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glitterturd · 07/03/2025 10:29

@Mightymoog

www.nhs.uk/conditions/food-intolerance/

SpreadingJammyTodgerLove · 07/03/2025 10:31

If that study was recent, @Weepixie , I wonder if the funders required the researchers to build in a CRT and CGT element? It is utterly bonkers to accuse people of racism for adverse reactions to food.

glitterturd · 07/03/2025 10:33

Cooking animals 😂😂😂😂😂

BunnyLake · 07/03/2025 10:40

I really enjoy Ree Drummond’s lifestyle and cooking programmes and youtube channel (I know she’s not everyone’s cup of tea but it’s clear her now adult children adore her and she never makes me feel something’s off). I also know theres been a bit of controversy about renting out some of their land but I haven’t delved into that. I watched one of her youtube videos yesterday with one of her daughters and I liked how they were talking directly to the viewer, which is something Ree always does but Meghan didn’t. She has a massively successful lifestyle brand, shop and homewares line. I think she would have been a good model for Meghan to emulate, cooking/day to day lifestyle wise.

bluegreygreen · 07/03/2025 10:41

It was said by those who ran the study that as participants in the study didn’t know if they were getting msg or not, those who didn’t get the msg but who still reported adverse reactions to what they were eating must have been racists.

If they had reactions but hadn't been given MSG, they may well have been reacting to something else. Was this investigated?

Jacquettes · 07/03/2025 10:41

Tomatoes are full of msg. Very high levels of msg when in Italian style tomato paste and tomato sauce.

But no one said don’t eat Italian food etc.
I was very interested to hear what Chef Choi had to say.

Mightymoog · 07/03/2025 10:50

Jacquettes · 07/03/2025 10:41

Tomatoes are full of msg. Very high levels of msg when in Italian style tomato paste and tomato sauce.

But no one said don’t eat Italian food etc.
I was very interested to hear what Chef Choi had to say.

Edited

Sorry if I've misunderstood but are you saying that msg avoidance is indeed racist?

MaggieMistletoe · 07/03/2025 10:56

GiveMeSpanakopita · 07/03/2025 06:13

I'm not a psychologist, and not really very interested in diagnosing people I don't know on the internet. I wouldn't call it anger exactly - more of a tightness, an aggression that's under the surface but permeates everything, especially her interactions with the other people on the show. It's made doubly awkward because it's wrapped up in a faux relaxed, giggle joy. There's nothing worse than watching a very up-tight person trying to exude relaxed, chilled joy. It's mildly stressful to watch.

I once worked with a client who had been through the wringer with internet criticisms (the substance of which were valid and needed addressing but she persisted in seeing them as merely 'jealous haters'). She wanted to produce content which would address the critics without overtly doing so, and the first rush footage was all dreadful because it had exactly this energy. I tried to address it directly and explain why it wasn't working. Reader, she fired me. That's fine because the finished products were dreadful and I'd rather not take someone's coin if I don't believe and feel comfortable with what they're doing. Fortunately, I no longer need to clutch on to every scrap of revenue like I used to when I was starting out on my own.

Another influencer, who I have NOT worked with, but who has this same angry energy masquerading as confidence, is Jack Monroe, and that's why she is similarly difficult to watch.

Viewers want to watch presenters who make us feel relaxed, easy and engaged, not nervous and uptight.

This is very insightful. I can see the similarity to Jack Monroe's energy and how it is stressful to watch.

Weepixie · 07/03/2025 11:08

From what I recall it was in the late 60’s questions were asked about the safety of MSG and a study was done a year later to see if ‘Chinese restaurant syndrome’ was real or not.

This article explains the situation quite well but the first accusations of racism were decades earlier.

And the mention of MSG in tomato’s is very interesting as I was horrifically allergic to them as a child, strawberries also, and I only started eating them again about 15 years ago.

www.businessinsider.com/msg-racism-comeback-food-history-2023-1#:~:text=MSG%20has%20been%20branded%20as,about%20the%20ingredient's%20health%20impacts.

Weepixie · 07/03/2025 11:12

If they had reactions but hadn't been given MSG, they may well have been reacting to something else. Was this investigated?

Not to my knowledge. I’m not scientific at all but I do doubt the standard of the initial study carried out and I much prefer the one done by the National Institute of Health (gov)

MissRoseDurward · 07/03/2025 11:13

Tomatoes are full of msg. Very high levels of msg when in Italian style tomato paste and tomato sauce.

That's interesting. I've never liked tomatoes and rare!y eat tomato in any form. But a couple of times I had something with a tomato and basil sauce, I had a headache. I thought it was the basil!

