How will the Royal Family end?

[JoyousGreyOrca]

The Royal Family will end. Not yet obviously. But within the next generation.

People often assume institutions like this fall slowly and gradually. We see a bit of that already happening with the reduction in "working" Royals, far less favourable poll results than when Queen Elizabeth reigned, and the willingness of the media to be more critical of the Royal Family.

I have seen people commenting assuming this means the Royal family will end soon. I think they misunderstand what is happening.

But society is changing and the deference that Queen Elizabeth attracted can no longer be taken for granted. Colonies are no longer happy for the Royals to carry out cosplay colonial tours on their soil, and increasingly they will remove the King as their Head of State. But I think when the end comes it will be sudden and unexpected. Similar to the fall of the Soviet Union. A clear weakening of the institution, but then a sudden, and shocking fall.

The aftermath will be very messy though as the Royal family try and fight for as much of the states wealth as they can, using the courts if they need to.

Can I ask how?

But how? Are you in line for the throne and don’t want the top job?!

I am quite curious the other way - there are always the same posters on this thread diligently defending William and Kate and painstakingly talking about how hard it is for them to prepare for an engagement a week and how they are really busy and their foundation will eventually reap rewards in 20 years. Why? What's in it for you? Why do you like them so much?

Still waiting for the KPIs @JoyousGreyOrca ....

@MrsLeonFarrell no one cares really 😂😂😂😂

I support the system of constitutional monarchy.

That is what is in it for me, a system that I believe brings stability to the country. The individuals; good, bad or ugly, are secondary to the system for me.

I had no idea you had asked me to draw them up. I did off the cuff suggest a few, but of course it would take time to draw them up properly.

Same for me.

I didn't really have you in mind here as you don't do as much personal defence of W and K

Not really. As I say she was universally disliked from what I know. And she has not expertise to speak of.

@JoyousGreyOrca as this is your thread and you brought up the KPIs I thought you must already have an idea ? We've plenty of time to wait 😂😂

I must have missed the off the cuff ones. Can you recap please?

Oh wait I saw it -

"Maybe the Royals should have KPIs to meet, like most of us do. For example, amount of additional funding raised for charities. Increase in number of people contacting a charity for help after a Royal visit."

Is that it ? Not exactly one that is immune to the disastrous economy we are suffering from currently.

@dorathexplorer Sorry I have not produced a table of SMART KPIs to assess the effectiveness of the Royal family.

So our new head of state has to have expertise? In what field(s)? Does that mean that ordinary working people are excluded from the running?

No. I didn't say that. And what's the point in discussing the for and against of Carrie Johnson.

I tend to jump in and defend some of the projects - like Earthshot - when there's some of the posters who hate on everything K&W do because they dislike them so intensely that anything they do is seen as awful.

It's not so much that I like them so much, more it's odd that they seem to be the target by two different groups and get a lot more unfair criticism - horrible insults about their personalities and their appearance etc - by two distinct groups of posters on here:

The Sussex crew who seem to want it to be a competition between the two couples and you have to bring one down to raise the other up, and some of the more bitter republicans who I suspect fear that there's no hope for a republic with how popular the Waleses are, and so try to bring them down in the hope of damaging the potential popularity of the next two monarchs.

You said she was universally disliked AND that she has no expertise to speak of. Two disqualifying qualities. Which makes me think that, for you, the two (or two of ) the qualifying qualities for a head of state will be likability and expertise in a particular field. Which is why I asked the question. I'm not interested in Carrie Johnson, just on whether there will be a particular set of rules about who can be head of state. Or is it any blighter, as with our MPs?

It’s even more hilarious that the pro-royal toadie position is invariably ‘Think of someone awful being an elected HoS!’

I agree. I don't think anyone of us can actually accurately judge how hard-working or not any of them are. It seems lazy in itself to declare Anne the hardest working royal just because she shows her face most often.

just on whether there will be a particular set of rules about who can be head of state.

Who knows! I'm not setting the rules who would be eligible and who wouldn't!

Well it happened in the US, so why not here? And your argument's (or lack of it) on shaky ground when you use words like 'toadie' to boost your position.

wordler

Why has everyone who has criticism of the royal family or indeed questioning of them have to be part of sussex squad?

Exactly! We've had Jimmy Savile and Carrie Johnson! Blimey!

I can understand how it developed - there was a period of time with the civil list when those on the list got a specific annual 'salary' paid to them to cover their working expenses - no matter what they did or how many engagements they turned up for. So it would have been natural to monitor who was doing what and how much.

In the new system the sovereign grant doesn't get paid to individuals - they get their expenses covered by it when the expenses occur on engagements. Money left over as surplus goes into a special account managed by the government and if the surplus gets too high then the Sovereign Grant will be reduced the following year. So if someone does 100 engagements the Grant covers 100 engagements, if they do 50 it covers 50. The tax payer paying for the 50 they didn't do.

Charles uses his Duchy of Lancaster to fund anything else the senior royals might need so as the 'boss' I guess he gets to do performance reviews and reward or not.