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As Ever #3 As If

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PrettyFlyforaMaiTai · 23/02/2025 22:38

Another thread to discuss the rebranding of ARO and the merchandising of With Love, Meghan

Part 2: www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/5278062-as-ever-2-whatever

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friendlycat · 26/02/2025 13:56

Treeleaf11 · 26/02/2025 13:47

Although I dont see them divorcing unless and until MM has a better offer status/money - but at her stage of life its likley to be a Murdoch, Trump, Onasis type of arrangement as it has always been for many other beautiful older women. I cant see he going for a younger guy - but I may be wrong.

I can't see her bagging an elderly billionaire, her personality is too well known. There are plenty of beautiful women in the world and a small number of single male billionaires she wouldn't stand a chance.

I have to agree.

Ohpleeeease · 26/02/2025 13:57

H and MM are not going to split up in the foreseeable future. They’ve barely been together five minutes and still have enough money to live a very agreeable if meaningless life. This is not a lifelong marriage, one day one of them will look at the other and realise they’ve been sold a dud, but for the time being they both have more than they ever could have dreamed.

User14March · 26/02/2025 13:58

FromThePrismOfJammyTodger · 26/02/2025 13:32

Tyler Perry became Lily's godfather. Not bad for one of those hypocrites who simultaneously hate the royal family, but who revel in being royal adjacent.

I have never understood how anyone other than a dear friend can be a Godparent (?) Ditto the Beckhams & Elton John who I think was new to their lives (?) I can see advantageous but…

User14March · 26/02/2025 13:59

friendlycat · 26/02/2025 13:56

I have to agree.

Jerry Hall did ok for a time but then got too elderly when he could have his pick…

MissRoseDurward · 26/02/2025 14:03

edited to say I seem to have dropped the quote but I think you know who “she” is!

You said pretty much what I was going to say, Ohpleeeease.

People who knew Prince Philip spoke of his huge range of interests and depth of knowledge and how liked to meet and talk with experts. He was ahead of his time in understandng the importance of wildlife conservation, environmental issues, and the need to keep up with technological advances.

User14March · 26/02/2025 14:10

@MissRoseDurward exactly nailed by @Ohpleeeease which is why I scratch my head ar PA.

User14March · 26/02/2025 14:14

With the Billionaire snaring timing is key, Murdoch must be getting tired by now. I think a ruthless girls guide to dating show would go down a storm, one that shows what really goes on in rarefied worlds. I’d love to see a collab with Caroline Stanbury in some context ;) They could ship in USA Julie married to the British aristo etc.

itsjustthewayitwas · 26/02/2025 14:14

mathanxiety · 26/02/2025 02:13

I think you've misinterpreted "modeling a lifestyle". It's not pretense or lack of authenticity. Perhaps "representing a certain type of person" would describe it better.

Portraying yourself enjoying a dignified, secure, middle-class life that you've created for yourself, free from the grind of poverty, and without apology about how far you've come compared to where your ancestors started is a quintessentially American narrative arc that resonates with most of American society, but especially with black Americans.

As far as I can see, the restrained affluence of H&M's home is an element of a visual narrative about who black Americans are and where they belong, that has mirrored the changing fortunes of black people in the US over the last 100+ years.

The look says 'abundance and the expectation of abundance', and it's especially significant as a contrast with the historical experience and portrayal of black people's lives that screamed "not like us" to generations of white audiences - not hard working, not disciplined, incapable of ever improving their lot in life.

The California ranch style furniture and decor and the neutral palette in interior shots of H&M's Montecito home that I've seen are a casually comfortable style, very relatable and accessible to most middle class Americans, including middle class black Americans.

What a representation or modeling of abundance and the expectation of abundance in the home and the California lifestyle of H&M signifies to a black American audience is the overcoming of obstacles deliberately set against it from the earliest days of the colonies. It is an encouraging visual that validates the community's belief in itself and in the possibility of establishing solid, financially secure families and passing on that security to future generations.