So now I know - tomatoes definitely to be avoided.

jeffgoldblum · 07/03/2025 11:14

The msg thing wasn't really a U.K. thing it was a us thing , about Chinese restaurant food making you ill , didn’t know it was racism though !
And yes I buy msg ( in a delightful glass panda shaker!) it adds Unami instantly to food !
It's a bit like salt.

jeffgoldblum · 07/03/2025 11:16

Oh sorry @Mightymoog , I see you have already answered and said much the same!

jeffgoldblum · 07/03/2025 11:24

I will say people can be sensitive to any ingredient! , I can not eat a certain sweetner that was put in Diet Coke syrups dispensed in pubs!
( in my twenties) it was irritating enough that certain bar men would always give ( only ) women Diet Coke even when you asked specifically for full fat!
But they would deny it ! Of course this always fell flat when I started vomiting!

Mightymoog · 07/03/2025 11:32

jeffgoldblum · 07/03/2025 11:14

The msg thing wasn't really a U.K. thing it was a us thing , about Chinese restaurant food making you ill , didn’t know it was racism though !
And yes I buy msg ( in a delightful glass panda shaker!) it adds Unami instantly to food !
It's a bit like salt.

ooh, i need a panda shaker!

Baital · 07/03/2025 11:33

There is something in most soft fizzy drinks (coke, Pepsi, sprite, fanta) that makes me physically ill and vomit.

It was quite a problem when working in communities where a branded soft drink was a way of honouring a guest, because I didn't want to turn it down as it had been specially provided for me, probably by going without something else. Happily, insisting on sharing the 'treat' with the children, after a mouthful.or two, seemed to show appreciation for the honour and everyone was happy to treat the children a little.

Belladonne · 07/03/2025 11:35

MaggieMistletoe · 07/03/2025 10:56

This is very insightful. I can see the similarity to Jack Monroe's energy and how it is stressful to watch.

Is this energy it because they are both hyper-vigilant liars and frauds worried they will be exposed?

Weepixie · 07/03/2025 11:37

jeffgoldblum · 07/03/2025 11:14

The msg thing wasn't really a U.K. thing it was a us thing , about Chinese restaurant food making you ill , didn’t know it was racism though !
And yes I buy msg ( in a delightful glass panda shaker!) it adds Unami instantly to food !
It's a bit like salt.

Correct. It all started in the States.

MajorBryantIsAnArse · 07/03/2025 11:41

I am from Australia originally and MSG was banned because it was believed to have caused adverse reactions, particularly in people with asthma. I have just googled and it;'s not banned now.

However it baffles me why people would apparently deny that some food additives affect some people and that to say so is racist. I am gluten intolerant. My Ds1 has an egg allergy and used to have a mild reaction to tomatoes. Bodies and people and immune systems are different. DS1 has an anaphylactic allergy to peanuts and to the cold. (Trust me, hardly anyone believes the latter- cold urticaria is relatively rare but some people need to carry epipens for it). Would I say that my son is racist against South America because he has a sensitivity to tomatoes? Or racists against the Northern Hemisphere because he gets hives in rain and wind?

GiveMeSpanakopita · 07/03/2025 11:49

MaggieMistletoe · 07/03/2025 10:56

This is very insightful. I can see the similarity to Jack Monroe's energy and how it is stressful to watch.

It's very off-putting to viewers, and explains why Meghan never got further in her acting career than she did. I imagine her range would have been extremely limited, and the stiffness is the result of her playing a role outside of her range. It's the kind of thing a casting director would have picked up on immediately (and I'm sure she's very used to hearing Directors shout RELAXXX! at her).

I also discern a latent hostility in her interactions with some of the guests. She's OK with the male (especially gay male) guests, but latently hostile with the females. Some of the interactions with Kaling were frostier than Captain Scott's toothbrush. It's an odd dynamic (lovely to guys, nasty to women) that is weirdly common in female celebs of a certain age and achievement level. Especially in Cali.

This is central to Meghan's professional problem: her royal status has earned her juicier opportunities than she could ever have achieved on organic talent alone. That's why everything she's done since Megxit has failed: there's a gap between her ability and her fame level. It's like casting a casual saturday night dancer as Odette-Odile for the Royal Ballet and then wondering why your production of Swan Lake's flopped so hard.

YourWinter · 07/03/2025 12:16

Sorry if it’s already been mentioned, there is an article in the Telegraph suggesting the one-pot pasta recipe is copied from another chef’s book:

Meghan’s reheated someone else’s pasta recipe, viewers claim
People watching the Duchess’s new Netflix show quick to point out similarities between her dish and a 2015 recipe by British chef Anna Jones.

