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Meghan’s show IS something new and different.

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AtIusvue · 06/03/2025 13:08

So we have it wrong. THIS IS an entirely new format for a cookery/lifestyle show. Because it isn’t a cookery/lifestyle show. This is Netflix first foray into the world of informercials and they are doing it in NF style; meaning a big budget and a slight twist.

So With Love, Meghan is a 5hr advert for As ever and Meghan Sussex. But what makes it different; is it has been disguised as a lifestyle show and there’s no direct sales. It’s the soft sell…..very beige and subtle.

So every recipe and story Meghan shares, is designed around an As ever product. Even conversations with friends are designed to either sell Meghan or a product.

For example. In Ep 8, she makes shortbread with edible flowers. A packet mix of shortbread with edible flowers is now on the As ever website. Now on the show, we don’t see her open the box. But what we do see, is her giving a very quick run through of a basic dough recipe and then tell the viewer they can just use shop bought. The majority of the time isn’t spent in the baking, it’s spent on the decorating with edible flowers.
This is by design. All the baked goods she’s shows you on the programme, she says things like ‘I don’t enjoy baking’, ‘I’ve never made doughnuts before’, ‘ I only learned last week to make focaccia’ ‘I don’t like measuring’
So while viewers who are expecting to watch a cookery show, are flummoxed by someone with such little baking skills teaching us- it’s because it’s an advert and she’s selling the idea that the baking part isn’t important. So when the As ever baked goods mixes appear after the advert goes out, people will want to buy. Because they know that even Meghan doesn’t like baking. That it’s ok to skip that part, and focus on the decorating and gifting part.

This is soft selling infomercials. It’s a Netflix/QVC hybrid. She is directly selling you the idea and lifestyle, but softly selling you the products. You find out what these products are, after the show.

More examples-
Ep 1 where she makes an Epsom salt bath mix (As ever TM pending). The honey and ginger tea she shares with her friend Daniel is on the As ever website. Teapots are also intended to be sold. The raspberry jam that she uses in the cake she bakes (which again, is a very basic mix and she runs through quickly- because we know she wants to sell packets of the stuff) is now available in the website. As is the honey she used for the cake syrup.

So Ep 2, where we see Meghan make kids party bags. Included are kids gardening tools (which is under the As ever TM application) a honey stick (TM application ) and plant pots (TM application)

Everything is for sale. When in Ep. 7 Meghan puts shop bought croissants in a basket and decants jam into little ramekins, a quick look at the TM application confirms that these are all items she intends to sell under As ever.

How does the soft sell look?

Take for example the jam on the show. The label isn’t on the jar, so it’s not directly selling the brand, As ever. But it’s the same jar shape and we know that it’s raspberry because the cake is decorated with fresh raspberries on top, indicating the jam used. Or the crepe are served with the jam and fresh raspberry’s. It’s all very subtle. The raspeberry jam product then drops straight after the show.

The stories she shares are designed to sell too. For example; her memory of her gran making apple butter- she has fruit butters under her TM application.

Even conversations with friends are designed to sell not only Meghan (how wonderful she is) but they are designed to introduce products in the As ever line. So in Ep 5 we see Meghan’s friends Kelly and Abby discuss Meghans love of spicy condiments - these are under the As ever TM application. We also see Abby discuss Meghans love of flowers and how she helped her in her floral business. From the TM application, you can see it is As Ever’s intention to sell fresh flowers and plants. It’s also why we are given floral demonstrations with ‘supermarket’ flowers.

Conversations with her friend Vicky too in Ep 7, about how Meghan loves a polished skin look, while making face masks- again, we see As ever intends to sell non medicated skin products from the TM application.

The show is a practical demonstration of how to use her products, but the products are released after the advert. When you cross ref the TM application items with what was seen on screen, you see clearly that everything is designed for a sale. Crockery, candles,baskets, wrapping paper, jam etc.

