 11/03/2025 12:44

JSMill · 11/03/2025 09:32

Whoever is putting I can't help infer from that there isn't a consistent person with them if their parents aren't there. Her hasty addition on 'papa' is clearly an attempt to make him look like an involved dad and if she feels the need to do that, then he isn't. Plus what's with the 'mama and papa' crap. These kids are being raised in the USA in the 21st century.

It’s likely to be the American pronunciation of Mama and Papa not the posh UK Mam-ar and Pap-ar.

My US family uses Mama and Papa (the American way) - it’s more like mamma and pappa.

Weepixie · 11/03/2025 12:53

It’s the posh version Harry uses with the King but only because I’ve heard the Wales children use it with Prince William.

MidnightTales · 11/03/2025 13:00

Warning: long post.

I was thinking today, what is it that irritates me about Meghan Markle? So here is my essay on some of the things, but all essentially around her “showing-offness”. She’s a show off. It is a long post, I warn you, so please indulge me if you can; I enjoyed writing it and it feels good to get my thoughts on it off my chest.:-)

So, here goes, where she continually shows off on so many things:

  1. Her looks obviously. Harry apparently called her good looks “heartstopping”. She is always drawing attention to her looks eg. her hair, and her arms. Never misses an opportunity to display bare arms and back even at the most formal and conservative engagements, including when visiting Nigeria (the President’s wife wasn’t impressed) and at a funeral. She can’t help being attractive (well with some help: plastic surgery, veneers and hair extensions etc) and I don’t think beautiful people should hide their light under a bushel, but she seems to need to somehow stick it forcefully into people’s faces all the time. Though of course she’s rich and hitched now so she doesn’t have to bother so much with the sexy look and can even afford to look rather unglamerous. By comparison Kate is also very attractive but she doesn’t go round forcing it on people, IYKWIM. PS. I’m not a royalist particularly but my goodness didn’t Kate look absolutely stunning in that red outfit yesterday?
  1. Her actress role in Suits. A minor part where she basically played herself, as always, but you’d think she was Judy Garland or Meryl Streep. Most of the time before that she was pretty much unemployed as an actress and this was also pre the Tig. People never comment on that. What did she do with her days
  2. Clothes. Showing off in terms of fashion and clothes. There’s nothing wrong in wearing beautiful clothes, but again it’s the sense that you get that she’s showing off, not just wearing beautiful clothes for their own sake. I actually think she does wear some stylish clothes on occasion, but many other times she shows no sense of fashion whatsoever. I know I keep going on about that beige two-piece beige jumper twin set that she wore on her latest series - but to me they were truly hideous, I can’t get over it! 😂 Clothes can be a way of showing off money and status and looks, and for MM I think it’s been pretty much that way since the Tig (though more pencil skirts, stilettos then). I think narcissists generally dress for status, rather than any inherent style or beauty.
  3. Caring, sharing. Again this all feels done for show, showing off again eg. turning up at the Californian fires and the Billy T-shirt business. Most kind people tend to just get on with it without constantly looking for acknowledgement and credit and special treatment and attention. A previous poster on here made the point that Californians can be rather gushing and OTT, but I can’t think of any American celebrity who goes on about themselves to this extent in public. Could be I am missing the cultural nuances here, and it’s more socially acceptable in the states to “brag”. If she had even stuck to one caring issue and truly tried to make a difference there, you could take her more seriously.
  4. Her relationships with family and friends. Again always gushing and bragging about how great all her friends are, how great Harry is, how great family life is, how great it is being a “mamma”, how she “ brings the boys to the yard“, ick. Yada yada. Why does she assume revealing these personal matters would be of interest to people ? Though I do agree with her stance of keeping her children out of the public eye.
  5. Money and wealth and status. Even at the most trivial level of making sure she gets her expensive jewellery in any photo shot. Her financial and other demands around her wedding were telling; one of the most expensive, if not the most expensive, in royal history.
  6. Cooking ability. Apparently, she is a great cook and hostess. Because she is good at everything of course. But another time she said she never really cooked in Canada, just ate chicken salads and stuff like that. Love it that her cooking show is full of things like doughnuts, biscuit mixes, cakes, focaccia bread, pasta: what are the odds that she eats any of this kind of food, ever?! Still there’s always a bit of fruit or a salad ladybird 🐞 in the fridge if it gets too much. No wonder Harry makes himself a bacon sandwich in desperation now and again…
  7. Her title. “I’m a Sussex now don’t you know, and I’d appreciate that if you remembered my new title when addressing me” - to her “friend”. Haha.
  8. Feminism and activism. There’s that letter she wrote to Proctor and Gamble, never forget. What an examplary revolutionary she is - though that’s been dropped more or less as she failed in her Democratic political ambitions and instead embraced “rich Californian wife with a side hustle” identity. Pre-Harry she was some kind of minor representative for UN feminism. Hence that was the time when she was constantly banging on about increased female “political representation” in a Third World country where so many of the male population had been killed in a war. How dim, and how desperately insensitive to those people. Anyway, according to Tom Bowles she did most of this to raise her profile, following the example of other actresses at the time. She also allegedly angrily bowed out when she wasn’t then promoted in the UN hierarchy as she felt she should (a regular theme here?).
  9. Animal rights activist. Something about chickens, I vaguely remember, though it’s a bit of a blur. That said, the only truly positive story I remember reading about her in Tom Bowles’ book was her alleged fury at seeing a parrot in a cage in a windowless hotel corridor and demanding to move to a different (expensive) hotel as a result. Kudos to her, if that story is true.

Journalist Camilla Tominey once wrote an article in The Times about her which was truly brilliant. It was just after Covid when Meghan Markle released a video from her California mansion throne encouraging women to get back to work (!). The gist of the article was that Meghan Markle had got where she was simply through her ability as a seductress to snag a rich man - a story as old as the hills. And what she should do about it is shut up and keep quiet about her good fortune, rather than lecturing and patronising 99.9999999999 % of the female population (who are not in a position to marry a rich prince) with her out of touch (make friends with your local bee keeper!) advice and various bragging and hectorings on what to do, what to think, and how to live their lives.

Maybe one day MM will mature; after all people’s identities can change throughout their lives (maiden, mother, crone). Look at Germaine Greer’s various reincarnations since the 60s. However, there is usually a thread of consistency with most people in terms of who they are deep down. But I think MM’s life has been so focused on the fake, the superficial and all that glitters, it’s so shored up with protecting her status and image, it’s probably unlikely and we will never see her authentic self, despite her constant assertions.

MayaKovskaya · 11/03/2025 13:07

sammylady37 · 11/03/2025 11:54

She’s ’Mama’ when making ‘Mama’s meals’, but on the note shown from Harry and the kids she was ‘Mumma’ (perhaps Mummy, I can’t recall exactly but not Mama) and on Oprah she said the most important title she’d ever have was ‘Mom’. The many identities of Meghan!

....and Her Royal Highness to everyone else! Remember to curtsey.

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