Hannah Furness Royal Editor. Max Stephens
06 March 2025 9:01pm GMT
The Duchess of Sussex’s recipe for “single skillet spaghetti” bears a striking resemblance to a dish made famous in a 2015 British cookbook, viewers have claimed.
The dish, which she makes in the first episode of her new lifestyle show on Netflix, sees her combine kale, lemon and tomatoes in one pan with spaghetti before topping with parmesan.

Viewers immediately noticed the similarity with Anna Jones’s kale, tomato and lemon magic one-pot spaghetti, published in her 2015 cookbook A Modern Way to Cook.
Both recipes highlight the novelty of cooking the ingredients all in one pan, with the Duchess adding just a few extra ingredients as she plates hers up.
The programme does not acknowledge Jones’s recipe.
In the first episode of With Love, Meghan, she tells her guest, make-up artist and friend Daniel Martin: “I’m going to make you pasta. You do it all in one pot. Single skillet spaghetti.”
She explained: “We do the whole thing in one pan, just like making a frittata...
“You’re going to love this and you’ll go ‘why have I been doing this this different way this whole time?’
Describing it as “very easy, it’s a family favourite”, Meghan adds: “When I make this, I make this for my family.”
When Martin compliments the dish as “so f-g good” at the end of the segment, Meghan nods as he describes the dish as being hearty without being heavy.
‘The new Nigella’
Jones’s recipe was praised by chefs including Jamie Oliver and Nigel Slater, with one reviewer calling her “the new Nigella”.
It has since been made available online.
The recipe instructs home cooks to boil water, chop tomatoes and throw them in the pan with the pasta, grate the zest from lemons and add the boiling water on top before covering with a lid.
Simmer for six minutes, it says, and remove tough stalks from kale or spinach and roughly tear the leaves before adding to the water. When cooked, add parmesan.
The Duchess’s recipe invites viewers to boil water, chop tomatoes, put the pasta on top in a pan and pour boiling water on top before zesting a lemon into it.
Cut chard and kale, let the pasta dish boil for six minutes, and “tear up some of these greens to tier on top of it”.
The Duchess adds rocket, chilli flakes and a basil leaf at the end of her version, which Jones’s does not require.
Xanthe Clay, chef and Telegraph food writer, said Meghan should have credited the chef whose recipe had provided inspiration for her own.
She said that Jones may or may not have invented the one-pot technique but her recipe was the earliest she could find.
“As any food writer knows, it’s dismal to find your hard-won recipe ‘repurposed’ in someone else’s book, web page or TV show. There’s no copyright on the ingredients list (after all, the ingredients for meringues, say, are pretty much set). It’s the wording of the method that belongs’ to the writer, and as Meghan’s isn’t written down she’s probably safe from legal action.

But – and this is a big but – Meghan’s does seem very similar to Anna’s, from ingredients to technique… Not, of course, that I am suggesting that Megs doesn’t come up with her own recipes – after all, her version does include garlic and chilli flakes, unlike Anna’s.
“Still, legal niceties aside, Meghan may not get away with this without a stain on her expensive linen apron. Cookery writer etiquette demands that you acknowledge your sources. That doesn’t need to be an Oscar speech length list of thank yous, just a simple line of gratitude for the inspiration.”
Franceso Mazzei, the chef who helped design King Charles’ and Stanley Tucci’s menu last month to celebrate Anglo-Italian relations at HighGrove, said chefs should generally acknowledge when they are serving a dish that they are replicating from someone else.
“You have to acknowledge the recipe, people will know, it will get back to you”.
Neither Jones, Netflix, nor representatives of the Duchess have commented.

friendlycat · 07/03/2025 12:29

BunnyLake · 07/03/2025 10:40

I really enjoy Ree Drummond’s lifestyle and cooking programmes and youtube channel (I know she’s not everyone’s cup of tea but it’s clear her now adult children adore her and she never makes me feel something’s off). I also know theres been a bit of controversy about renting out some of their land but I haven’t delved into that. I watched one of her youtube videos yesterday with one of her daughters and I liked how they were talking directly to the viewer, which is something Ree always does but Meghan didn’t. She has a massively successful lifestyle brand, shop and homewares line. I think she would have been a good model for Meghan to emulate, cooking/day to day lifestyle wise.

Pioneer Woman is good. She’s been hugely successful. But she trained as a journalist and has written successful cookbooks as well as her enormously successful blog prior to her TV career.