Another tell that this is an infomercial hybrid, is the fact that they have said more As ever items will be released seasonally. Why? What’s seasonal about honey and ginger tea and crepe mix that it’s to come out in spring? These are store cupboard items, not seasonal products.
What they actually mean is, when a new advert comes out, new products will be introduced and added to the collection.

This is why all the press reviews for the show mean nothing. NF won’t care that’s it’s ridiculed. We have all just watched the advert they wanted us to watch. What they want is for it to translate into sales for As ever. It really doesn’t matter how much critical acclaim the show gets, as it’s just a vehicle for the products.
Additionally, we know from the TM application that As ever wants to enter the podcast world. So her new podcast will be in furtherance to the brand and selling the products. But again, it will be a soft sell, not direct.

So it IS a completely new style of cooking show. It goes beyond product placement but isn’t direct selling. I think meghan and NF think they have been very clever. At some point everyone will figure out these are just adverts and work out that every recipe, conversation and story, is linked to an item that you can buy on the As ever website straight after the show.

She’s not trying to be Martha Stewart, she wants to be the new Kathy Ireland ……Meghan Sussex. That’s why there’s been a name rebrand. It’s trying to copy the Kathys mega brand (huge in the US, unknown here) but direct selling her own products….but in a 2025 Netflix kinda way.

So the purpose of the informercial was to

1- introduce the name Meghan Sussex. That’s why they’ve included the car crash ticking off Mindy got- because at least it got her new brand name in. It’s the new Kathy Ireland.

2- To sell the new Meghan Sussex image. So throughout each episode, her friends fawn over her and tell her how amazing she is at everything- cooking, hosting, flower arrange etc.

3- To soft sell the lifestyle wirh generic, no label products first, then find out what the As ever products are after. I’m sure this is a way to get around not having to list the show as an advertisement. That’s also why the name of the show and her product line are different. So it’s not seen as traditional advertisement.

With her appearance on Drew Barrymore, she’s confirming the new brand name, confirming that she’s this super nice, working mom and that she has products to sell you.

Absolutely shameless and so underhand in my opinion……but it might work.

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BasiliskStare · 15/03/2025 14:24

@SpreadingJammyTodgerLove Here is something of an explanation. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-14469815/meghan-sussex-royal-protocol-preferred-name.html

From this I take (because of the title ) they are allowed to use Sussex as a "shorthand surname." This is within protocol which apparently is a bit fluid.

As to what the US would recognise as a legal surname , given they (US) don't have titles , I suspect they need to use what's on the birth certificate / marriage certificate / passports etc. But I don't know. Perhaps @BemusedAmerican can shed some light.

So it seems to me, certainly if they were in the UK , they could use Sussex and I assume in the US for general use.
Why Meghan wants to do it - different matter . I know what she said and who am I to know her thinking. .... 😉

But Jammy - no lawyer me.

Can Meghan REALLY call herself Meghan Sussex? What royal protocol says

The Duchess's insistence on using her title as a surname has caused a stir amongst royal-watchers, with many questioning her decision to adopt 'Sussex' as her family name.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-14469815/meghan-sussex-royal-protocol-preferred-name.html

Serenster · 15/03/2025 14:26

1WanderingWomble · 15/03/2025 13:23

Both Harry and Meghan changed their name on marriage so in that respect it's actually quite egalitarian.

Harry gained a new title on marriage. That gave him another option to use as a surname should he require one, but it didn’t change his name as such.

1WanderingWomble · 15/03/2025 14:38

Serenster · 15/03/2025 14:26

Harry gained a new title on marriage. That gave him another option to use as a surname should he require one, but it didn’t change his name as such.

Yes, I'm aware, but in practice they both took on a new, shared name on marriage.

jeffgoldblum · 15/03/2025 14:43

titles don’t work the same as traditional surnames, and are totally defunct outside the upper classes or in republican countries.

1WanderingWomble · 15/03/2025 14:47

jeffgoldblum · 15/03/2025 14:43

titles don’t work the same as traditional surnames, and are totally defunct outside the upper classes or in republican countries.

