As Ever Part 6: Definitely NOT a trad wife

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Previous thread here: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/5286597-as-ever-part-v-two-stunt-lemons-with-love-meghan

Carry on! Reviews from the US are trickling in, so far, not so good - https://variety.com/2025/tv/reviews/with-love-meghan-markle-netflix-duchess-of-sussex-1236327469/

I was going to say something similar. What is the 'angle' here?

Like I said, baking mixes are a very bad choice of product because everyone knows how cheap and basic the ingredients are. You need something special to justify a huge mark up. There's not even a pretence at being 'socially aware' by saying that some unspecified % will go to 'charity'. As a 'philanthropist', wouldn't that be an obvious angle? Why didn't she invite someone from one of the charities she has 'helped' to visit her on the show? She supposedly delayed the show because of the California fires. Maybe part of the proceeds could go to a relevant organisation?

I think she is obsessed with a stereotypical rich lady lifestyle. "Charity work" only exists to flatter her 'lady bountiful' persona, but she wouldn't want the poors to encroach on her pristine rented kitchen. I think if there is a 'real Meghan' at all, she is a very superficial, very vapid individual.

If you as a monarchist do not subscribe to the view that Harry, is the son of the king, and will remain so as long as the institution exists and Charles remains alive, and will then become the brother of the monarch, then you are more of a Republican then me BigWillyLittleTodger!

Those are what are called inescapable facts.

He can’t help having been born in to that dysfunctional family poor sod, however much he cannot tolerate living within its his folds.

Meh. At least she has done some work for it!

She's positioned herself as a public figure - and more importantly, a political player. She's getting critiqued as anyone in the same position would be, especially when her rank hypocrisy is on full display.

Harry said he’d never seen abuse & hounding like it re: his wife, what she faced was unsurvivable , abuse within his own family.

Meghan and Harry are the most ardent monarchists. Why do they use the titles Prince and Princess for their children? Yes, Harry is the son of the King, but that doesn’t oblige him to align himself with monarchist values. If he can’t tolerate living as a member of the RF, why does he (and his wife) insist on asserting his royal status?

What Harry says and what actually happened are not necessarily the same thing. He is an unreliable narrator of their story.

MaggieMistletoe

I think its Meghan trying to present herself as if she's always been a Duchess.

Absolutely.
There are very few people who could get away with pretending they may never have heard of Zara or eaten fast food.
Anne Tennant managed it; Craig Brown did a biography about Princess Margaret and managed it; Diana (via Andrew Morton) did it...
But vanishly few people these days are brought up withing the of a British upper class family.

People have married in. Which is a good thing and better for the gene pool.

But pretending that Meghan is somehow a dainty, hidden-from-the-outside-world, lay-dee because she eventually snagged a prince after a somewhat racy past is ridiculous.

What are they without it? Nothing.

Harry also said his memory was not exactly reliable. He has also proved that by mis remembering things that are on record as happening. Harry and the truth are only loosely connected

Absolutely they didn’t want to leave and I never understand the half in and half out prohibition tbh.

Charles and William are both running commercial enterprises, the Duchies, each making around £20 million a year! Is that not the very definition of half in and half out?

Except it’s partially under wraps with preferential tax breaks approved by the government; so that’s ok apparently?

Talk about hypocrisy!

Plus, if you're going to lie about stuff, if you're going to lie about people and make money from it, people won't trust you and you'll be criticised.

If that extreme & obvious hard to see how he’d misremember. Surely they’d be staff on their side though if true, impartial witnesses?

I think they’d have been able to get what they wanted in time, playing a longer, quieter game. Don’t the Tindalls do commercial ventures overseas with little rebuke?

The Tindalls are and always have been private citizens. They don't have royal titles or patronages. They do not represent the monarch. Completely different to the 'half in half out' that Harry and Meghan were foolish enough to demand.

Like I said. He has a loose relationship with the truth

What examples did he give of the abuse ?

Let's just speak plainly here!
Meghan lies a lot! , not just silly little lies but huge big damaging lies!
She told lies about our queen, she told lies about our country, she told lies about us ! The people.

Harry is just as bad he wrote an entire book showing that not only that he lied but that he is a delusional drug addict!
He went on a tv show and demonstrated he knew nothing about his country or his family history, he allowed Meghan to tell lies about their position in the monarchy ( only Americans might believe it because obviously they don't have a monarchy!)

Lastly she bullied and treated almost every person she came in contact with Luke crap! And Harry stood by and applauded!

I have no sympathy with either of them ! It's about time someone ( anyone) pulled them up on the lies they told !

He didn’t. It’s the Colbert interview where he’s relaxed & plausible. He believes he really tried to make things work but had no choice.

In a nutshell, yes!

The fact that someone’s worth as a human is elevated by an inherited title is ridiculous to me. Put simply, I believe that every individual has equal and innate value whether they clean floors in a care home or live in a castle. In fact I tend to value the former far more!

But if Monarchists value inherited status and hierarchy then surely they can’t deny that Harry still retains his familial link right at the heart of the RF even though they have removed his HRH title as they did with his mother’s.

I think monarchists want to deny that because it’s far easier for them to accept if H “goes quietly” to use his mother’s words, and doesn’t remain a barnacle on the RF’s side.

Tbh I think that is why there has been quite a coordinated campaign against H & M in the press and certain briefings have been leaked, because however you look at it, the king’s son and the POW’s brother leaving, is quite a body blow to the institution. That’s not just my opinion btw, quite a few royal commentators often quoted on here have said this. It exposed a weak flank. That’s why they have come down so hard on them I think. Because they are all about protecting their own status, wealth and power.

@jeffgoldblum For you with apologies to Hilaire Belloc

(A Modern ) Matilda ( orig. 1907)

Meghan told such Dreadful Lies,
It made one Gasp and Stretch one's Eyes;
Yet we , who, from our Earliest Youth,
Had kept a Strict Regard for Truth,
Attempted to Believe Ms Sussex:
Up until Winfrey and Netflix.

They married in 2018, left in (very early) 2020, and much of the time in between Meghan was on maternity leave. How did they try and make things work in that short amount of time? They wanted to leave pretty much straight away. Not sure what difference it makes that Harry was relaxed as to whether he was telling porkies or not 🤷‍♀️

I think he believes she was treated appallingly & he’s not lying here. If we look at the shooting weekend as evidence she was horrified by his friends toxicity and the environment & company he kept. He’d been blind.

I agree with this actually.

The Tindalls still profit from their royal connections even though they are not working royals.

It doesn’t make any of it right though when the majority of the country are struggling with the cost of living and wages have stagnated.

Excellent! 👏 @BasiliskStare! 🤣