She can actually cook though which underpins all her work and now has a restaurant/retail store plus a pizzeria and candy store.

It’s all about the content and that’s the crux of everything. You need good content and a credible history/persona to pull it off. Similarly Ina Garten Barefoot Contessa used to have a catering company prior to her TV work.

smilesy · 07/03/2025 12:31

YourWinter · 07/03/2025 12:16

Sorry if it’s already been mentioned, there is an article in the Telegraph suggesting the one-pot pasta recipe is copied from another chef’s book:

Meghan’s reheated someone else’s pasta recipe, viewers claim
People watching the Duchess’s new Netflix show quick to point out similarities between her dish and a 2015 recipe by British chef Anna Jones.

Hannah Furness Royal Editor. Max Stephens
06 March 2025 9:01pm GMT
The Duchess of Sussex’s recipe for “single skillet spaghetti” bears a striking resemblance to a dish made famous in a 2015 British cookbook, viewers have claimed.
The dish, which she makes in the first episode of her new lifestyle show on Netflix, sees her combine kale, lemon and tomatoes in one pan with spaghetti before topping with parmesan.

Viewers immediately noticed the similarity with Anna Jones’s kale, tomato and lemon magic one-pot spaghetti, published in her 2015 cookbook A Modern Way to Cook.
Both recipes highlight the novelty of cooking the ingredients all in one pan, with the Duchess adding just a few extra ingredients as she plates hers up.
The programme does not acknowledge Jones’s recipe.
In the first episode of With Love, Meghan, she tells her guest, make-up artist and friend Daniel Martin: “I’m going to make you pasta. You do it all in one pot. Single skillet spaghetti.”
She explained: “We do the whole thing in one pan, just like making a frittata...
“You’re going to love this and you’ll go ‘why have I been doing this this different way this whole time?’
Describing it as “very easy, it’s a family favourite”, Meghan adds: “When I make this, I make this for my family.”
When Martin compliments the dish as “so f-g good” at the end of the segment, Meghan nods as he describes the dish as being hearty without being heavy.
‘The new Nigella’
Jones’s recipe was praised by chefs including Jamie Oliver and Nigel Slater, with one reviewer calling her “the new Nigella”.
It has since been made available online.
The recipe instructs home cooks to boil water, chop tomatoes and throw them in the pan with the pasta, grate the zest from lemons and add the boiling water on top before covering with a lid.
Simmer for six minutes, it says, and remove tough stalks from kale or spinach and roughly tear the leaves before adding to the water. When cooked, add parmesan.
The Duchess’s recipe invites viewers to boil water, chop tomatoes, put the pasta on top in a pan and pour boiling water on top before zesting a lemon into it.
Cut chard and kale, let the pasta dish boil for six minutes, and “tear up some of these greens to tier on top of it”.
The Duchess adds rocket, chilli flakes and a basil leaf at the end of her version, which Jones’s does not require.
Xanthe Clay, chef and Telegraph food writer, said Meghan should have credited the chef whose recipe had provided inspiration for her own.
She said that Jones may or may not have invented the one-pot technique but her recipe was the earliest she could find.
“As any food writer knows, it’s dismal to find your hard-won recipe ‘repurposed’ in someone else’s book, web page or TV show. There’s no copyright on the ingredients list (after all, the ingredients for meringues, say, are pretty much set). It’s the wording of the method that belongs’ to the writer, and as Meghan’s isn’t written down she’s probably safe from legal action.

But – and this is a big but – Meghan’s does seem very similar to Anna’s, from ingredients to technique… Not, of course, that I am suggesting that Megs doesn’t come up with her own recipes – after all, her version does include garlic and chilli flakes, unlike Anna’s.
“Still, legal niceties aside, Meghan may not get away with this without a stain on her expensive linen apron. Cookery writer etiquette demands that you acknowledge your sources. That doesn’t need to be an Oscar speech length list of thank yous, just a simple line of gratitude for the inspiration.”
Franceso Mazzei, the chef who helped design King Charles’ and Stanley Tucci’s menu last month to celebrate Anglo-Italian relations at HighGrove, said chefs should generally acknowledge when they are serving a dish that they are replicating from someone else.
“You have to acknowledge the recipe, people will know, it will get back to you”.
Neither Jones, Netflix, nor representatives of the Duchess have commented.

She doesn’t have an original idea in her head. To be fair, there are very few things that are entirely new, but she does seem to have difficulty admitting that someone may have thought of a thing before she did. Hasn’t she been accused of plagerism somewhere along the line?

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