How will the Royal Family end?

[JoyousGreyOrca]

The Royal Family will end. Not yet obviously. But within the next generation.

People often assume institutions like this fall slowly and gradually. We see a bit of that already happening with the reduction in "working" Royals, far less favourable poll results than when Queen Elizabeth reigned, and the willingness of the media to be more critical of the Royal Family.

I have seen people commenting assuming this means the Royal family will end soon. I think they misunderstand what is happening.

But society is changing and the deference that Queen Elizabeth attracted can no longer be taken for granted. Colonies are no longer happy for the Royals to carry out cosplay colonial tours on their soil, and increasingly they will remove the King as their Head of State. But I think when the end comes it will be sudden and unexpected. Similar to the fall of the Soviet Union. A clear weakening of the institution, but then a sudden, and shocking fall.

The aftermath will be very messy though as the Royal family try and fight for as much of the states wealth as they can, using the courts if they need to.

Although the introduction of KPIs would bring the Monarchy down. There is no way they would meet them or demonstrate their worth.

The problem is that not everyone can be measured / assessed in that way. It's not about selling x amount of jars of jam as opposed to y last year. It's like schools - how do you REALLY measure the success of a teacher? How do you assess value gained in a child ? It's impossible to isolate those factors other than in very simplistic terms which in turn are then meaningless.

Except teachers are assessed and have targets to meet. They are expected to add value to childrens predicted results.

I really doubt it would. Not everything can be measured in value for money. In a constitutional monarchy there are far more complex equations involved than simple addition and subtraction. A lot of their value is hard to quantify. Soft power, for example, is real but I am not sure how you put a monetary value on it and in the end not everything comes down to money.

Yes we know that but what the poster was saying was that in practice it is very difficult to quantify “added value”. It doesn’t necessarily relate to results

To answer the thread title. I believe the monarchy is far more likely to end because the family decide it is simply too much stress to continue rather than being voted out. At least in the short to medium term I believe Brexit has made the country wary about large systemic change.

You're very funny. According to you, everything is going to bring the monarchy down.

Yep ! 😆

No. Simply a number of things will weaken the monarchy.

Alright randy andy, calm down

@JoyousGreyOrca you didn't seem to understand my post.

I said trying to assess teachers is bollocks because it is impossible to do due to so many unseens, variables and things that cannot be quantified. Yes they may TRY to do so but realistically they can't. It's a pretence / the same as it would be for many people including the RF.

Surely history has shown us that the monarchy is constantly being weakened by various things but the pendulum swings and they regain popularity.

How do you assess a nurse @JoyousGreyOrca ? Give them 5 patients and see if they survive ? Ok I will have the 5 with minor cuts on their legs and you can have the two with heart failure and the three with pulmonary embolisms ? 🙄

What KPIs would you set ?

Nothing will weaken it from within we've had abdication, multiple divorces and a tragic death.

It will only weaken when the population continues to change and demands a Republic. Not in our lifetime though.

Teams are assessed. How many people recover from certain staged heart attacks, rates of MRSA, etc. Teams and hospitals are very rigorously assessed.
I was not suggesting having individual measurements for each Royal, but for the team as a whole.

Abdication, divorces and tragic deaths are never going to end the Monarchy. Indifference will, followed by a crisis.

I agree with this, I remember at the time of the Mother’s Day debacle and the where is Kate worldwide hysteria that I wouldn’t blame them one bit for throwing in the towel and just go off and live their billionaire lives in peace.

Out of interest @JoyousGreyOrca why is the UK becoming a republic so important to you? Would your life or your children’s lives change if we had President Carrie Johnson for example rather than King William?

That's interesting but I just don't think the pendulum will swing back. It might not get worse but not sure it will ever again be like it was in the royals heyday.. Seeing a 46% rise in the Sovereign Grant with less doing royal duties, anger at that and a dose of apathy will be what changes things.

Why on earth would she be a President. She was universally disliked from what I know.

But the rise is because of the way it is calculated. If public opinion grows against that it will be recalculated. That's what happened to encourage the late Queen to start paying tax.

The monarchy takes the long view always. There is a line in The Crown that ran "the crown must always win" i think they survive by looking at timescales that are way beyond those of celebrities and politicians. They have time on their side and can bend with the wind, alter course slowly and steadily and survive. It's fascinating to think about monarchy in terms of a thousand years of history rather than just the current crop.

And to be fair to them most of the aristocratic families that still have money, operate in the exactly the same way.

@BigWillyLittleTodger Yes my life would be improved by the abolition of the Royal family.

Wtf........

'Yes my life would be improved by the abolition of the Royal family.'

How?

Don’t know why you are so incredulous, that’s what you so desperately want isn’t it? the freedom for any citizen to be able to run for President? I’m sure if Carrie Johnson chose to run she would have the financial backers to get her in the running and some excellent PR gurus. It does make me laugh when you put names forward and republicans get so affronted at the very thought of someone they don’t like being President 😂 the cognitive dissonance!