Ok. Does that contradict anything I said?

DelectableMe · 15/03/2025 14:59

Yes, @jeffgoldblum but it doesn't matter because the titles are absolutely everything to Harry and Meghan, in whatever form. What are they without them? She desperately needs that "Sussex" tag.

DelectableMe · 15/03/2025 15:00

1WanderingWomble · 15/03/2025 14:38

Yes, I'm aware, but in practice they both took on a new, shared name on marriage.

Well, she took on the female form of his title. Rather like Olivia Henson is now the Duchess of Westminster.

TheMeasure · 15/03/2025 15:00

There's a rumour on the Blind Gossip sites alleging that Meghan needs to renew her driving licence in the US but that in order to do so, she will need to declare her legal surname, which doesn't appear to line up with what she's been saying it is recently.
Make of that what you will.

1WanderingWomble · 15/03/2025 15:06

DelectableMe · 15/03/2025 15:00

Well, she took on the female form of his title. Rather like Olivia Henson is now the Duchess of Westminster.

Great spot. Any other blindingly obvious 'clarifications', anyone? 🤔

BasiliskStare · 15/03/2025 15:06

DelectableMe · 15/03/2025 15:00

Well, she took on the female form of his title. Rather like Olivia Henson is now the Duchess of Westminster.

@DelectableMe Or , as Jamie Lee Curtis became on her marriage The Lady Haden-Guest . Which she does not use because she says "it's got nothing to do with me"

But JLC obviously has a different view of marrying someone with a title.

DelectableMe · 15/03/2025 15:17

BasiliskStare · 15/03/2025 15:06

@DelectableMe Or , as Jamie Lee Curtis became on her marriage The Lady Haden-Guest . Which she does not use because she says "it's got nothing to do with me"

But JLC obviously has a different view of marrying someone with a title.

Edited

Quite, she has talent and drive in her own right.

DelectableMe · 15/03/2025 15:19

1WanderingWomble · 15/03/2025 15:06

Great spot. Any other blindingly obvious 'clarifications', anyone? 🤔

Is there any need for the snark?
It does seem as if certain posters do need clarification.
HTH.

1WanderingWomble · 15/03/2025 15:23

DelectableMe · 15/03/2025 15:19

Is there any need for the snark?
It does seem as if certain posters do need clarification.
HTH.

It doesn't particularly help, no. But it's great to be educated about what titles mean, something I and 'certain posters' wouldn't have had a clue about otherwise.

DelectableMe · 15/03/2025 15:24

TheMeasure · 15/03/2025 15:00

There's a rumour on the Blind Gossip sites alleging that Meghan needs to renew her driving licence in the US but that in order to do so, she will need to declare her legal surname, which doesn't appear to line up with what she's been saying it is recently.
Make of that what you will.

That's actually quite funny if it's true 😅!
Correct me if I'm wrong, and I do hope I'm not asking something blindingly obvious here, but can you have a title in your US driver's license?
Meghan The Duchess of Sussex, say?

DelectableMe · 15/03/2025 15:25

1WanderingWomble · 15/03/2025 15:23

It doesn't particularly help, no. But it's great to be educated about what titles mean, something I and 'certain posters' wouldn't have had a clue about otherwise.

So my clarification helped. Perhaps you know about titles on US driver's licenses?

WatchOutMissMarpleIsAbout · 15/03/2025 15:27

TheMeasure · 15/03/2025 15:00

There's a rumour on the Blind Gossip sites alleging that Meghan needs to renew her driving licence in the US but that in order to do so, she will need to declare her legal surname, which doesn't appear to line up with what she's been saying it is recently.
Make of that what you will.

What is Meghan’s legal surname? Markle, Sussex or Mountbatten-Windsor? I feel I should know but don’t.

DelectableMe · 15/03/2025 15:35

1WanderingWomble · 15/03/2025 15:23

It doesn't particularly help, no. But it's great to be educated about what titles mean, something I and 'certain posters' wouldn't have had a clue about otherwise.