Do you think Meghan cares about black American history and how she represents herself in that context really? I don’t.

Weepixie · 26/02/2025 14:16

User14March · 26/02/2025 12:14

@CesarSoubreyon you’re right. Why was Tyler Perry so generous, how well did he know either of them?

I very much doubt he did but once racism has been mentioned there are plenty who fall over themselves be taken in as fast as Usain Bolt ran at the Olympics.

They really are despicable.

FromThePrismOfJammyTodger · 26/02/2025 14:16

User14March · 26/02/2025 13:58

I have never understood how anyone other than a dear friend can be a Godparent (?) Ditto the Beckhams & Elton John who I think was new to their lives (?) I can see advantageous but…

I'm not religious at all, so don't know how this works, but I have known a couple of incidences of, what I would call, "cynical" godparent choices. Childcare help and potential inheritances were a factor, close friendship, not so much.

OSU · 26/02/2025 14:19

Perhaps Tyler fancies Meghan and has his eye on the long game

Mightymoog · 26/02/2025 14:24

Ohpleeeease · 26/02/2025 13:45

What we do know from several Prime Ministers is that in their weekly audiences they were often caught out by her deep knowledge of current affairs and international matters. They knew not to arrive ill informed as she had a handle on everything including matters of some complexity.

And that’s aside from her private interests as a breeder and follower of horse racing.

She wasn’t an intellectual or an academic but she was a woman of intelligence.

edited to say I seem to have dropped the quote but I think you know who “she” is!

Edited

How would anyone know that when the meetings are very strictly confidential and not one word of their conversations has ever been made public?

StrawberryWasp · 26/02/2025 14:25

MaggieMistletoe · 26/02/2025 13:49

Agreed. Hannah from Ballerina Farm would be my American lifestyle crush, if I had to choose such a thing. So although I suppose it technically falls into the 'trad wife' thing, it couldn't be more different really from Meghan's hollow, pretentious, fake existence. I genuinely admire Hannah, although there will always be things to critique about anyone of course. I think her husband is much richer than Harry, but they've more imagination and better values and so have been able to build a much more meaningful and beaitoful life than H&M. I always feel H&M money and opportunities have been so wasted on them, their house and lifestyle is dull, bland, grandiose and unimaginative.

Ballerina farm looks like too much hard work to me!

Maybe I'd go for a lodge on a lake type house? Maybe Montana. Lots of high wooden beams and stone fire places.

I'd work part-time supporting the local charity I'd set up.

Then I'd read lot and walk my dogs around my lake.

This is fun. What would your multi millionaire life style be?

Mine certainly wouldn't be celebrity california trying to sell jam on Instagram.

StrawberryWasp · 26/02/2025 14:28

Mightymoog · 26/02/2025 14:24

How would anyone know that when the meetings are very strictly confidential and not one word of their conversations has ever been made public?

You can say she was always well informed without betraying confidence.
Many prime ministers have said this.

It's not surprising as this was her job and she would have been briefed for the meetings.

You'd expect her to be informed and she was.

IdaGlossop · 26/02/2025 14:30

Ohpleeeease · 26/02/2025 13:45

What we do know from several Prime Ministers is that in their weekly audiences they were often caught out by her deep knowledge of current affairs and international matters. They knew not to arrive ill informed as she had a handle on everything including matters of some complexity.

And that’s aside from her private interests as a breeder and follower of horse racing.

She wasn’t an intellectual or an academic but she was a woman of intelligence.

edited to say I seem to have dropped the quote but I think you know who “she” is!

Edited

We have to remember QEII didn't have a formal education, as was usual for girls of her class and age. She was educated with her sister by governesses and had tuition on the constitution from a master at Eton. I have always thought of her as bright and think it's a shame she didn't have the chance to develop her academic abilities further.

Ohpleeeease · 26/02/2025 14:32

MissRoseDurward · 26/02/2025 14:03

edited to say I seem to have dropped the quote but I think you know who “she” is!

You said pretty much what I was going to say, Ohpleeeease.

