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Meghan’s show IS something new and different.

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AtIusvue · 06/03/2025 13:08

So we have it wrong. THIS IS an entirely new format for a cookery/lifestyle show. Because it isn’t a cookery/lifestyle show. This is Netflix first foray into the world of informercials and they are doing it in NF style; meaning a big budget and a slight twist.

So With Love, Meghan is a 5hr advert for As ever and Meghan Sussex. But what makes it different; is it has been disguised as a lifestyle show and there’s no direct sales. It’s the soft sell…..very beige and subtle.

So every recipe and story Meghan shares, is designed around an As ever product. Even conversations with friends are designed to either sell Meghan or a product.

For example. In Ep 8, she makes shortbread with edible flowers. A packet mix of shortbread with edible flowers is now on the As ever website. Now on the show, we don’t see her open the box. But what we do see, is her giving a very quick run through of a basic dough recipe and then tell the viewer they can just use shop bought. The majority of the time isn’t spent in the baking, it’s spent on the decorating with edible flowers.
This is by design. All the baked goods she’s shows you on the programme, she says things like ‘I don’t enjoy baking’, ‘I’ve never made doughnuts before’, ‘ I only learned last week to make focaccia’ ‘I don’t like measuring’
So while viewers who are expecting to watch a cookery show, are flummoxed by someone with such little baking skills teaching us- it’s because it’s an advert and she’s selling the idea that the baking part isn’t important. So when the As ever baked goods mixes appear after the advert goes out, people will want to buy. Because they know that even Meghan doesn’t like baking. That it’s ok to skip that part, and focus on the decorating and gifting part.

This is soft selling infomercials. It’s a Netflix/QVC hybrid. She is directly selling you the idea and lifestyle, but softly selling you the products. You find out what these products are, after the show.

More examples-
Ep 1 where she makes an Epsom salt bath mix (As ever TM pending). The honey and ginger tea she shares with her friend Daniel is on the As ever website. Teapots are also intended to be sold. The raspberry jam that she uses in the cake she bakes (which again, is a very basic mix and she runs through quickly- because we know she wants to sell packets of the stuff) is now available in the website. As is the honey she used for the cake syrup.

So Ep 2, where we see Meghan make kids party bags. Included are kids gardening tools (which is under the As ever TM application) a honey stick (TM application ) and plant pots (TM application)

Everything is for sale. When in Ep. 7 Meghan puts shop bought croissants in a basket and decants jam into little ramekins, a quick look at the TM application confirms that these are all items she intends to sell under As ever.

How does the soft sell look?

Take for example the jam on the show. The label isn’t on the jar, so it’s not directly selling the brand, As ever. But it’s the same jar shape and we know that it’s raspberry because the cake is decorated with fresh raspberries on top, indicating the jam used. Or the crepe are served with the jam and fresh raspberry’s. It’s all very subtle. The raspeberry jam product then drops straight after the show.

The stories she shares are designed to sell too. For example; her memory of her gran making apple butter- she has fruit butters under her TM application.

Even conversations with friends are designed to sell not only Meghan (how wonderful she is) but they are designed to introduce products in the As ever line. So in Ep 5 we see Meghan’s friends Kelly and Abby discuss Meghans love of spicy condiments - these are under the As ever TM application. We also see Abby discuss Meghans love of flowers and how she helped her in her floral business. From the TM application, you can see it is As Ever’s intention to sell fresh flowers and plants. It’s also why we are given floral demonstrations with ‘supermarket’ flowers.

Conversations with her friend Vicky too in Ep 7, about how Meghan loves a polished skin look, while making face masks- again, we see As ever intends to sell non medicated skin products from the TM application.

The show is a practical demonstration of how to use her products, but the products are released after the advert. When you cross ref the TM application items with what was seen on screen, you see clearly that everything is designed for a sale. Crockery, candles,baskets, wrapping paper, jam etc.

Another tell that this is an infomercial hybrid, is the fact that they have said more As ever items will be released seasonally. Why? What’s seasonal about honey and ginger tea and crepe mix that it’s to come out in spring? These are store cupboard items, not seasonal products.
What they actually mean is, when a new advert comes out, new products will be introduced and added to the collection.