So can you answer @WatchOutMissMarpleIsAbout question?
I've just been reading Lord Ivar Mountbatten's response to this very question.

JoyousEagle · 15/03/2025 15:42

WatchOutMissMarpleIsAbout · 15/03/2025 15:27

What is Meghan’s legal surname? Markle, Sussex or Mountbatten-Windsor? I feel I should know but don’t.

She’s Markle on Lily’s birth certificate. But that was a few years ago so could have changed since. I don’t know that we’d know people’s legal names necessarily. People do use different names for different things eg I bet a number of women keep their name for work (particularly if well known eg an actress, or someone with published work) but maybe change their names on passports etc. That’s probably more common than the other way round ie someone keeping their name for legal docs but changing it socially.

DelectableMe · 15/03/2025 15:45

JoyousEagle · 15/03/2025 15:42

She’s Markle on Lily’s birth certificate. But that was a few years ago so could have changed since. I don’t know that we’d know people’s legal names necessarily. People do use different names for different things eg I bet a number of women keep their name for work (particularly if well known eg an actress, or someone with published work) but maybe change their names on passports etc. That’s probably more common than the other way round ie someone keeping their name for legal docs but changing it socially.

That's true, especially women with titles. She can use her husband's title Sussex as her surname, or the family surname, Mountbatten-Windsor. (according to Lord Ivar Mountbatten).

1WanderingWomble · 15/03/2025 15:48

DelectableMe · 15/03/2025 15:35

So can you answer @WatchOutMissMarpleIsAbout question?
I've just been reading Lord Ivar Mountbatten's response to this very question.

Can I answer what her legal surname is because I pointed out that both she and Harry have the Sussex title? Maybe you could tell me why that's even relevant, or why you feel I specifically should answer?

WatchOutMissMarpleIsAbout · 15/03/2025 15:50

Thank you.

I was once accused by my bank of fraud as a cheque had been issued in my married name (from Dhs sister) and my account was in my maiden name as I hadn’t changed it. I had my marriage certificate with me as well.

I always thought it was a point from SiL as she knew I hadn’t changed my name. Anyway supervisor came over and said it was fine.

Not sure it would be acceptable now as was several years ago.

Mylovelygreendress · 15/03/2025 15:51

TheMeasure · 15/03/2025 15:00

There's a rumour on the Blind Gossip sites alleging that Meghan needs to renew her driving licence in the US but that in order to do so, she will need to declare her legal surname, which doesn't appear to line up with what she's been saying it is recently.
Make of that what you will.

Wasn’t there an issue with her passport on her return from Invictus ? CDAN reported that Meghan wasn’t happy with the Passport Control Officer not using her Royal title as that is not on her passport .

IcedPurple · 15/03/2025 15:53

1WanderingWomble · 15/03/2025 15:48

Can I answer what her legal surname is because I pointed out that both she and Harry have the Sussex title? Maybe you could tell me why that's even relevant, or why you feel I specifically should answer?

Meghan doesn't really 'have' the 'Sussex title'. It belongs to her husband alone. Hers is just a courtesy title but it has no legal standing.

Legally her surname is either Markle or Mountbatten Windsor.

DelectableMe · 15/03/2025 15:57

1WanderingWomble · 15/03/2025 15:48

Can I answer what her legal surname is because I pointed out that both she and Harry have the Sussex title? Maybe you could tell me why that's even relevant, or why you feel I specifically should answer?

.... I thought you knew about titles? My mistake.
It's been clarified below. Not too blindingly obviously, one hopes!

jeffgoldblum · 15/03/2025 15:58

IcedPurple · 15/03/2025 15:53

Meghan doesn't really 'have' the 'Sussex title'. It belongs to her husband alone. Hers is just a courtesy title but it has no legal standing.

Legally her surname is either Markle or Mountbatten Windsor.

Thanks iced , I was thinking the same but didn’t know how to word it!