People who knew Prince Philip spoke of his huge range of interests and depth of knowledge and how liked to meet and talk with experts. He was ahead of his time in understandng the importance of wildlife conservation, environmental issues, and the need to keep up with technological advances.

Absolutely.

Not perfect, could have been a kinder parent to Charles and and a stronger one to Andrew, but by all accounts the most popular royal to work for which goes a lot in his favour.

Mightymoog · 26/02/2025 14:34

IdaGlossop · 26/02/2025 14:30

We have to remember QEII didn't have a formal education, as was usual for girls of her class and age. She was educated with her sister by governesses and had tuition on the constitution from a master at Eton. I have always thought of her as bright and think it's a shame she didn't have the chance to develop her academic abilities further.

I'm not saying she wasnt bright but unless you knew her personally you have no way of knowing.
all you saw was her having been prepared for whatever it was she was about to do.
And no pm is ever going to say " actually she was a bit thick and her only contribution to our meetings was to alter upcoming laws in her favour.

Ohpleeeease · 26/02/2025 14:35

IdaGlossop · 26/02/2025 14:30

We have to remember QEII didn't have a formal education, as was usual for girls of her class and age. She was educated with her sister by governesses and had tuition on the constitution from a master at Eton. I have always thought of her as bright and think it's a shame she didn't have the chance to develop her academic abilities further.

It’s annoying isn’t it, that the Queen is often described as only averagely intelligent at best. We have no idea what her potential was, or how she might have measured up against her male peers.

Mightymoog · 26/02/2025 14:36

Ohpleeeease · 26/02/2025 14:35

It’s annoying isn’t it, that the Queen is often described as only averagely intelligent at best. We have no idea what her potential was, or how she might have measured up against her male peers.

Or whether she was a bit dim
No way of knowing

User14March · 26/02/2025 14:38

OSU · 26/02/2025 14:19

Perhaps Tyler fancies Meghan and has his eye on the long game

Now that’s an interesting take…

IcedPurple · 26/02/2025 14:40

OSU · 26/02/2025 14:19

Perhaps Tyler fancies Meghan and has his eye on the long game

Meghan is female so probably not.

Ohpleeeease · 26/02/2025 14:40

Mightymoog · 26/02/2025 14:34

I'm not saying she wasnt bright but unless you knew her personally you have no way of knowing.
all you saw was her having been prepared for whatever it was she was about to do.
And no pm is ever going to say " actually she was a bit thick and her only contribution to our meetings was to alter upcoming laws in her favour.

But they said more than that, it’s well documented that her counsel was very much valued by her prime ministers, she was knowledgeable and offered perspectives that helped them greatly, whatever their political stance. So although I personally don’t know, there are enough people who do who say the same.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 26/02/2025 14:55

StrawberryWasp · 26/02/2025 14:28

You can say she was always well informed without betraying confidence.
Many prime ministers have said this.

It's not surprising as this was her job and she would have been briefed for the meetings.

You'd expect her to be informed and she was.

That sounds reasonable to me, StrawberryWasp

Bit of a sidetrack but I once caught some courtier being interviewed, who said that the Queen was a lady who didn't take herself seriously at all - but took her role very seriously indeed

I liked that ... Smile

StrawberryWasp · 26/02/2025 14:55

I agree she might have been dim and we wouldn't have known.
Or the brain of Britain and we wouldn't have known.

Because neither were requirements for her job.

We do know she had the intellectual ability to fulfil the tasks of her job such as those were: be briefed and prepared for many meetings.

What we do know is that she had tremendous strength of character and did her duty.

StrawberryWasp · 26/02/2025 14:57

Puzzledandpissedoff · 26/02/2025 14:55

That sounds reasonable to me, StrawberryWasp

Bit of a sidetrack but I once caught some courtier being interviewed, who said that the Queen was a lady who didn't take herself seriously at all - but took her role very seriously indeed

I liked that ... Smile

Yes I like that too.

She knew her role was very important not her.

M &H are the opposite.

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