As Ever #3 As If

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Another thread to discuss the rebranding of ARO and the merchandising of With Love, Meghan

Part 2: www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/5278062-as-ever-2-whatever

Isn't it. The Royalists who will be fans of Harry and Meghan, no matter what they do.

By all means post something new, but let’s not rehash the same old same old. You’re as free to engage thoughtfully with the discussion as anybody.

Who are the ones that are rehashing about a wedding which took place nearly 7 years ago. I think some posters still can't get over the fact the white prince has left for a new life with his wife who is not a cardboard cutout of the little women that are in the RF. it doesn't mean I agree with what the pair of them have done but it doesn't mean I will spend every waking moment looking for things to criticise them with as some posters on here are doing.

Agreed.

Anyone can post what they like within guidelines. Nobody is entitled to an interaction, though.

Two relatives can share a great many of the same features and still one be conventionally good-looking and the other not. Harry does have a very strong look of his grandfather. But yes, Prince Philip was was exceptionally good looking in his youth wheras Harry was only ever average, if that, and now is far below average for his age. Although I suspect his embarrassingly poor character, lack of admirable traits/achievements and permenant scowl/morose expresssion, renders him even less attractive than he really is.

What does it matter to you how people spend their time or comment on, @stillclueless . You could say that about any topics on MN. Post or don't post, your choice.
However, don't attribute this to racism. That's been discussed and refuted many, many times.

@mathanxiety thanks for that measured post. I understand what you are saying. I wonder if this is behind Meghan's obvious need to be in the limelight.

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I dont know that “talent” is at all relevant anyway. They aren't in a job, they’re in a constitutional position, they go where they’re pointed. Other people are responsible for making the best use of them in terms of what they can offer.

But that’s for another thread…

Indeed!

What I'm curious about is, if you have such a long documented history of bullying, being unable to keep friends or even family relationships long-term. Being 'the meanest person I've ever worked with', leaving people sobbing at their desks etc.. how does that not affect how you are with your spouse and, as they get older, your children? If you have always been cut-throat, vindictive, vengeful, out for no.1, manipulative, lying etc then those synaps are wired into your brain pretty strongly, false charm and fakery won't be able to cut it when it comes to intimate life day in, day out. Surely Harry must've been on the recieving end of some foulness by now?

No - speaking personally (I can't speak for others on here) I cannot stand to see 2 horrible, spiteful hypocrites preening themselves on a global stage and not taking ownership for their behaviour.

They are constantly, constantly pushing themselves forward into the limelight. They want to be public figures, yet witter on about privacy. They are ridiculous and I will treat them like the low-brow soap opera they are!

So there. Nothing to do with white princes or 'cardboard cutout' women, as you so charmingly put it!

@MaggieMistletoe not if still in ‘kiss up’ phase?

If really like this & not genuinely in love (as we’d hope) she’ll surely move on if current strategy fails. She’ll have to as extreme £ will be needed for all status she values.

stillclueless · Today 08:40
What talent do the RF have then being born or married into the family that really requires a lot of talent.

Talent 😂

The RF have a constitutional and ceremonial role. They don't need to have 'talent', or even charisma. They need to do their prep, turn up in the right gear, say the right things and do it all with dignity. They aren't there to bowl people over with their personality.

This is something people like Omid Scobie, so in the thrall of celebrity culture, never get. The RF are there to highlight the work of other people and make them feel noticed and appreciated, not to stand and drivel on about themselves for hours at a time, which is the "talent" of many celebrities who have nothing more interesting going on underneath.

Its the ability to 'kiss up, kick down' Narcs spend just as mush effort charming and schmooszing (ie manipulating) those that they need - they wear a mask to lovebomb so some chosen ones will only know her performative charisma.

PH has seen lots of her appalling behaviour and we know he has defended it throughout - even impressed by it - he's the classic enabler.....as was described in The Hollywood Reporter investigation of Meghans bullying of colleagues/staff. It was the main issue at BP and the conflict with PW.

And yes as a Narc parent there will be problems as there is always the idealise, devalue and discard cycle going on - children are required to be an extension of the parent, beautiful, clever, perfect - then they are burdened with either the role of the golden child, the scapegoat (as per adult relationships lovebombed or blamed) or ignored. Sounds like MM is in the idealising phase with her DCs and has high expectations of them - the nonsense quote about creative kids was said in Aug 22 when Lili was about 12 weeks old.

And yes as a Narc parent there will be problems as there is always the idealise, devalue and discard cycle going on - children are required to be an extension of the parent, beautiful, clever, perfect - then they are burdened with either the role of the golden child, the scapegoat (as per adult relationships lovebombed or blamed) or ignored. Sounds like MM is in the idealising phase with her DCs and has high expectations of them - the nonsense quote about creative kids was said in Aug 22 when Lili was about 12 weeks old.

I think there are already signs that Archie is being somewhat dismissed and Lili is the golden child with her “blue blue eyes” etc

Yes, @smilesy , that little giveaway in their Netflix special always stood out for me. Along with Harry on Colbert going on about the triumph of his ginger genes over Meghan's in Lily's colouring. I think the cult of Diana is so strong and ever present in H&M that poor Lili will have no choice but to cos play the grandmother she never met.

Surely Harry must've been on the recieving end of some foulness by now?

Yes, he has and publicly too, there are plenty of examples of how she demeans him and diminishes him.

@IcedPurple & @User14March re their worth (financial) Mos, estimates I have read are up to about £60m . which in any normal context is huge . It' not Gwyneth Paltrow or Beckham money though , let alone Oprah.

Who really knows though.

Surely Harry must've been on the recieving end of some foulness by now?

And to add to what Thedom says, I'm afraid I've seen this kind of situation at first hand. A narcissistic and very difficult person (who happens to be physically drop-dead gorgeous) is indulged to the nth degree by her adoring partner, to the bafflement and frustration of everyone else.

It's summed up perfectly in the 'What Meghan wants, Meghan gets' uttered by Harry when some horrid, mean flunky was stopping her getting the tiara she wanted. (being the formidable and very professional Angela Kelly!!).

If you've experienced this kind of behaviour IRL you don't need much convincing that Harry must just adore Meghan, whatever she does to him or anyone else. It's really frustrating for the rest of us who have to play do different rules in life! She's certainly cast a spell of some kind.

I don't think it's going to be easy for her if she grows up into a clone of Diana or the total opposite.

I know exactly what you mean, the man often ends up isolated from friends & smugly convinces himself over time others are simply jealous with their workaday, fat, plain, less charismatic wives.

Try being the daughter of an ageing narc beauty, or even a narc beauty especially an indulged one. IME it doesn’t end well.

Yes assuming that others are triggered by 'jealousy' rather than bad behaviour is another Narc trait. Think PH has alluded to this re the RF?

Try being the daughter of an ageing narc beauty, or even a narc beauty especially an indulged one. IME it doesn’t end well.

Never truer words spoken. I was fortunate to have the moderating influence of my grandmother who had been a bona fide stunner in her youth but was never less than complimentary and supportive even when I was going through less than gorgeous patchs (to put it mildly)

Mum OTOH, mixture of anger that I was not shining properly as her "reflection" and jealousy when I did.