This is why all the press reviews for the show mean nothing. NF won’t care that’s it’s ridiculed. We have all just watched the advert they wanted us to watch. What they want is for it to translate into sales for As ever. It really doesn’t matter how much critical acclaim the show gets, as it’s just a vehicle for the products.
Additionally, we know from the TM application that As ever wants to enter the podcast world. So her new podcast will be in furtherance to the brand and selling the products. But again, it will be a soft sell, not direct.

So it IS a completely new style of cooking show. It goes beyond product placement but isn’t direct selling. I think meghan and NF think they have been very clever. At some point everyone will figure out these are just adverts and work out that every recipe, conversation and story, is linked to an item that you can buy on the As ever website straight after the show.

She’s not trying to be Martha Stewart, she wants to be the new Kathy Ireland ……Meghan Sussex. That’s why there’s been a name rebrand. It’s trying to copy the Kathys mega brand (huge in the US, unknown here) but direct selling her own products….but in a 2025 Netflix kinda way.

So the purpose of the informercial was to

1- introduce the name Meghan Sussex. That’s why they’ve included the car crash ticking off Mindy got- because at least it got her new brand name in. It’s the new Kathy Ireland.

2- To sell the new Meghan Sussex image. So throughout each episode, her friends fawn over her and tell her how amazing she is at everything- cooking, hosting, flower arrange etc.

3- To soft sell the lifestyle wirh generic, no label products first, then find out what the As ever products are after. I’m sure this is a way to get around not having to list the show as an advertisement. That’s also why the name of the show and her product line are different. So it’s not seen as traditional advertisement.

With her appearance on Drew Barrymore, she’s confirming the new brand name, confirming that she’s this super nice, working mom and that she has products to sell you.

Absolutely shameless and so underhand in my opinion……but it might work.

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StrawberryWasp · 07/03/2025 17:39

IcedPurple · 07/03/2025 17:37

People magazine have said that the episodes have already been filmed. The fact that they're going to be dropped around the same time the NF deal is supposed to expire suggests to me that they are simply dumping them.

I think the 'news' is being released now to give the impression that NF execs were so impressed with the show's performance that they rushed to renew it, but that's not really the case.

Ah interesting.

I wonder who's going to be in them?

LaMarschallin · 07/03/2025 18:46

DelectableMe · 06/03/2025 20:26

Also...the English prince is Harry 🤮....such an achievement!

Well, quite.
I suppose there wasn't anyone left.

BelfastBug · 07/03/2025 18:52

StrawberryWasp · 07/03/2025 17:39

Ah interesting.

I wonder who's going to be in them?

William & Kate?

Lizzy Cundy & Milly MacIntosh?

Jessica Mulroney?

Ninaki Priddy?

Her Dad?

Putting the band back together...

QuickMember · 07/03/2025 19:14

I enjoyed reading the OP’s take but it only shows how utterly self obsessed Meghan is.

Wildflowers99 · 07/03/2025 19:35

LaBarruci · 06/03/2025 13:17

That's very convincing, but one elephant in the room: we can't actually buy these products which every episode is tied to, we have no idea when they'll be available, there is no proper outlet to buy them from, and by the time they are launched, if they are ever launched, we'll have forgotten all about the programme.

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This.

Meghan’s business acumen is basically non existent. Anyone watching will do so because they have a passing interest in her, whether that be hate or as a fan. Very few people will be watching and actually inspired by what she’s doing - if they do they’ll probably buy stuff for the bath salts from Home Bargains 😬

I’m neutral on Meghan but couldn’t sit through a whole episode - it was way too dull, syrupy and just didn’t flow right. The interactions between her and her guests felt uncomfortable for some reason, like they were pretending to know each other really well or were trying hard to get a mood right that didn’t materialise.

Wildflowers99 · 07/03/2025 19:38

I also feel like releasing in dribs and drabs is a mistake. Her website doesn’t have previews of a full array of products - maybe 10, mostly jam/honey and a few herbal teas. It looks quite amateur and the styling doesn’t look quite right. It looks like the logo and crest for a luxury hotel, whereas I feel it should be a bit more boho or flowery.

