As Ever #3 As If

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Another thread to discuss the rebranding of ARO and the merchandising of With Love, Meghan

Part 2: www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/5278062-as-ever-2-whatever

The "surviving not thriving" comment was preceded pre-Harry with one of her The Tig comments about how poverty (and her so called philanthropic work, which was really just pay to play profile raising) and red carpets "must" co-exist in her life. As ever, it's all about her.

I wonder will she do any late night shows next week, didn't Harry do Colbert, (who hates the RF(, so that would work for her. She definitely will only do the ones who will fawn over her, morning news with Gayle ?

What do you think the chances are that she will make a 'surprise' appearance on one or two shows.

She'll only go on shows where she'll be fawned on. Like Ellen, where she can repeat ridiculous stories and not face any kind of questioning.

Totally agree. They will never willingly put themselves forward for any kind of scrutiny - they clearly expect interviewers to be absolutely compliant and deferential. Harry feels entitled to this because of his protected royal background and Meghan just cannot take criticism of any kind. It would be marvellous to see them put under real pressure by someone like Jane Pauley!

But hasn't Meghan got the nous to realise that you don't alienate the interviewer, or the producer? It's the old Aesop's fable of the sun and the wind - you get much further with people by kindness than by aggression and unreasonable demands. She has very poor 'people skills' despite the warm, huggy claims.

Sheku Kanneh-Mason, the cellist, tells the story of Meghan phoning him up in person to ask him to play. But I guess it might well have been Charles's idea, he's obviously very inclusive and also a cellist himself.

Yes, Charles planned all the music, researching and booking the musicians and soloists. It's nice that she rang him in person, though.
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Well call me sour on a wet Wednesday morning but that sounds like the easy bit. Charles did all the actual work!

Thank you. Enclaves of the ‘successful’ south will tell you with some pride that their children are reflections of themselves. The most beautiful girl gets the Quarterback from the old money family like the Buchanans in Great Gatsby. You can only join the ‘best’ sorority if your family have money, status & you’re conventionally attractive - yes, really, despite what’s said - ‘of course she was most welcome in Alpha, Alpha but she decided she’d be more comfortable in Gamma Gamma Loser’. Taylor Swift felt it I think ‘a monster on the hill’ ‘I’m on the bleachers’ despite being middle class even. Did the ‘daughters of Gwyneth’ types at Sacred Heart etc make Meghan feel less than. Racist words were used against her mother & this explains some of what we see.

In M’s defence IF you’ve ever felt fat, plain, gawky, poor & outsider in this environment & suddenly have a hugely winning hand an ‘I’ll show them’ attitude can prevail. Like a poor kid from a comp in 70s/80s at a top Oxbridge college, if you later get a chance revenge is sometimes a dish best served very cold. Thinking of the student Boris allegedly destroyed who’d come for an interview whose ‘people’ were mechanics.

If you’re a winner in this toxic system people are very kind & life is very sweet. Trad wife with a black Amex & husband who genuinely worships every hair on head, who wouldn’t be tempted if only for a bit? What M might miss is rather than just living well the best ‘revenge’ is genuine altruism & using your resources to make a genuine difference in area you care about.

Many African Americans, particularly women, have worked hard and shown incredible determination and resilience. They have succeeded on their own merits, against significant odds. They have proven themselves in law, business and politics.
Not because they married a white prince.

With regard to the marketing of the children dont all famous celebrities do this. The RF are no exception they bring out the children when they want good PR. Before we hear the squealing from the royalists that they have a public role they will only have this when they reach 18.

Noone knows how much money they have, but I very much doubt it's anywhere near that much. Where could it have come from?

No.

The 'celebrities' who 'market' their children tend to be of the Kardashian type. Those with talent rarely need to do this. There are lots of celebrities who I didn't even know had children at all until I happened to read it somewhere.

And the 'royalists' thing is tiresome, but if you're going to grow up to have a public role, like George and to a lesser extent his siblings, then it makes sense to introduce the children to public life gradually from an early age. They are only seen at events appropriate to their age, and then only occasionally, so what's the problem?

@IcedPurple I don’t know. My source podcast ref upthread so not a solid one, the numbers mooted for the book deal plus were much higher than I’d imagined & a thought Netflix bonkers for paying so much.

The royalists who "squeal" (sic) the most on here are the supporters of Harry and Meghan, who seem to be admired for their titles, their privilege and status, not their actions. Which the fans defend to risible levels.

What talent do the RF have then being born or married into the family that really requires a lot of talent.

NF didn't 'pay so much'.

A source told VF that the deal was not worth the rumoured amount, and even if it had been on paper, NF don't just 'pay' people on the signing of a contract. That's not how they work. There will have been all sorts of conditions attached, and given how poorly the Sussexes have delivered on the contract, they'll probably have seen only relatively small amounts.

Harry will have made a lot from 'Spare' but that's a one off. It's hard to see where big money can come from going forward.

I'm sensing a derail attempt in progress.

@IcedPurple & with H I am reminded of an aristo contact who said ‘if they knew how much money we REALLY had they’d be a revolution’. Their kids routinely get 6 figure jobs answering the phone in investment banks & as ‘consultants’ for the UHNW & that’s not the Trust fund. I think Charles feels very guilty re: Harry & has bent over backwards & he’s soft.

I disagree about Charles but we've already had that discussion.

None of what you describe would amount to hundreds of millions.

Jesus Christ more of this.

Thread after thread after thread about a woman you cannot stand who is very easily ignored if one simply doesn’t read trash. Now even rumours about who called whom to perform at a wedding years ago are a reason to drag her.

At some point surely mumsnet has to ask itself why this particular woman sparks such high volume vitriol compared
to other members of the royal family, other celebrities and even actual criminals.

Please let's not indulge the derailers!

It's very boring now.

Fair enough. If so, they’re in a spot.

No-one is squealing except you. Clueless.

Royal children appearing in public is as much for their benefit as anyone else’s, if they’re to have a public role. It helps everyone acclimatise. But since nobody mentioned them, let’s move on.

Not all famous celebrities wheel out their children. In fact, most don’t. The few that do get thrust under the public gaze tend to suffer for it, often because they later go off the rails and their downfall is documented.

You would think that this would be uppermost in the Mountbatten-Windsors’s thoughts, given Harry’s aversion to camera clicks.

Sorry @IcedPurple , cross posted. My iPad is glacially slow reloading.

None. However, most of them are sensible enough to realise what the deal is, and understand loyalty and public service. Not making money by trading on the privacy of loved ones. Not damaging others. Not going on quasi royal tours for personal gain rather than at the request of HM Government as part of diplomacy.

If posters aren't being critical then you are getting bored. This is a discussion forum and we are all entitled to post not just you and your mates.