My2cents1975 · 07/03/2025 19:49

Netflix is copying Disney’s top-level merchandising game, which is designed to wring every last dollar from the consumer from Disney Stores in select malls in America, online retail and Disneyland/Disneyworld. Disney aggressively licenses content e.g. Cinderella/Belle/Ariel to apparel (dresses, tops, skirts, outerwear, sleepwear, shoes), home goods (linens, duvets, towels, crockery, cookware), jewelry, toys and so much more.

Netflix Houses are meant to provide a Disneyland/Disney Store-like experience with 2 test stores set to open in latter 2025 in Philadelphia (King of Prussia) and Dallas (Galleria). Netflix Houses will have set replicas from shows and movies, themed restaurants, a theatre, and gift shops. Flagship shows like Bridgerton and Squid Game will likely have the most retail space with the broadest product offerings with smaller shows holding less prominent shelf space.

King of Prussia (4th largest mall in America) is over 30km from Philadelphia and has 450 stores from high end (Bulgari, LV, Chanel, Prada) to teen disposable fashion and has strong foot traffic year-round. The latter 2025 Netflix House opening makes sense to capture the September Back to School/ October Halloween/November Thanksgiving into December Christmas retail season.

I am uncertain how a “cooking” show launched in early March with no good reviews for food products with confused branding and a limited shelf-life fits into Netflix House. Maybe a small corner display, but that won’t support a Montecito lifestyle. That’s before looking at the rapidly changing regulatory environment. Robert Kennedy, the new Head of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) hates processed foods and is actively changing rules on additives/preservatives/stabilisers which are critical for processed foods such as mixes. Some food companies are pre-emptively reformulating recipes to remove ingredients listed as under review. I am not positive that the necessary regulatory compliance will occur when basic food safety (chicken sitting on fridge shelf!!!) is not observed.

AtIusvue · 07/03/2025 19:56

StrawberryWasp · 07/03/2025 17:10

It's got a second season 🫢🤣

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14474059/Meghan-Markle-Netflix-renewed-second-season.htm

Because of our chatter 😁!!

I guess this will be good news for Aserver brand and products. Presumably they'll be out for the next series.

Because it’s NF informercials. There will probably be many more.

Netflix said/ that as ever products will be released seasonally. I mentioned in the OP, that that this means new products will be released with new adverts.

The actual show isn’t the important bit. That’s why I said it doesn’t matter about the reviews and why it’s mocked.

It’s an advert that had lots of eyeballs that can potentially turned into a lot of sales. Who cares if the advert was mocked.

The test is if they can shift the products

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AtIusvue · 07/03/2025 20:11

IcedPurple · 07/03/2025 17:23

The episodes have already been filmed, probably at the same time as the first 'season'. So it's not so much getting another season as NF dumping all the episodes before their contract expires.

Yes, definitely.

It will have all been filmed and the second advert to release the new products.

So we’ve only seen the 8 products previews so far.

From the products that I could blatantly see being promoted but we haven’t yet seen.

  • Vinaigrette- seen in the Alice waters Ep 8 and Abby&Kelly episodes
  • Chilli oil- ep7
  • spicy condiments- throughout the show she talks about her love of spice and in the Abby& Kelly episode- her friends keep talking about how she always has to addd something spicy to the her plate.
  • cake box mix from ep1 and doughnut mix from Ep2. Potentially and English muffin and focaccia one
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AtIusvue · 07/03/2025 20:14

But celebrating like she got a second season is just sad.

It’s a bunch of adverts that she knows shes already filmed.

They could be the worst reviewed adverts ever….doesnt matter. It’s just if the products sell.

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BasiliskStare · 07/03/2025 20:33

@Atlusvue -I do rather chuckle as to what she must have been thinking about reading speculation about a second series when she knew she had it in the can already. It must have made reading the reviews easier.

I have said before & I will say again - I don't hate her . I don't know her. Some things she has said and done really annoy me (& Harry) but these come from prime sources. I watched the first series out of curiosity and liked the scenery , shot well , pretty TV but I didn't find her congenial. Now I have sated my curiosity I shan't be watching the next one. ( and Atlus - I don't think anyone would blame you from making a graceful retirement given your sterling service ) But I have also said this and I stand by it - if she can make enough money to sustain the lifestyle she aspires to her without telling untruths or living off her (pretty brief in the grand scheme of things ) association with the RF - then I am happy. Of curse she's married to KC's younger son so she is in the family by marriage - but estranged I would say. I would prefer it if she dropped the Duchess of Sussex thing but Harry was given that by HLMTQ so she's entitled to it. I think she's sailing as close to the wind as she can re trading on the RF without actually crossing a line anyone could be bothered to take up with her.

AtIusvue · 07/03/2025 20:52

It’s when the media actually twig that it’s just tele shopping.

Theyre still reviewing like an actual show. When you realise it’s an advert…:you understand why it’s so boring.

Im def out for the watch-along for ‘season 2’ though 😂

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Onlyonekenobe · 07/03/2025 21:00

They could be the worst reviewed adverts ever….doesnt matter. It’s just if the products sell.

I think it really does matter how the shows are reviewed because the show is what would make the product sell. All these products already exist. Many varieties and flavours. Many brands. All a lot cheaper than $25 (if that's what they end up costing). The only differentiating factor is MM's association. And why would anyone buy Meghan Markle's version after she's been so resoundingly pilloried for making them and her look undesirable? She doesn't have a solid base of fans/support, people who will pick her version of raspberry jam over other people's come what may. With this show, she's positively put people off.

I suspect there's more to come. More products, more advertising, more Instagram posts, perhaps something else entirely too. This STILL isn't making sense, even after the "second series" announcement. That Meghan was allowed to get ARO and now the launch of As Ever so wrong in terms of trademarking and timing and test-page, that it was done on her personal Instagram handle which was activated for this purpose, suggests Netflix have less input than she does. Meaning she'd keep a higher % of the profit than they do. There's no additional outlay for them: they have the stores, they have the contract with H&M, the rest is up to her now. The caliber of guest for the second series will be no higher than the first otherwise they would have released those first. It's still off, to me. It's needs something to more to make it a desirable brand, let alone a desirable high-end brand.

AtIusvue · 07/03/2025 21:13

It doesn’t really. It’s about eyeballs. They’ve had a tonne of people watch it. They don’t need everybody to like it…..just a small amount that are prepared to buy the product.

If the products sell- they’ll be happy. So will meghan.

I suspect the products will sell out- the series is notorious now. But there’s not going to be any long term business built. It’s not a sustainable business for Meghan, knowing how divisive she is. She doesn’t have the goodwill to be able to build a real business. This is effectively limited edition products.

The problem is she’s used her kids in this whole tele shopping nonsense. Extremely tacky.

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AtIusvue · 07/03/2025 21:30

From Netflix:

‘For those looking to try some of Meghan and her guests’ favorite recipes and crafts at home, check out our collection of some of the show’s how-tos here. Plus, now you can use products personally developed by Meghan for her lifestyle brand, As ever. Launching this spring, it showcases a collection of items like the aforementioned flower sprinkles, teas, and baking mixes that will change seasonally.’

So it’s limited edition items effectively. These adverts are just designed to shift product. This isn’t a long term business. It’s a short term endeavour to make big bucks.

Really tacky, it’s not even authentic that she’s trying to build a real business.

So it’s almost a pop-up shop that NF are doing.

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nongnangning · 07/03/2025 21:30

Interesting idea OP and you may be on to something.
Yes, absolutely NF could have done a deal with Meghan to take a cut from her merchandise.
I watched Episode 1 (very dull). IMO all the media coverage debating the show is way more interesting than the show itself. It's for sure a cultural talking point.
I think I would buy a pot of jam or edible flowers as an ironic gift ("look mum! I've got you Meghan Markle's edible flowers!"). I once went to someone's house where they had the Gwyneth Paltrow vagina candle on the table and it was a real talking point.
But I'm sure as PPs have said this is all targeted at the US domestic market anyway, not at Brits.

nongnangning · 07/03/2025 21:40

Also, I think it's great if Meghan can earn a living selling pots of jam and shortbread to US consumers. Isn't Duchy Organics basically pots of jam and shortbread for UK consumers?

Fourecks · 07/03/2025 22:58

AtIusvue · 07/03/2025 20:14

But celebrating like she got a second season is just sad.

It’s a bunch of adverts that she knows shes already filmed.

They could be the worst reviewed adverts ever….doesnt matter. It’s just if the products sell.

But most people aren't paying close attention to this. They see the show has released, that it's getting not-great reviews but is in the top 10 Netflix shows, then they see the celebration that it's been renewed.

So for someone not paying huge amounts of attention, they have the impression that the snobby critics don't like it but lots of people are watching it and it's probably worth a go given it's been renewed.

BemusedAmerican · 08/03/2025 00:45

It wasn't renewed. They just dropped the second half of the episodes.

My2cents1975 · 08/03/2025 02:49

Onlyonekenobe · 07/03/2025 21:00

They could be the worst reviewed adverts ever….doesnt matter. It’s just if the products sell.

I think it really does matter how the shows are reviewed because the show is what would make the product sell. All these products already exist. Many varieties and flavours. Many brands. All a lot cheaper than $25 (if that's what they end up costing). The only differentiating factor is MM's association. And why would anyone buy Meghan Markle's version after she's been so resoundingly pilloried for making them and her look undesirable? She doesn't have a solid base of fans/support, people who will pick her version of raspberry jam over other people's come what may. With this show, she's positively put people off.

I suspect there's more to come. More products, more advertising, more Instagram posts, perhaps something else entirely too. This STILL isn't making sense, even after the "second series" announcement. That Meghan was allowed to get ARO and now the launch of As Ever so wrong in terms of trademarking and timing and test-page, that it was done on her personal Instagram handle which was activated for this purpose, suggests Netflix have less input than she does. Meaning she'd keep a higher % of the profit than they do. There's no additional outlay for them: they have the stores, they have the contract with H&M, the rest is up to her now. The caliber of guest for the second series will be no higher than the first otherwise they would have released those first. It's still off, to me. It's needs something to more to make it a desirable brand, let alone a desirable high-end brand.

As pointed out above, MM's brand has to be perceived as a high-end desirable brand to command $20+ per box versus the staple brands (Betty Crocker/Duncan Hines/Pillsbury) which retail for under $3 per box.

Williams-Sonoma (a higher end home goods store) has an ongoing collaboration with Netflix's Bridgerton and sells scone/cake/cookie mixes for around $20 per box. The Bridgerton packaging looks much more attractive than the rather plain asever mock-ups and Bridgerton food and cocktail mixes have positive customer reviews.

MM's products will directly compete with these Bridgerton products in the Netflix store. (I wonder if Shonda Rhimes is feeling the same as the Flamingo estate guys?) Why would a customer buy MM crepe mix from a universally panned show versus Bridgerton strawberry scone mix from a universally acclaimed show? The Fall episodes will face a very tall order to overcome the negativity that is firmly fixed in the minds of Americans who are liking MM less, the more they are exposed to her.

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Baital · 08/03/2025 06:50

Bingo!

It was only a matter of time 😂

DelectableMe · 08/03/2025 07:03

Baital · 08/03/2025 06:50

Bingo!

It was only a matter of time 😂

😂😂

DelectableMe · 08/03/2025 07:07

I think, @Baital , some people have never turned on British tv and seen cookery shows with Nadiya Hussain, Lorraine Pascal, Ken Hom, Ching-He Huang, Ainsley Harriot, Big Zuu, Andi Oliver et al.
Perhaps they imagine it's still just Fanny Craddock? 😂

Baital · 08/03/2025 07:14

DelectableMe · 08/03/2025 07:07

I think, @Baital , some people have never turned on British tv and seen cookery shows with Nadiya Hussain, Lorraine Pascal, Ken Hom, Ching-He Huang, Ainsley Harriot, Big Zuu, Andi Oliver et al.
Perhaps they imagine it's still just Fanny Craddock? 😂

That too!

But it seems to be the standard response by a core of Meghan supporters - any criticism is due to racism. They don't engage with the criticism by e.g. saying they enjoyed the series, what they think worked well. They just attack the posters who express a negative opinion.

See also 'hate', 'forelock tugging' etc etc